American who loves cowhide-any one else Indy enough too?
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American who loves cowhide-any one else Indy enough too?
I just ordered my 20 year in the making Wested. I got a non-distressed COW HIDE and not a Lamb (out here we call them sheep) or a Goat skin. I can stand the extra weight and think it will look great. I have not seen the threads (I am sure that they are there too) where any one has bragged about their Cowhide. Who dares to "take the leap of faith" and show their true affections via reply and or Photos. I bet those who have CH even enjoy a good cigar....
Long Ashes to all my compadres..... Cowboy
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I used to have an Indy cowhide. Cool lookin' jacket! I've been tempted to get one of em' pre-distressed Indy cowhides for awhile now .
Speaking of jackets in general, I'm going to get one of them western oilskin jackets in the short length after the holidays.
Congrats on your new jacket n' post pics please if you can!
Kind regards,
Captain D
Speaking of jackets in general, I'm going to get one of them western oilskin jackets in the short length after the holidays.
Congrats on your new jacket n' post pics please if you can!
Kind regards,
Captain D
I've worn my New finish Tod cowhide jacket pretty much EVERY day since i got it about 4 years ago. It's pretty worn in at this point, considering how i wear it. The lining is all torn up, and I've probably re- attached the side straps at least 4 times including once with tape.... I will probably need to get something repaired on it soon, as things are tearing a bit. But it almost seems like it hit the point where it became bullet proof, as I haven't really noticed any significant wear in the past few months. I wear It in all kinds of weather, this includes using it like a rain jacket. I just wipe it down with some lexol after it dries off, and its fine......It's very wrinkly and old looking. Honestly, its not a perfect fit, because I got a off the rack size, but when I bought it i was still "growing" so I tried to add in some extra size to grow into, so the jacket itself is a good fit. The only loose spot is in the waist measurement. I'm going to make it last me as long as possible.
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I've been wearing my Wings cowhide, and have never had any problems with ANY cowhide Indy's I've owned in the past (including all the Wested cowhides. My personal favorite was his 'new finish cowhide', no longer available ).
Problem has always been the weight, considering where I live. I'm sure in Washington State I'd be a happy camper....but in South Central Tennessee, the weight really lessens the time the jacket can be worn. It's a perfect cool/cold weather hide....but above 55 and it gets uncomfortable, especially when there's humidity.
Regards! Michaelson
Problem has always been the weight, considering where I live. I'm sure in Washington State I'd be a happy camper....but in South Central Tennessee, the weight really lessens the time the jacket can be worn. It's a perfect cool/cold weather hide....but above 55 and it gets uncomfortable, especially when there's humidity.
Regards! Michaelson
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I don't have to. I'm quoting directly from two different leather companies, both jacket makers and tanneries, that have existed right here in Tullahoma, TN. That's how they rate the leathers to use for military and law enforcement jackets, and the other company is Wilson Sporting goods. They make baseballs and softballs here, and tan their own hides locally as well. This is the industry standard. Cowhide falls 3rd in the durability list on non-exotic leathers used here in the U.S.
That's also why the U.S. Navy uses goatskin instead of cowhide for their flight jackets. When horsehide supplies ran low, the next best was goatskin for it's durability, flexibility, and water resistance. Cowhide came in a distant third in the military tests. Goatskin is STILL the standard.
Regards! Michaelson
That's also why the U.S. Navy uses goatskin instead of cowhide for their flight jackets. When horsehide supplies ran low, the next best was goatskin for it's durability, flexibility, and water resistance. Cowhide came in a distant third in the military tests. Goatskin is STILL the standard.
Regards! Michaelson
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I find this durability ranking shocking. That soft, soft goatskin is actually more durable thatn cow and horse hide?! Just in general wear? Would it stand up to serious action? Not just the walkin' around and the weather, but say, occasionally-leaving-a-moving-vehicle sort of action? I would've assumed that goat would tear like an overstuffed garbage bag full of broken glass.
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_'s Pre-Distressed Last Crusade Jacket
Hey, _. I think elsewhere you said you treated that Crusade jacket with Pecard's. In your opinion how water resistant would the pre-distressed hide have been without it? Did you prefer the look of the jacket better with or without Pecard's?
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OK, I need to get a few answers here, because throughout this discussion there seems to be disagreement about whether goat or horsehide is more durable.
Firstly, a reference was made to jackets from the 1930's still being in pristine conditions, but HH gets brittle after 30 or so years. I thought the jackets from the 30's WERE made of HH, and goat was not used until the 40's. Am I wrong there?
Secondly, I own a goatskin G-1 from San Diego Leather Jacket Factory (www.leather.com). It's obviously less than top quality leather, but I've had it through four winters and going into the fifth. I wear it in the rain and snow, camping and hunting, and I have never treated it with any type of leather lotions or waterproofing. It's wrinkled and a bit brittle, but the color has held amazingly well. Plus I think it came from the factory a bit wrinkled and brittle to begin with, I don't think I've made it worse For this reason, I was planning to order my first Wested this spring, and was going to order Goat. With the recent announcement that goat is not available, I was considering HH instead. Would I be better off waiting for goat to be available, or would I be well served by HH, considering this will be a rough use jacket?
Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
Firstly, a reference was made to jackets from the 1930's still being in pristine conditions, but HH gets brittle after 30 or so years. I thought the jackets from the 30's WERE made of HH, and goat was not used until the 40's. Am I wrong there?
Secondly, I own a goatskin G-1 from San Diego Leather Jacket Factory (www.leather.com). It's obviously less than top quality leather, but I've had it through four winters and going into the fifth. I wear it in the rain and snow, camping and hunting, and I have never treated it with any type of leather lotions or waterproofing. It's wrinkled and a bit brittle, but the color has held amazingly well. Plus I think it came from the factory a bit wrinkled and brittle to begin with, I don't think I've made it worse For this reason, I was planning to order my first Wested this spring, and was going to order Goat. With the recent announcement that goat is not available, I was considering HH instead. Would I be better off waiting for goat to be available, or would I be well served by HH, considering this will be a rough use jacket?
Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
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Oh Great!.....just when I was about to decide for sure on ordering a Wested HH, and now I've got something else to think about!!Cowboy wrote:_, great looking piece of Art! Nothing beats a cowhide for smell and for durability, except for maybe HH. Hmmm, maybe next order.
Cowboy wrote:PS. Sort of off thread, but who loves a good cigar?
I Do!! .....what's your favorite cigar(s) Cowboy?
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Padron Black,La Gloria Cubana R series #6. Any good Maduro. And Yours?spiridon wrote:Oh Great!.....just when I was about to decide for sure on ordering a Wested HH, and now I've got something else to think about!!Cowboy wrote:_, great looking piece of Art! Nothing beats a cowhide for smell and for durability, except for maybe HH. Hmmm, maybe next order.
Cowboy wrote:PS. Sort of off thread, but who loves a good cigar?
I Do!! .....what's your favorite cigar(s) Cowboy?
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If it's a new finish, yep! (grins)Mola Ram wrote:I own a legacy jacket?Michaelson wrote:I've been wearing my Wings cowhide, and have never had any problems with ANY cowhide Indy's I've owned in the past (including all the Wested cowhides. My personal favorite was his 'new finish cowhide', no longer available ).
Regards! Michaelson
I like the Padrons & LGC R Series as well. I also enjoy El Rico habana, Hoya de Nicaragua Antano, VSG, La Luna, Torano, Camacho....and some others.Cowboy wrote:Padron Black,La Gloria Cubana R series #6. Any good Maduro. And Yours?
Does the HH have that great "heavy" leather smell like the cowhide does? ....and one other thing, I didn't notice HH as an option on the Wested site......is this a "special request" that you need to contact Wested about?
....and Randy, is your cabin up around Flagstaff area? I used to live in Flagstaff.....my favorite place in the entire USA!!! Gorgeous area.
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No, our cabin is up in the mountains above Prescott, in what once was a mining town called Walker. However, my daughter is a sophomore at NAU, and my wife's parents have a second home in Flagstaff, so we spend a lot of weekends up in Flag visiting. It's just a two hour drive up, and we can stay at my in-laws' place for free, so it's a great setup. My son is four years younger than my daughter, and is talking about going to NAU as well, so we may have an excuse for another six years or so to keep going up.spiridon wrote:....and Randy, is your cabin up around Flagstaff area? I used to live in Flagstaff.....my favorite place in the entire USA!!! Gorgeous area.
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Re: American who loves cowhide-any one else Indy enough too?
Great to hear Cowboy. I also consider a standard db cowhide for my next Wested after two horsehide jackets. But I still don't know if I should get a third indy jacket or a TND Bond Jacket Drop in some pictures next year? when you got yours.Cowboy wrote:I just ordered my 20 year in the making Wested. I got a non-distressed COW HIDE and not a Lamb (out here we call them sheep) or a Goat skin. I can stand the extra weight and think it will look great. I have not seen the threads (I am sure that they are there too) where any one has bragged about their Cowhide. Who dares to "take the leap of faith" and show their true affections via reply and or Photos. I bet those who have CH even enjoy a good cigar....
Long Ashes to all my compadres..... Cowboy
I have ordered another indy jacket on 4th november and at the moment I don't think that I will get the jacket before christmas
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Dr. J - I'm envious that you're moving to Charleston, S.C. . That is one beautiful city! I love the ol' cobblestone streets near the Battery and old section of Charleston...I can't wait to go back!
Cowboy - Yea, I'm kinda a cigar guy, lol. I'm in Civil War reenacting and sometimes I light one up round' the campfire after a hard day's march and fighting!
_ - I always enjoy looking at your old LC Cowhide jacket! I'm glad you're all good after your fall...next time get a stunt man to do those type of stunts, lol,
Kind regards,
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Cowboy - Yea, I'm kinda a cigar guy, lol. I'm in Civil War reenacting and sometimes I light one up round' the campfire after a hard day's march and fighting!
_ - I always enjoy looking at your old LC Cowhide jacket! I'm glad you're all good after your fall...next time get a stunt man to do those type of stunts, lol,
Kind regards,
Captain D
Re: American who loves cowhide-any one else Indy enough too?
I ordered mine on the 4th too, long before I found this site. Gemma told me 28 days back then, and 10 days almost 2 weeks agao. I hope they are on time. And people say CONTRACTORS are always behind schedule!orb wrote:Great to hear Cowboy. I also consider a standard db cowhide for my next Wested after two horsehide jackets. But I still don't know if I should get a third indy jacket or a TND Bond Jacket Drop in some pictures next year? when you got yours.Cowboy wrote:I just ordered my 20 year in the making Wested. I got a non-distressed COW HIDE and not a Lamb (out here we call them sheep) or a Goat skin. I can stand the extra weight and think it will look great. I have not seen the threads (I am sure that they are there too) where any one has bragged about their Cowhide. Who dares to "take the leap of faith" and show their true affections via reply and or Photos. I bet those who have CH even enjoy a good cigar....
Long Ashes to all my compadres..... Cowboy
I have ordered another indy jacket on 4th november and at the moment I don't think that I will get the jacket before christmas
Regards
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Not very resistant without Pecard.In your opinion how water resistant would the pre-distressed hide have been without it? Did you prefer the look of the jacket better with or without Pecard's?
I like the look the hide gets with the Pecard treatment,
each time I apply it the jacket gets better looking.
Here's an older pic with Pecard.
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Yes, K, excellent looking jacket. I have one older Wested that a prior owner distressed, perhaps to excess. When I got it, I immediately hit it with the Pecard's brown weatherproof dressing, and that not only lessened the harsh effects of the prior distressing, but gave it a nice, darker color (not too dark, but similar to yours). Over the months since then, perhaps as the dressing has soaked in more, the jacket has lightened up a bit and looks as if it could use another dressing treatment. But it lends to a great looking jacket!
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FINALLY , a well deserved Cowhide thread!
Mines a pre-distressed cow and just as K on the run said the jacket REALLY needed a coating of Pecards as soon as i got it, i think it stayed un pecarded for about a week after i got it, and it just got better after that with every new coating.
Heres two pics of mine, be aware that these were taken with the flash on so this color is not really accurate, its quite a bit darker in natural light.
And heres one of just the sleeve, LOOK AT THOSE WRINKLES :!:
This jackets about a year old, I have worn it almost every single day since i got it.
It does get pretty stiff in cold weather, i left it in the trunk of my car over night on accident and when i got it out the next morning it was molded into a little ball of Wested!
Mines a pre-distressed cow and just as K on the run said the jacket REALLY needed a coating of Pecards as soon as i got it, i think it stayed un pecarded for about a week after i got it, and it just got better after that with every new coating.
Heres two pics of mine, be aware that these were taken with the flash on so this color is not really accurate, its quite a bit darker in natural light.
And heres one of just the sleeve, LOOK AT THOSE WRINKLES :!:
This jackets about a year old, I have worn it almost every single day since i got it.
It does get pretty stiff in cold weather, i left it in the trunk of my car over night on accident and when i got it out the next morning it was molded into a little ball of Wested!
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Boys, I ordered mine just plain natural CH-with no distressing. I look forward to letting it do so naturaly. I will send you photos once this has occured. To me, aging and distressing it by un-natural means is like having only a cast webley that does not fire.....THE REAL THING is so much more enjoyable..... To live it is far greater than to pretend....Long Ashes
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