No More Goat at Wested

[CM]

Yep. Just asked about ordering a goat Raiders and was told Goat has been discontinued. Crumbs! I don't like the other options.

Does anyone know were the goat leather generally comes from?

[Flyer05]

Go with Gibson and Barnes if you can't get the goat from Wested. Their goat is awesome, and the jackets are a bit more sturdily constructed. Their jacket is also based directly off of a screen-used jacket. So, in that sense, it's one step closer to "the real deal" than the Wested is.

[Serial Hero]

Their jacket is also based directly off of a screen-used jacket. So, in that sense, it's one step closer to "the real deal" than the Wested is.

???

Wested made the jackets for the movies, and their jackets are based off of those patterns. it doesn't get any closer than that.

[Rundquist]

Yep. Just asked about ordering a goat Raiders and was told Goat has been discontinued. Crumbs! I don't like the other options.

Does anyone know were the goat leather generally comes from?

Goat leather for commercial use generally comes from Pakistan where goats are raised for meat. They also come from India to a lesser degree. The goats from India are generally smaller than those from Pakistan. They also differ in characteristics. Perhaps Peter is having a difficult time in acquiring hides that are uniform. During lean years for instance, there can be a stretching that occurs in the hide where the backbone was. Many things can affect the hides and sometimes usable ones can be difficult to acquire. Cheers

[Pitfall Harry]

So that's it then......no more at all....EVER? OR is it IF Peter is able to acquire hides he will start offering it again?

I got my goat about 2 years ago and I love it. I thought if I ever got another one I might try lambskin but as far as being light and durable the goat does the trick.

I feel bad for anyone who missed out on these.

[Flyer05]

Their jacket is also based directly off of a screen-used jacket. So, in that sense, it's one step closer to "the real deal" than the Wested is.

???

Wested made the jackets for the movies, and their jackets are based off of those patterns. it doesn't get any closer than that.

Correct me, because I can be wrong, but my understanding is that GB actually got their hands on a screen-used jacket and duplicated theirs off of that piece. Wested did indeed make the original jackets, so you don't get much more original in terms of the maker than that. But, as was mentioned in another thread, Wested makes their jackets from partial original patterns as they haven't had access to an original "screen-used" jacket since the films were made. There seems to be some discussion about the "screen accuracy" of pocket size, placement, etc. There was even discussion in threads past that Wested may have based their jackets or fleshed out their repro patterns off of a GB jacket. So, you may well be buying a copy of a GB Expedition jacket when you buy a Wested. That fact shouldn't take away from it being a nice jacket, though.

Regardless of pedigree, in terms of construction, GB wins handily. Those jackets are virtually bullet proof and will last many a moon.

[Indiana Johnson]

So my question to GB owners is this:
Does the GB fit slimmer or fuller. I was planning to order my Wested this year, but due to my slender / athletic build I planned to order the 80's slim fit pattern. I have owned modern / fuller cut jackets and despise them. Would the GB fit my slender frame, or do they cater more to the modern day loose fit crowd?
Thank you
-Ben

[Flyer05]

Depends on how "slender" you are. I had always heard that GB sizes ran big to accomodate the "modern" (fat) build. I've always been told to order one size down. I wound up having to go one size larger to get it to fit me properly in the chest and shoulders. I'm 6' 3" and bounce back and forth between about 200 and 215 pounds depending on the time of year. I'm not exactly slender, but I don't have a gut either. Just a healthy, fit build. If you are really slender, you might go one size smaller. Cool thing with GB is that it is easy to exchange for size if you need to.

[CM]

Despite what they say, the Gibson and Barnes jackets don't look much like the movie version. It was based on the stunt jacket and they've played with it since. Pockets are way off. Excellent quality however.

I'll wait until they can source more goat - it that ever happens.

Thank you Rundquist for that backround to goat leather - helpful stuff.

What is the quality of Magnoli's gear - lining, etc? His stuff looks very good in photos.

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[VP]

This Wested goat issue has been discussed in several other threads...VP, roll out the links!

http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t=19889
http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t=19943
http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t=20580

[Indakin]

really glad i bought goat now while i did. Still want a lambskin though.

[Indiana Max]

Lampskin is nice, you´re right. I love it the best

[Flyer05]

I don't understand how the goat has been discontinued. There's plenty of goat skin for all the other jacket makers out there to keep on making goat skin jackets. There are other suppliers out there. Why not just source a new supplier?

[Indiana G]

its not the fact that there is no goatskin available, its the fact that peter cannot source:

1. goat hides large enough to make the entire back panel as this is one piece and....
2. hides that are at a quality deserving of the wested name
3. hides that fullfill 1 & 2 and can be obtained at a price that keeps peter's jacket price the same.

thats my interpretation of the goat hide shortage. i'm sure peter would still make a goat hide jacket for you if you are willing to settle for inferior hides and pay a premium.

[Michaelson]

He's probably experiencing the same increase in the price of hides that Wings announced this week, so rather than increase the prices, eliminated a hide from the line up.....same thing that Wings had to do, though they also announced a 7% across the board increase as of March 1st. Apparently they decided to do both.

Regards! Michaelson

[Kt Templar]

Price may be an issue, but maybe not, Peter has stated the quality of the skins on several occasions.

I've seen some of the said goat skins, they are pretty small and have a spine mark down the centre. They also have stretch marks along the edges, must be pretty hard to get the necessary panels from them.

As I noted on 2/2/07

viewtopic.php?t=20580

The new lambskins he's got are much larger and better quality, it's strange, you really have an eh? moment, how come lambs are bigger than goats. Dunno! Must be the size that they are slaughtered at. It may be that goat is really "kid" and lambskin really a year or two year old lamb, (I know there's a term and it's technically not yet a sheep! [Hoggat?]).

Anyway, apparently tanneries specialise in one or the other. So the tannery that does the lamb is delivering the goods and the one that does the goat is not. Maybe he's still looking. Maybe not.

[Bogie1943]

Ignorance is bliss....Rundquist will know what I mean by that.

[St. Dumas]

Just asked about ordering a goat Raiders and was told Goat has been discontinued.

If this forum is any indication, Wested's goatskin jackets were incredibly popular. My Dad bought a LC goatskin in October, (just under the wire, as it happened) and it's one rugged jacket. That thing will last for decades.

I think the questions are whether Peter is planning to re-introduce the goat if he ever comes across another satisfactory source, and whether he's actively looking. Even by a mere skimming of these posts, it's clear that people want their goat Indy jackets.

SD

[Bogie1943]

I love my G&B goats and would like to have bought a Wested goat one of these days. What I really want is a Wested horsehide. I have never owned an Indy jacket in that hide. I am not even sure Wested has the horsehide anymore.

[JulianK]

Personally right now I've 'settled' for a lamb....if you could call it that as I'm sure I'll fall in love with it! However, I plan on jumping the second Peter announces that goat is back. It really was my first choice. Oh well, this way hopefully I'll get 2 Westeds out of the deal!