Genuine Last Crusade Jacket Pics

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:16 pm

I came across these detailed pics of the genuine Last Crusade jacket that was auctioned-off by Profiles In History for $94,400

I hope that the Mods will relax the 6 pic limit on these... I think that these detailed leather jacket pics are the essence of what this forum is all about...

I have not seen these posted here... If I have missed them somehow, LMK, and I will edit this post...

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:25 pm

I know that jacket's been often identified as the Crusade jacket (likely even at the auction), but it's not the hero jacket from the film. You can tell even by only looking at the collar stand and button configuration (not to mention the cheesy distressing job).

SD

GCR · Post by **GCR** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:28 pm

I could be wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere before that this jacket was actually a fraud. It certainly looks a bit suspicious to me, anyway.

By the way, I'm not trying to detract from your thread or anything, just figured I'd give you the FYI on this jacket. These are still great pics, and if I am wrong and this jacket IS the real deal, all the better that you posted them here. Thanks for that.

-GCR

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:37 pm

GCR wrote:I could be wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere before that this jacket was actually a fraud. It certainly looks a bit suspicious to me, anyway.

By the way, I'm not trying to detract from your thread or anything, just figured I'd give you the FYI on this jacket. These are still great pics, and if I am wrong and this jacket IS the real deal, all the better that you posted them here. Thanks for that.

-GCR

No, not at all... I would like to know about it..

I would also like to know if the winning bidder got their $94,400 back if the jacket was indeed a fraud....

Maybe one of the forum jacket experts will chime-in to give the "genuine" low-down...

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:28 pm

St. Dumas wrote:I know that jacket's been often identified as the Crusade jacket (likely even at the auction), but it's not the hero jacket from the film. You can tell even by only looking at the collar stand and button configuration (not to mention the cheesy distressing job).

SD

I don't know.... Look at the "cheesy distressing job" around the seams and pocket flaps in these screen grabs: It is possible that some shoe polish or something was used on the distressed areas, and wore off, leaving the raw look in the auction pics....

Kaplan · Post by **Kaplan** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:36 pm

viewtopic.php?t=17307&highlight=crusade

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:53 pm

Kaplan wrote:viewtopic.php?t=17307&highlight=crusade

Very good...

This has been discussed before. Good topic Kaplan... It's funny that I had the same pics of the seams already stored from my scalloped pocket flap post that were discussed in your thread...

Anyhow.... there was no mention of the jacket being a fraud in your post. Have you come up with any further info, or is it safe to assume that the auction pics are the genuine article?

EDIT: If no one minds, I think I will leave this post go for a while... It seems that there are a few like me that have not seen these pics before, and it makes for just as good discussion as when Kaplan posted about it last year.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:04 pm

There is one tell missing on the auction jacket that is evident on the pics from the film that you posted. The jacket's left pocket flap (Ford's right) has a distinct lighter line/area corresponding with the pocket underneath. The auction jacket is unmarked in this area. It may very well be a jacket from LC just not that one. There's been discussion here in the past that this auction jacket may have been worked on after filming to make it appear more distressed.

Afterall most accounts put 10 jackets or more in Raiders, the may be the same or more for LC.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:02 pm

It's not even close to being a Crusade film jacket. The collar stand on the film jacket was taller, and made of leather, not cloth. This is what gives it the look of a much larger collar than in the other films. The seam joining the collar to the stand is actually visible on the top/front of the collar as it folds over: that wouldn't be possible if the inside of the collar stand was made of cloth, like in the photo. What's more, the button snaps on the film jacket are below the collar stand, not on the collar stand like the one in the pics.

It's all in the collar.

SD

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:02 pm

It oculd be that this one is simply a stunt jacket...Perhaps when Indy went into the drink after obtaining the cross of coronado..

Coronado3

Captain Ron Solo · Post by **Captain Ron Solo** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:06 am

Since seeing the original thread on this topic, I have always thought that the funky jacket was used mainly for this scene:

The seams look fairly overdone to me.

JKL
Ron

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:55 am

You might very well be right about that, Solo. A scene-specific jacket would still technically be a jacket used in the film, so the description of it at the auction may have been accurate after all, albeit probably misleading.

Good call.

SD

CM · Post by CM » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:47 am

It's a bloody terrible looking jacket alright. Stunt jacket? Maybe. The tank scene does seem a likely candidate. Notice the inside pocket - a Wested type facing. Maybe it was one of Peter's experiments as he tried to remember the original design back in the late 1980's....

djd · Post by **djd** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:04 am

Not sure it's a terrible jacket so much as a dumb distressing job! What jacket wears around the seams like that? Sure seams get worn, but not all around to that degree. Silly

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:01 pm

Here is a question...is that what a bermans and nathan's tag looks like?

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:09 pm

EDIT: What I posted before about the collar snap in this picture: viewtopic.php?t=21563.. being on the collar stand looks different to me now that I stared at it awhile....

Any opinions on where the snap is located in that pic?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:37 pm

The female part of the snap is on the storm flap it also has a visible cover on the outside of the storm flap in the shot from the Charlemagne scene.

The Auction jacket does not have the cover on the outside, the female part has become detached from the stormflap and is attached to the male part on the other side of the jacket.

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:56 pm

Looks like the arm sleeve seam is 1'' inch lower than the yoke, like in Raiders.
Plus, look at the two shades of brown...the color of the back versus a lighter brown/reddish tone towards the front of the jacket...

Indiana Max · Post by **Indiana Max** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:36 pm

Screen accurate or not, that is one of my favorite jackets all over

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:59 pm

_ wrote:Anybody notice the inside pocket is on the wrong side?

Yeah, I noticed that too. In fact, I had my Wested beside me when viewing this thread and I had to look at my jacket to be sure,

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:03 pm

_ wrote:Anybody notice the inside pocket is on the wrong side?

Do you know anything conclusive about the authenticity of this jacket _? I was hoping someone knowledgeable regarding it would stop by...

I could not find any info online about it being a fraud... But then again, if I dropped 94 GRAND on a jacket that turned out to be a fake, I probably would not scream to the media about it.

The auction house, yes.... Media... No...

BTW... If you search under "Indiana Jones Jacket "on the popular site by the bay,...

you will find an "original" LC jacket... The guy says he can get 1000,000.00 dollars for it, but he is a reasonable person....

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:37 pm

Thanks for the info _.

So, we have a jacket with good provenance... I wonder if any info was included to point where / when it appeared on film?

Even if I HAD 94 grand to throw-around, I would at least like to be able to roll LC in my home theater, and be able to point at the scene(s) saying, "Yep, there it is!"....

Hmmmm... I wonder if the Tux I wore in "Broadcast News" during the scene where Holly Hunter went down the escalator is worth anything?...

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:25 pm

So the purchaser shelled out $94K for a back-up jacket that was never onscreen, has considerable design departures from the Crusade hero jacket and was artificially distressed well after the film left theatres.

Having had access to the paperwork, that purchaser got what he wanted: a jacket he could say was from the Last Crusade costume collection that was donated by Lucasfilm and put on display at the Smithsonian.

SD

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:49 pm

Well, yeah. Like YOU pointed out....the inside pocket is on the wrong side.

Regards! Michaelson

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:50 pm

Actually, the only point I was trying to make was that we now know what is the exact price of bragging rights to owning an "official Lucasfilm-issued Last Crusade film jacket". (Likely chump change to the purchaser.)

SD