Last trials before the BIG order
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Last trials before the BIG order
I 've been playing around with some pocket flap pic I found.
That's the ideal flap to me.
So I placed the new pockets that measure 7 x 6.5 over my old jacket and erased the old ones. (I know I didn't match the colors that well).
The left pocket's distance from flap is 2.5 inches but that is making the storm flap to appear very narrow. (Storm flap measures 1.5 inch, while original distance of pocket from storm flap is 2.3 inches)
Distance of pocket from hem is 2 inches (original is 1.37 inches). It seems pocket is too far away, I think it should be something like 1.8 inches.
So what do you think?
That's the ideal flap to me.
So I placed the new pockets that measure 7 x 6.5 over my old jacket and erased the old ones. (I know I didn't match the colors that well).
The left pocket's distance from flap is 2.5 inches but that is making the storm flap to appear very narrow. (Storm flap measures 1.5 inch, while original distance of pocket from storm flap is 2.3 inches)
Distance of pocket from hem is 2 inches (original is 1.37 inches). It seems pocket is too far away, I think it should be something like 1.8 inches.
So what do you think?
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With all due respect those pocket flaps suffer from the "Elvis Collar effect", you know how his collars got more and more exaggerated as he got older, that's what's happening here.
The screen ones are more scalloped than we see on most jackets but nowhere near as much as those ones.
Note: The one we see all the time, scallped but without the big teardrop effect.
The other pocket on the same jacket, much less scalloped.
Basically the curve is too rounded.
The screen ones are more scalloped than we see on most jackets but nowhere near as much as those ones.
Note: The one we see all the time, scallped but without the big teardrop effect.
The other pocket on the same jacket, much less scalloped.
Basically the curve is too rounded.
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I've sent you the file illustrator, I'd be interested to see what you end up with.
That one is exactly to scale with the pic, taking the slight distortion into account. (note the flaps looks a little asymmetric in that image.) The flap is the right height . Ok, i've made the flap about 2mm longer! This time round.
Regards,
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That one is exactly to scale with the pic, taking the slight distortion into account. (note the flaps looks a little asymmetric in that image.) The flap is the right height . Ok, i've made the flap about 2mm longer! This time round.
Regards,
Kt.
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So, what sized jacket is this pocket size for? The measurements have to be for a specified size because if you size up or down the pocket size will have to change in relation to the jacket size.
When I did the my specs it was for my sized jacket, a 42 R. I see your specs are a little different with a 1/2 inch less on the length but I see you came up with the same measurements for the width and pocket flap, though.
When I did the my specs it was for my sized jacket, a 42 R. I see your specs are a little different with a 1/2 inch less on the length but I see you came up with the same measurements for the width and pocket flap, though.
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Okay, I designed 3 pockets.
The first is KT Templar's design with the wings of the flap trimmed.
The second is the same with a little more pointy tip.
The third (which is my preference) is the same with the second but the center of the flap measures something more than 3 inches.
I believe that the more pointy tip matches the photos below, which vary from the one outside the temple.
What is your opinion?
The first is KT Templar's design with the wings of the flap trimmed.
The second is the same with a little more pointy tip.
The third (which is my preference) is the same with the second but the center of the flap measures something more than 3 inches.
I believe that the more pointy tip matches the photos below, which vary from the one outside the temple.
What is your opinion?
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I still like my one a bit better . I do believe the flap should be slightly wider than the pocket. It might be that it should be very slightly more pointed but I'm going to err slightly on the side of caution. (Don't want to do an Elvis)..
And this pic is for Erri, completely unscientific, I just blew your pic up to 24" and put the pocket over it. Then aligned the similar angles.
And this pic is for Erri, completely unscientific, I just blew your pic up to 24" and put the pocket over it. Then aligned the similar angles.
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Agent5, which first pic are you referring to?Ironically, the first pic looks exactly as it does on my jacket.
KT Templar, the photo for Erri looks good but there is another detail to be taken into account.
Now that the pocket is smaller, its distance from the bottom of the jacket should be different, a tad larger. Not to mention the distance from the zipper/storm flap.
What do you think?
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Maybe a touch higher but not by a lot. I believe the bottom of the pocket probably goes about the same distance from the bottom of the jacket as the width of the stormflap plus (perhaps) the the width of the piping.PLATON wrote:Agent5, which first pic are you referring to?Ironically, the first pic looks exactly as it does on my jacket.
KT Templar, the photo for Erri looks good but there is another detail to be taken into account.
Now that the pocket is smaller, its distance from the bottom of the jacket should be different, a tad larger. Not to mention the distance from the zipper/storm flap.
What do you think?
As for distance from the stormflap, equaldistance from the closed flap so they appear even. This is normally spot on Westeds.
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We had a gentleman who worked on his Master thesis while attending a Canadian university. After he gathered his data, I never heard from him again, and I participated in his study.
That was about 5 years or so ago. I can't remember his name now, but you might want to do some Google searches or the like to see if anything pops up.
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That was about 5 years or so ago. I can't remember his name now, but you might want to do some Google searches or the like to see if anything pops up.
Regards! Michaelson
Just wanted to add a little something about my order.
I left out some screen accurate specs in favor of utility. Those were
1. collar does not extend to the middle of storm flap.
2. pockets are not off-center.
3. pocket flaps not wider than pockets.
On the other hand they will use a 5 gauge alluminum zipper which I provided. Also, the color will not be auth lamb but dark lamb. I tried the auth lamb before and let me tell you, if you don't distress it doesn't look like the jacket on screen. The dark doesn't differ too much, it's just darker. Reminds me of the fight with the mechanic scene where I see a dusted dark brown jacket.
I left out some screen accurate specs in favor of utility. Those were
1. collar does not extend to the middle of storm flap.
2. pockets are not off-center.
3. pocket flaps not wider than pockets.
On the other hand they will use a 5 gauge alluminum zipper which I provided. Also, the color will not be auth lamb but dark lamb. I tried the auth lamb before and let me tell you, if you don't distress it doesn't look like the jacket on screen. The dark doesn't differ too much, it's just darker. Reminds me of the fight with the mechanic scene where I see a dusted dark brown jacket.
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I'll tell you exactly what happened.
I sent my order by email and a few minutes later the phone rang and when I answered, there was somebody on the other line speaking Greek to me. I asked "who is this" and he said "it's Peter Botwright from Wested".
I can tell you, I was surpised (wasn't expecting him). Then we discussed my order and he said that what he saw in my order was pretty close to the 'screen jacket' he is preparing. Then I said that I will not reveal to indygear the details of my order until he is ready with his 'screen jacket'
My order wasn't for a 100% accurate jacket, intentionally.
One other feature of the accurate jacket I left out the side strap seam. I ordered x-box, while recent evidence has shown that the original was either a rectangular seam, or a folded strap with one seam only (like the LC jacket in the Smithsonian). See photo below
We spent a lot of time considering the size of the pocket but here's two photos showing that our assumptions were wrong. I already can hear you complaining "Yes, maybe that is another jacket". Sure, so in that case size of pocket can never be objective and each of us can choose size what he likes and be happy with it.
Believe me, I know the screen accurate specs for the jacket, at least at 95%. I have given it very serious thought. The jacket has been the item I am mostly interested in. I have done a great research. OK, for the pants too, but that was a lot easier.
Also, the pocket flap appears to be wider than the pocket in certain shots but that has to be a result of the heavy distress the jacket has been subject to. Come on, I mean I can't imagine any reasonable maker crafting the flap wider. There's no point for that. (not to mention that it's not wider in the pics above).
I decided, if the fit of the jacket of this order is good, I will order one more with ALL the accurate specs this time. (I still have 2 accurate 5 gauge alluminum zippers here).
I sent my order by email and a few minutes later the phone rang and when I answered, there was somebody on the other line speaking Greek to me. I asked "who is this" and he said "it's Peter Botwright from Wested".
I can tell you, I was surpised (wasn't expecting him). Then we discussed my order and he said that what he saw in my order was pretty close to the 'screen jacket' he is preparing. Then I said that I will not reveal to indygear the details of my order until he is ready with his 'screen jacket'
My order wasn't for a 100% accurate jacket, intentionally.
One other feature of the accurate jacket I left out the side strap seam. I ordered x-box, while recent evidence has shown that the original was either a rectangular seam, or a folded strap with one seam only (like the LC jacket in the Smithsonian). See photo below
We spent a lot of time considering the size of the pocket but here's two photos showing that our assumptions were wrong. I already can hear you complaining "Yes, maybe that is another jacket". Sure, so in that case size of pocket can never be objective and each of us can choose size what he likes and be happy with it.
Believe me, I know the screen accurate specs for the jacket, at least at 95%. I have given it very serious thought. The jacket has been the item I am mostly interested in. I have done a great research. OK, for the pants too, but that was a lot easier.
Also, the pocket flap appears to be wider than the pocket in certain shots but that has to be a result of the heavy distress the jacket has been subject to. Come on, I mean I can't imagine any reasonable maker crafting the flap wider. There's no point for that. (not to mention that it's not wider in the pics above).
I decided, if the fit of the jacket of this order is good, I will order one more with ALL the accurate specs this time. (I still have 2 accurate 5 gauge alluminum zippers here).
Well now... those last two photos show a pocket which does indeed look longer than most. Almost like the standard Wested.
My only issue is this. There are no shots on screen in the film (that I have seen) which reflect this look. For me, stunt jackets or jackets in any other "making of" photos don't count as Indy Jackets. They are stand ins just as surely as Harrison himself had stand ins. Not the real deal.
Am I being unreasonable?
My only issue is this. There are no shots on screen in the film (that I have seen) which reflect this look. For me, stunt jackets or jackets in any other "making of" photos don't count as Indy Jackets. They are stand ins just as surely as Harrison himself had stand ins. Not the real deal.
Am I being unreasonable?
No more than any of the other freaks on the board.CM wrote:Well now... those last two photos show a pocket which does indeed look longer than most. Almost like the standard Wested.
My only issue is this. There are no shots on screen in the film (that I have seen) which reflect this look. For me, stunt jackets or jackets in any other "making of" photos don't count as Indy Jackets. They are stand ins just as surely as Harrison himself had stand ins. Not the real deal.
Am I being unreasonable?
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What troubles me is that the pockets seem to be very rectangular in comparison with the photo outside the temple.
Rectangular and big. 7.5 inches high maybe more.
It is comforting that the pocket looks much like my standard Wested's but I am a little worried because I just ordered 7 x 6.5.
We'll see.
Rectangular and big. 7.5 inches high maybe more.
It is comforting that the pocket looks much like my standard Wested's but I am a little worried because I just ordered 7 x 6.5.
We'll see.
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