Do FS and/or US Wings put leather facing behind the zips on the inside of the jacket lining ? I know FS shouldn't since it's supposedly based on a film used jacket, but haven't actually handled one.. also, what about US Wings?
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Leather facing behind the zips..
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I believe they do, though....-
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My U.S Wings imported goatskin does have facings behind the zipper....
EDIT: I meant that it does have the facings...
EDIT: I meant that it does have the facings...
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AWWW, I don't care for the facing behind the zips at all, I'd much rather not have it there (no offense or anything, just person preference). And I'm on the verge (was at least) of buying one of the US Wings in Antiqued Lambskin.
This is another reason I can't really agree with many who say that the US Wings is the best ToD jacket on the market :
-pockets look way too big to me,
-back panel is squared off and don't extent out to where they should,
-Collar tips aren't as round as the should be,
-There is leather facing behind the zips. This is a big one IMHO, because in the movie (ToD) the zips fold back on itself throughout to reveal the lining. It's a sloppy look maybe but that's the way it is in the film and also what I prefer actually.
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This is another reason I can't really agree with many who say that the US Wings is the best ToD jacket on the market :
-pockets look way too big to me,
-back panel is squared off and don't extent out to where they should,
-Collar tips aren't as round as the should be,
-There is leather facing behind the zips. This is a big one IMHO, because in the movie (ToD) the zips fold back on itself throughout to reveal the lining. It's a sloppy look maybe but that's the way it is in the film and also what I prefer actually.
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The 2 inches or so of leather running the length of the zipper, on both sides, on the inside of the jacket. FS doesn't have this, but Wested and USWings does. It does help with keeping the liner from getting caught in the zip, as Michaelson stated. My brand new FS also has some slight "liner creep" poking around the zipper, exposing the liner so it is seen from outside the jacket. Bothers me, actually. About the only thing that does, on my F.S.Cowboy wrote:What in the Devil does this "Leather Faced" zipper reffering to?
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EDIT: AND, what Michaelson wrote above. Beat me to the punch, lol.
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Leather zipper facings are a good feature designed to improve the performance of a leather jacket. The original Army/Airforce leather pilot jacket (the A-2) did not have facings. A few years after the A-2 came along, the Navy invented their leather pilot jacket (the G-1). It had the leather facings along with a bunch of other improvements over the A-2. Wings most likely added the facings because it makes for a better jacket. They didn’t realize they were breaking the hearts of fanboys all over the world. 
True, it may make the zipper not get hung up but I certainly agree that it stiffens up the zipper area and to me it takes away (some of) that rogue quality.. the slouchy look at the end of TOD or the Raven Bar sceen where the jacket is slightly zipped and popped open with Demon roll at the top half. I've owned two Westeds that didn't have it, both older ones that did not have the Facing and I've never snagged the lining with the zipper, least not significantly on either. To me it's a stray from originallity that should not have been made standard.
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Hey, just another brother in arms, my friend....a brother in arms! 
Just an observation from personal experience with both types...for an outdoors use jacket, the added facings do indeed add more strength to the jacket in my opinion. But that said, you're also talking about an addition 2 inch wide by around 3 foot long extra strip of leather on each side of the zipper, adding a bit more bulk and physical weight to the jacket.
If you're an 'urban adventurer' (like I am most the time), you'll find that a jacket with the facing tends to fold up into a larger 'package' when being stored in a restaurant booth, where one with out the facing takes a lot less space due to the reduced amount of material.
Probably totally useless information, but there it is for you amusement.
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Just an observation from personal experience with both types...for an outdoors use jacket, the added facings do indeed add more strength to the jacket in my opinion. But that said, you're also talking about an addition 2 inch wide by around 3 foot long extra strip of leather on each side of the zipper, adding a bit more bulk and physical weight to the jacket.
If you're an 'urban adventurer' (like I am most the time), you'll find that a jacket with the facing tends to fold up into a larger 'package' when being stored in a restaurant booth, where one with out the facing takes a lot less space due to the reduced amount of material.
Probably totally useless information, but there it is for you amusement.
HIGH regards! Michaelson
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Right, I've heard that before, and that's fine and I'm sure alot of folks wouldn't mind or even notice for that matter.. but I think you'd agree that it shouldn't be standard, only an option right? Unless you're not claiming to be using original patterns or an original screen used jacket. 
LOL, I just thought of something - I'm sure there will be a barrage of screen caps to come showing leather faceing through-out the movies-- that I've always missed.
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LOL, I just thought of something - I'm sure there will be a barrage of screen caps to come showing leather faceing through-out the movies-- that I've always missed.Doug C
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Especially since it's inside the jacket. Out of sight, out of mind, I always say.agent5 wrote:The answer to me is simple. If you want a screen accurate jacket, you don't want the facing. However, seeing it's better for the jacket, if you don't care so much about screen accuracy, then you definitely want it added.
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Guys don't get peaved at me or anything but I disagree. I don't think it's so much better for the jacket as the extra weight effects the drape especially on heavier leathers (non-lambskin) and it's also not exactly out of site, out of mind either..look at TOD, in most sceens you see the exposed inner linning where we now have leather, particularly the final village sceens. Plus the lack of faceing just makes the jacket feel much lighter and "wind-breaker" like, if only mentally so.
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I have a lambskin Wested without facing and a cowhide Wested with facing. The lambskin has a satin lining and the cow cotton.
I prefer the lambskin hands down, it's softer more comfortable and far lighter.
I like the cowhide but it feels like it's lined with lead. The facing seems to stop the zipper side from wobbling, but to be honest I've probably not worn it more than an hour or two. I don't notice a great deal of difference in how the front of the jacket feels, it may be the whole "my god this jacket is heavy" thing throwing me off.
This is only my experience, my next jacket will probably not have facing, and it wont be cow either. I may stay with the cotton lining, it is harder wearing.
I prefer the lambskin hands down, it's softer more comfortable and far lighter.
I like the cowhide but it feels like it's lined with lead. The facing seems to stop the zipper side from wobbling, but to be honest I've probably not worn it more than an hour or two. I don't notice a great deal of difference in how the front of the jacket feels, it may be the whole "my god this jacket is heavy" thing throwing me off.
This is only my experience, my next jacket will probably not have facing, and it wont be cow either. I may stay with the cotton lining, it is harder wearing.
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i agree with KT. jackets that have the facings feel bulky and heavy. they do not drape very well and they don't move with you well at all. this is all personal taste mind you. those on the other side of the spectrum will say that non-facing jackets have sloppy zippers, the potential for the liner to get eaten in the zipper teeth and aren't warm enough.
but if i wanted something practical with the leather facings, i wouldn't want an indy jacket....i'd buy something else.
but if i wanted something practical with the leather facings, i wouldn't want an indy jacket....i'd buy something else.
I know they aren't SA, but I like 'em, they're practical. I hate getting my lining caught in my zip. There's only one thing worse than than getting your lining caught in your zip... but I won't go into that.Michaelson wrote:I guess the only reason I've been a fan of the facings is that I HAVE caught the zip in the lining before, and it can be quite aggrevating to get loose without tearing said lining, and that was on an FS too!
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[quote="Kt Templar"]I like the cowhide but it feels like it's lined with lead. The facing seems to stop the zipper side from wobbling, but to be honest I've probably not worn it more than an hour or two. I don't notice a great deal of difference in how the front of the jacket feels, it may be the whole "my god this jacket is heavy" thing throwing me off.quote]
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I have a lambskin without the facings, and I kind of wish it had them. The jacket literally folds in along the line of the zipper edge is under the leather. I would expect this to be less of a problem with thicker hides, but the lamb just gives without a fight. If I get another lambskin, it will have facings, but if I go for predistressed cow, I won't.
