cheaper close enough in Sportsman's guide ?

Indiana Greg · Post by **Indiana Greg** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:58 pm

what do you think?

found here:http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=327723

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:02 pm

protocol jackets were discussed here:

viewtopic.php?t=19654

i beat yah again VP!!!

JEEP · Post by **JEEP** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:12 pm

I think it looks quite nice - I really like the colour.

I'ts hard to see whether the sleeves are of the infamous three-piece construction. And I would really like to see the back.

/Jakob

Indiana Cromeens · Post by **Indiana Cromeens** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:17 pm

This is a different protocol jacket though, it is supposed to be a Fonze/bomber Jacket. Notice the sleeves, they appear to be correct to a real indy jacket, the label is different too.

VP · Post by VP » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:19 am

Indiana G wrote:i beat yah again VP!!!

w00t. He posted that at 11 PM, and I was busy watching The Bourne Identity and preparing for my English exam today.

Stinchcomb · Post by **Stinchcomb** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:17 pm

Hey Everybody,

I'm new in town, found your site last week when doing research on this same jacket before ordering. I wasn’t necessarily looking for an authentic style Indy jacket, just similar. They say it has an adjustable strap on a rear vent.?? It should arrive tomorrow (Wed.). When it does, I’ll get some pics and post them here Thursday.

Stinchcomb · Post by **Stinchcomb** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:09 am

Well, the Protocol “Sportsman’s Guide” jacket arrived yesterday. Here are some pics. It is indeed an Indy jacket, made by US Wings, but imported from China. The sleeves are the 3 piece type. The leather does seem a little thin, but then again, I’ve been wearing and am used to the new A2 horsehide. A nice brass YKK zipper. Over all I say, a good product for the price. I believe I’ll hang on to this one. It is an XL and it fits me about as perfect as it gets for off the shelf sizing. I’m 5’-10, 198#.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/ ... /front.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/ ... b/back.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/ ... side-1.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/ ... b/tag1.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/ ... b/tag2.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/ ... b/tag3.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/ ... zipper.jpg

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:54 am

That is too #### funny! They just sewed over the USWings label.
Priceless.

That is indeed a nice jacket for the money. Any chance you could post some measurements , like sleeve and back length? Would help others(like me) figure their size.
Thanks,
'Blues

Stinchcomb · Post by **Stinchcomb** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:56 am

IndyBlues wrote:That is too #### funny! They just sewed over the USWings label.
Priceless.
That is indeed a nice jacket for the money. Any chance you could post some measurements , like sleeve and back length? Would help others(like me) figure their size.
Thanks,
'Blues

The label was actually a sticker that peeled right off. I will get some measurements today during lunch.

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:00 am

Much obliged!

The leather does really look nice on these, compared to the lambskin version I've seen. The lamb had more of a russet tone.
'Blues

Jerome · Post by **Jerome** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:44 am

Just ordered one, the $16 they charged to ship it ten miles to my house was certainly no bargain!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:55 pm

stinchcomb....it looks like you got a great bargain and i was surprised to see that protocol jackets ARE us wings jackets. the mystery is unveiled...well at least for me.

enjoy the jacket in good health. looks very nice on you.

cheers

Indiana Max · Post by **Indiana Max** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:59 pm

Wow for that price, everything but bad

Stinchcomb · Post by **Stinchcomb** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:00 pm

IndyBlues wrote:That is too #### funny! They just sewed over the USWings label.
Priceless.
That is indeed a nice jacket for the money. Any chance you could post some measurements , like sleeve and back length? Would help others(like me) figure their size.
Thanks,
'Blues

Here are your dimensions.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/ ... mb/DIM.jpg

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:15 pm

Thank you sir, much appreciated.

Enjoy your jacket, looks like you got an incredible bargain.
'Blues

Jerome · Post by **Jerome** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:22 pm

I just talked with sportsman's guide about the shipping, they go by item price, not distance/weight. If you order a $20 rubber raincoat from them, the shipping will be half compared to what they charge for a $150 leather jacket.

Mention this when you call in the order, you have a good chance of getting them to lower the shipping cost. I ordered online, complained, and got a discount credit.

RC Halliburton · Post by **RC Halliburton** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:36 pm

Jerome, that's a useful tip!

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:10 am

WOW I'm amazed by this jacket.

Indiana G wrote:protocol jackets were discussed here:

viewtopic.php?t=19654

i beat yah again VP!!!

Yeah you're getting better and better. Very soon we won't need VP anymore

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:30 am

Just a note for you guys outside the US from the Sportsmans Guide:

We regret to inform you that at this time we do not ship orders overseas due to the complexities of banking laws, tariffs, duties, taxes, and currency conversions.

We would be happy to process your order if you can provide us with a US credit card and US address to ship your package to. We do apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

THANK YOU

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:10 am

One time I bought something from US and because they sent it with UPS courrier I had to go to customs to clear it.

I end up paying about 100% in taxes and dues and had to waiting for about 3 hours to make all the formalities.

*****.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:15 pm

Yeah you're getting better and better. Very soon we won't need VP anymore

come on.....we'll always need vp!!! who else is going to cook the sausages when we're stuck under michaelson's plymouth?

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:13 pm

Got this from Sgt. Hack this morning:

quote:
"Hello M,
Protocol is a company that is going out of business and or has already gone out of business.. SO HO in China must have made some extra jackets and sold some of them out the back door... There really is not much we can do about that.. I think I would do business with a company that has been around and will be around and is a USA Company!!! I know by Federal TM Laws no one can sell our Trade Mark Jackets I.E. ( R ) ... Crazy business. Who is Sportsman Guide? They may be in deep trouble!!!
Sarge
Please post!"

unquote

Regards! Michaelson

Stinchcomb · Post by **Stinchcomb** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:16 pm

Michaelson wrote:Got this from Sgt. Hack this morning:

quote:
"Hello M,
Protocol is a company that is going out of business and or has already gone out of business.. SO HO in China must have made some extra jackets and sold some of them out the back door... There really is not much we can do about that.. I think I would do business with a company that has been around and will be around and is a USA Company!!! I know by Federal TM Laws no one can sell our Trade Mark Jackets I.E. ( R ) ... Crazy business. Who is Sportsman Guide? They may be in deep trouble!!!
Sarge
Please post!"

unquote

Regards! Michaelson

OOPS! I ratted Sportsman's Guide out. Does this mean I've bought some sort of stolen black market goods?

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:46 pm

Since that question has been asked, here's the PS:

quote:
"PS Any person buying a U S Wings Jacket may end up in Federal Court Just a little FYI!!! If we don't sell em You can not buy em. I would speak to a good Attorney!! Now if they take our label out.. Then that is another story!! "unquote

I'm just guessing here, but I'm thinking Protocol thought that them just covering up the Wings label took care of this problem. Apparently that might not be the case.

You didn't 'rat out' anyone, but have simply uncovered something squirrelly going on here.

Regards! Michaelson

JEEP · Post by **JEEP** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:01 pm

Wow - I was just about to order one earlier today, but they had run out of XL's. I guess I can consider myself lucky.

I just ordered a USW goatskin instead. I decided long ago that my first Indy jacket should be a goatskin - and with Wested having been out of goatskin for a while it had to be a USW.

/Jakob

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:25 pm

quote:
"PS Any person buying a U S Wings Jacket may end up in Federal Court Just a little FYI!!! If we don't sell em You can not buy em. I would speak to a good Attorney!! Now if they take our label out.. Then that is another story!! "unquote

Now why would they end up in court if they didn't know they actually purchased a U.S Wings jacket? It's quite clear from the pics that Protocol covered up the label and may no attempt to inform the purchaser the jacket wasn't made by them.

I could see the pics being used in court as evidence to prove something "shady" was going on though. U.S Wings has every right to be angery and should sue the @#$% out of them.

I'm so glad I saved up the cash and bought a Wested.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:56 pm

I believe he was referring to the 'Sportsman's Guide' company, not any person ordering the jacket.

As I understand it, it's required to REMOVE the label before selling under another name, not cover it up....so that's the problem is in this case.

Regards! Michaelson

VP · Post by VP » Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:47 am

Hey Michaelson, why don't you use the quote tags? Just click the button Quote or type

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and after the quote press the button again or type

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Post by **Michaelson** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:39 am

I guess I could. I just never tried that.

Thanks! I'll try it next time.

Regards! Michaelson

RC Halliburton · Post by **RC Halliburton** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:25 pm

You lot notice the strange caveat of :

"WARNING:This product cannot be shipped to California. Please check your State, County and City laws for restrictions before ordering this product."

Isn't US Wings in San Diego? Hmmmm......

Post by **Michaelson** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:29 pm

No, they're in Stow, Ohio.

Regards! Michaelson

Jerome · Post by **Jerome** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:43 pm

Well, my Protocol arived today, I am returning it for a refund tomorrow.

Nothing wrong with it, the size L is just too big on me.

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:23 am

Crazy business. Who is Sportsman Guide? They may be in deep trouble!!!

I find this quote funny. Sportsmans Guide has been in business over
31 years. As a matter of fact, they were in business 10 years BEFORE
US Wings was created!

They are a company that buys up stock from other companies that are
either going out of business, or that liquidate their stock.

Then, Sportsmans Guide sells the items at reduced prices.

It took me all of 20 seconds to find this information out by doing a very
simple search on the internet. But, I already knew about Sportsmans
Guide, as I have been a customer of theirs long before there was an
internet, and long before there was a US Wings.

Flathead

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:56 am

Well, with that said and them having 31 years of experience under their belt, that makes it even stranger. The same information was found by internet search by Wings AFTER that email was sent as well.

They definitely should have known that it was against Federal Trademark laws to sell items, acquired through liquidated stock or not, under their banner bearing another companies name tag, and without that companies knowledge or approval. It was their responsibility to inspect each and every shipment they received via import from any company they deal with. How did this fall through the cracks, and since last October when they first started offering the Protocol Indy jacket?

It's kosher if the tag has been removed, but not covered as seen in these photos!

That makes no sense to me at all! I used to receive their catlogs for years. Can't recall if I ever BOUGHT anything, but they've always had some really neat stuff to offer.

Should prove interesting to see how this all shakes out.

Regards! Michaelson

Stinchcomb · Post by **Stinchcomb** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:56 pm

Michaelson wrote:They definitely should have known that it was against Federal Trademark laws to sell items, acquired through liquidated stock or not, under their banner bearing another companies name tag, and without that companies knowledge or approval. It was their responsibility to inspect each and every shipment they received via import from any company they deal with. How did this fall through the cracks, and since last October when they first started offering the Protocol Indy jacket?
Regards! Michaelson

Yeah, it appears that Sportsman's Guide bought up Protocol jackets when Protocol went out of business and didn't fully inspect the product for such illegalities. I hope they come out ok on this. I'm a current customer of theirs and sure would hate for them to go away......they have too much cool stuff.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:01 pm

I doubt they'll go anywhere. They're too big and too well established.

I bet they're more careful from now on, though.

Regards! Michaelson

cheaper close enough in Sportsman's guide ?

cheaper close enough in Sportsman's guide ?

Bought it.....Pics available Thursday.