Un-stuffed etc. screen accurate AB - new picture

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:33 am

Here's Nick's aka Pagey's reg. AB as it looks now:

All he did was creasing it the way shown in his tutorial and wearing the excrementum out of it.

Looks awesome to me.

Regards,

Marc

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:23 am

Outstanding!!!!!

Wonder if I can send him every hat I own for a Raiders workover... hmm...

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:44 pm

We could all use lessons from Pagey. I think he could take a sow's ear and turn it into a silk purse!!

Fedora

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:11 pm

I'm a little more impressed with his computer skills. That pic is GREAT!

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:19 pm

I'm a little more impressed with his computer skills. That pic is GREAT!

I agree. Hard to tell that Nick wasn't the actor who portrayed the character!! It looks so......genuine. Fedora

golpeo_rapidamente · Post by **golpeo_rapidamente** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:04 pm

i was thinkig creepy or eery (someone spellcheck that)

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:39 pm

Well, that's a nice picture., well done! He should buy an oversized AB, pleat it, cinch it, fold the sweat and stuff it a little. Then this dream would be reality.

But it looks to me like this picture was used, and, backtilt was photoshopped in.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:40 pm

No disrespect to our good friend Pagey but 3Thou is right. The hatshape has been idealized. Its a cool pic though. Would'nt mind one of myself

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:25 pm

tilted the pic maybe.

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:44 am

I think Marc was just clowning, but it demonstrates you don't get back bulge/tilt without doing something special.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:57 am

Pagey told me, that he did NOT photoshop anything on the hat. I have no reason to distrust him.

Regards,

Marc

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:36 am

I think if there was a contest as to who posted the most posthumously, Langpuss would get the vote hands down.

I've never seen anyone who wasn't a member post so much.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:44 am

you don't get back bulge/tilt without doing something special.

Yes, I agree. The felt above the ribbon bulges out on the top of the ribbon, as if the ribbon has been tightened on the top side, and then the softness of the felt allows for the hat to bulge.(you can clearly see the top of the ribbon move inward, and the felt bulging above it) But, if you think the back of the hat actually has a true reverse taper, you are mistaken. Look at the bottom of the ribbon, and then draw a line upwards. Optical illusion going on here. Only when the top part of the hat is farther out than the bottom is reverse taper present. IMHO, there is a bulge there, but it is not true reverse taper, only a bulge. And I understand this is what 3M$ has been after-for years. He has upsized his hats in order to get it. And that is one way. The other way is to locate the felt used on the Raiders fedora, and you could pull this off by tightening the ribbon on the top edge, and then sittin' on the hat. My own vintage HJ does this, and still fits-comfortably I might add.

There are more than one way to skin a cat, as 3M$ has proven. But, the real Raiders fedora did not need the extra effort. It is all in the felt. Fedora

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:45 am

I've never seen anyone who wasn't a member post so much.

Yeah, talented folks have a way of showing their work, even when not a member anymore.

Cream always rises to the top, regardless of whether it wants to be there or not.

Fedora

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:07 pm

But, the real Raiders fedora did not need the extra effort. It is all in the felt.

I couldn't agree more.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:44 pm

Marc wrote:Pagey told me, that he did NOT photoshop anything on the hat. I have no reason to distrust him.

Regards,

Marc

Well you can certainly see that the rear of the hat has been modified from my tilted example when compared to the pic posted at the top of the thread. Clearly the bulge has been created at the rear of the ribbon and the rear brim profile has been changed as well. He may have used some morphing blend in to superimpose his mug over Harry's rather than purposfully go in and monkey with it but it definately is not the same in the rear. It is likely he morphed his face in because remenants of Harry's hair in the back and the flesh under his chin in the same in the original and the pagey version. It's a cool pic but just not accurate in regards to pagey's hat.
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Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:13 pm

Ok, TIME OUT! The whole point of the pic is a fun bit of photoshop play, it's not supposed to be some sort of scientific proof as to the shape of a hat! Sheesh! Get a grip and enjoy it at face value.

If you want to get analytical it's obvious that the back of the neck is Ford's as the back of Pagey's in the original is deep in shadow. Makes sense that some of the brim and the bulge at the back would show through if you superimposed Pagey's on Ford's head.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:28 pm

No worries here. I'm just pointing out what I see. I have no animosity toward anyone in pointing out either. Its a cool pic, just not accuratly representative of what you would get alone from following his very respectable and admirable bashing. It's no big deal.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:52 am

Completely un-photoshopped this time:

Regards,

Marc

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:07 am

Fantastic look hat and bashing job ( as always) but not the same hat in the Pagey photoshop photo.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:37 pm

What's the difference?

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:46 pm

the area ( at the back of the hat) from the brim to the top of the ribbon is tapper in then starts a reverse tapper at that point ( photoshop pic).

The same area goes straight from brim to the top of the hat ( in the other two pics).

VP · Post by VP » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:21 am

I can see some reverse taper in the last photo, not as much as in the first one though. Perhaps it gets more RT when he puts it on?

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:04 am

Here's the back of my Regular Federation, the one in my motion avatar. You can see the indication of a folded sweat with a bit of stuffing, under the ribbon, then the tightened ribbon causeing the felt above it to bulge out. The folded sweat and stuffing ALLOWS the tightened ribbon to have an effect. If the hat wasn't oversized, there wouldn't be a gap between my head and the crown for the tightened ribbon to close.

-- I think maybe the hat Marc last pictured is one of his AB Deluxes', and that hat has a 360 stovepipe crown- great for backtilt, but I think the front view is too non tapered and square cornered. Fedora's AB's have front and back taper when open crowned, probably less than a Federation. When I put the pleat in the crown under the ribbon in the right front dent, and tighten the ribbon, my Federation ends up with a crown shape somewhere between an AB and an AB Deluxe. ... As far as the Raiders hat having some exceptional felt quality, I'd have to agree with that, but I'm not ready to admit the Raiders hat didn't need to have the same mods my Fed has. .... I think the back of my hat is very close to the Raiders hat-

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:25 am

No, I haven't made an AB-Deluxe for Pagey and I haven't reblocked his reg. AB neither, so this is a reg. AB as they come.

Regards,

Marc

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:40 am

I can see some reverse taper in the last photo, not as much as in the first one though. Perhaps it gets more RT when he puts it on?
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that may very well be. I know pagey changed the way he wears his hats. He wear them a little higher on his head than he used to. That could be the thing that I'm missing.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:19 pm

I think the back of my hat is very close to the Raiders hat-

Yep, you nailed that look for sure. Good work!!! Fedora

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