Some thoughts about those back pocket flaps...

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:27 pm

Given the recent threads on pants (behave, Swindiana!), I thought it might be interesting to see how much difference there is in Indy's legwear in the three movies. Aside from the known colour differences, it does also seem that those pocket flaps have evolved/mutated during the trilogy.

The ROTLA flaps appear more pointed; scallops are deep and the main shape is almost triangular.

in ToD and LC the flaps are more reminiscent of the Wested and NH versions - definitively more rectangular and probably more of a "standard" design.

At first, I thought I spotted a difference between the ToD and LC flaps too - however I believe this to be wishful thinking. The ToD and LC pants are supposed to be the same kind, right? Would have been an interesting headache for our trouser vendors, though...

"Me want LC pants!"
"Me want to order pants with ToD flaps!"
And so on...

Still, perhaps one of our excellent vendors would like to consider offering ROTLA- and ToD/LC-accurate pants...

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:34 pm

That last LC shot looks just like my prototype flaps. I'm having a pair made for myself right now that will have the more triangular Raiders flaps. Will keep you posted...

Kind regards,
Magnoli

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:22 pm

I'm very concerned regarding pants... Especially since some people find it disturbing when I lack the one pair I have. You tend to wanna get them right you know.

Regards,
Swindiana

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:19 pm

No more in-flight meals for you unless you put some pants on, Sir.

(Actual quote by British Airways cabin attendant)

@Mr. Magnoli - I knew it!

The thought crossed my mind as soon as I hit "submit"... indeed, keep us posted!

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:31 am

I'm having a pair made for myself right now that will have the more triangular Raiders flaps. Will keep you posted...

I will quote my self now from a post for the leather jacket

"No one can get the pocket flaps right"

PETER · Post by **PETER** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:47 am

THe pants in ROLA came straight from Bermans & Nathan stock of army costumes and were 'Officers Pinks'. However in the later films having been destroyed there was no stock. New pants were made with the more modern rear pocket. I dont mind which I make but it may be interesting to have a poll of which one.
Cheers
Peter

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:50 am

Cheers for clearing that up, Peter!
Just for the sake of it - would a change in flap design - for the more elaborate ones - up the production cost, and if so, how much would it affect the price?

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:12 am

PETER wrote:THe pants in ROLA came straight from Bermans & Nathan stock of army costumes and were 'Officers Pinks'. However in the later films having been destroyed there was no stock. New pants were made with the more modern rear pocket. I dont mind which I make but it may be interesting to have a poll of which one.
Cheers
Peter

What about offering two kind of pockets?

ROLA/TC
LC

would that increase the price?

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:43 am

The poll's up!

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:44 am

Just noticed .... and voted

VP · Post by VP » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:16 pm

RotLA:

ToD:

LC:

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:54 pm

I bet Canyon's got each of these pics saved to her desktop.

Serial Hero · Post by **Serial Hero** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:00 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:I bet Canyon's got each of these pics saved to her desktop.

I logged on, saw all the photos, and thought she had started the thread.

But it seems only the men of COW care about Ford's rear end.

...Not that there's anything wrong with that

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:05 pm

We just set a record......it took just over 24 hours before someone posted that observation.

Other times that this has discussion has occured, this was posted within a few minutes, or at least within a few hours.

Regards! Michaelson

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:46 pm

Yeah... I gotta admit, looking for screengrabs of Ford's posterior started feeling kinda awkward after a while...

One must endure these things for the common good of gearheads worldwide...

VP · Post by VP » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:16 am

Michaelson wrote:We just set a record......it took just over 24 hours before someone posted that observation.

Actually it took bink 21 hours, 27 minutes and 1 second.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:59 am

...give or take an eye blink....

Regards! Michaelson

VP · Post by VP » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:03 pm

Serial Hero made the observation in 23 hours, 33 minutes and 4 seconds.

Check these out. The pocket flaps look pretty similar to the LC ones with nice scalloping and the price is right. Wrong color though, they are grey/gray.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:19 pm

Hard to say looking at them on my flat screen. Seriously, when you scroll from top to bottom, they start out gray, and shift to the brown side of the color scale.

I wonder if the color we're being shown is a decent representation of the actual material color?:-k Good find, VP!

Regard! Michaelson

Harrison_Davies · Post by **Harrison_Davies** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:37 pm

Michaelson wrote: they start out gray, and shift to the brown side of the color scale.

Careful now you're in Clipper plane territory there lol

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:42 pm

Hey, shhhh, we're doing this from under the Plymouth, remember?

They'll NEVER know where it came from. 8-[

Regards! Michaelson

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:42 pm

Michaelson wrote:I wonder if the color we're being shown is a decent representation of the actual material color?:-k

Those pants do indeed look good, style-wise. However, they are made of broadcloth, which is substantially heavier than cav twill.

And as the pants are NVA (Nationale Volksarmee, East German army), they're most definitively gray...

Nevertheless, a good find indeed!

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:09 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:I bet Canyon's got each of these pics saved to her desktop.

Why do I always get mentioned at times like these?

Serial Hero wrote:
binkmeisterRick wrote:I bet Canyon's got each of these pics saved to her desktop.
I logged on, saw all the photos, and thought she had started the thread.

Am I really that bad?

Scandy, thanks so much for those photographs!

Serial Hero · Post by **Serial Hero** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:17 pm

Canyon wrote:
binkmeisterRick wrote:I bet Canyon's got each of these pics saved to her desktop.
Scandy, thanks so much for those photographs!

She does now

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:32 pm

Serial Hero wrote:She does now

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:09 pm

Canyon wrote:Scandy, thanks so much for those photographs!

You are very welcome, my dear! Always nice to be able to post threads that mix business with pleasure...

So, in our endeavour to help bringing forth the ultimate Indy pants... stay tuned for the button fly comparison thread!

8-[

Yes, yes, I know:

Apologies. Won't go there...

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:52 pm

It's about time you showed up here, Canyon!

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:30 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:It's about time you showed up here, Canyon!

What, on this thread, or on the board in general?

Don't worry hon. I'm around.

IndyParise · Post by **IndyParise** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:31 pm

You know, looking at that first pic, it looks like the rings on the bag are D shaped, not circular.

Harrison_Davies · Post by **Harrison_Davies** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:08 pm

IndyParise wrote:You know, looking at that first pic, it looks like the rings on the bag are D shaped, not circular.

I haven't seen any other scenes with D rings, maybe something broke or it's a stuntbag...

VP · Post by VP » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:10 pm

Perhaps a MkVI?

IndyParise · Post by **IndyParise** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:45 pm

VP wrote:Perhaps a MkVI?

Could be, you can't see how many drainage holes there are. Almost looks like there aren't any.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:36 pm

Not to mention that in the center of the yoke seam there is a.... hanger?

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:20 pm

I forgot to post this earlier... I made these "Expedition Pants" for one of my customers, basing the rear pocket flaps more on Raiders than anything else:

I'm hoping to get a bit more scalloping on my next pair. Will keep you posted...

Kind regards,
Magnoli

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:37 pm

Nobody can get the pocket flaps right....

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:46 pm

The ROTLA flaps are a pain indeed. Take a look at this grab from the Cairo swordsman scene:

same scene, yet now the flap looks considerably less scalloped compared to my first pic from the same scene.

Unless Harry had to change his pants during the shoot due to his, er, condition...

in which case we stand before a new dilemma - were there different pants unsed during the production? I'm thinking in terms of "hero" pants and "stunt" pants... one for the necessary butt/pocket flap closeups and another, less elaborate type of legwear for distance shots?

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:42 pm

Perhaps the extream scallop comes from pulling on the flap. Almost all the photos above show him sitting, climbing or "in action" Just standing the pocket flaps are where the should be.

Cheers,
Jeff

VP · Post by VP » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:02 am

Scandinavia Jones wrote:I'm thinking in terms of "hero" pants and "stunt" pants... one for the necessary butt/pocket flap closeups and another, less elaborate type of legwear for distance shots?

VP · Post by VP » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:11 am

https://host385.ipowerweb.com/~indyprop ... ucts_id=81

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:35 pm

hey platon,

"no one can get these pocket flaps right". i am attempting to get these pesky flaps correct from the screen grabs on this thread (raiders style of course).

i bought some wool pants that were on sale and am having the leftover material from the hem job turned into pocket flaps. i found out that this is not that easy of a thing to do. with the hemming and the pocket flap, the tailoring will cost as much as the pants!

i'll post pics when i get them. the flaps should be darn close to the triangular shape with the right amount of scalloping.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:53 am

i think my tailor got it pretty close except the color of the button:

and

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...only so much you can do when the pocket is there already. i think its pretty close.[/img]

VP · Post by VP » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:46 am

Got any bigger pics? They look a bit too pointed and scalloped to me.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:28 am

you're right vp, they are a bit pointy on the end. i kind of missed that. maybe i can grind the points down the next time i'm being dragged behind a truck

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:53 am

Check out the Eastman Officers Pinks V original photos.

http://www.eastmanleather.com/images/Pinksmont.jpg

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:49 am

Kt Templar wrote:Check out the Eastman Officers Pinks V original photos.

http://www.eastmanleather.com/images/Pinksmont.jpg

WOW! Those are the closest I have seen yet. If Peter could get these on his pants I'd buy another three or four pair.

Cheers,
Jeff