New Wested Authentic Lambskin Question

[rick5150]

I can't get over how much lighter the new Wested lambskin appears. The movie jacket looked almost black at times. Has anybody treated their new lamb with Pecards yet and if so, how does that change the color? It doesn't seem that even darkening that shade would yield a "blacker" color.

I have just placed an order for the jacket, but I think I prefer the darker color. I will have to decide once I see it in person, I guess... If Peter says it is spot on, then it is spot on. I am just curious to other opinions...

[Pyroxene]

See that's my question.

If that leather is authentic, and it looks so dark on screen, then what did all the other gear look like?

Just wondering
Pyr.

[Harry Steele]

Peter would be the one to know if the new color is authentic, but I prefer the darker brown -- maybe the authentic for second Wested...

Pyroxene, you raise an interesting question about the true color value of other gear. I remember reading a while back that producers of one TV cop show (SWAT?) had to change the uniform color to a lighter blue because the typical navy police blue was filming black, and they didn't want the police to look like Nazi stormtroopers.

Of course, if Indy had been filmed in black and white we'd really be confused! Hey -- a true film noir Indy ... that's an idea.

Cheers,
Harry

[MK]

Sure, it had tappered and some other attributes had changed, but one of the main reasons was that we were all so sure that it was supposed to be a six inch crown. You can read more about this in the fedora forum.

Anyway.....I do believe this color is right on the money. There are times in the film when the jacket looks almost black......because he is in a dark room or cave. The same can be said for the ribbon. You have to see a fair amount of light on it to see that it is not black.

Look at Chris's photo:



Does this look wrong to you? Looks great to me.

[Pyroxene]

Looks pretty good. I can't wait to see it in person.

Indy_Chris' model looks great. I would add some curl to the brim of the hat and some distressing to the jacket and it would be on the money.

Pyro.

[Indiana Joe]

MK,

That being the authentic color, it sure does look darker in that setting, at least on my monitor.

I.J.

[manwithhat]

My Wested LC lambskin purchased in 2000 is a dark brown that can look almost black at times, in certain types of light. I’ve never used Pecard’s on it (except once for a particularly nasty scratch), and it’s actually lightened a little over the years, but not much. I’d say I’m only up to ten on the “fifty mission look” scale.

[Bogie1943]

God I love that jacket, it just blows away my Wested Cowhide, I can not wait very much longer to order one of my own. Everything about it is perfect, the way it hangs, the color, the pattern, wow, Peter I have to say you have done it, that is a work of art. Only thing I am not sold on is lining, my currect Wested has all cotton. Should I get Cotton/Satin on the new one or all satin?

[Fedora]

That cotton/satin is wonderful. It allows easy entry of the arms while providing for a little cooler jacket for 3 season wear. I wouldn't buy one any other way after living with my new one for the last week. Fedora

[Bogie1943]

I am looking at the durability factor of all satin. I am going for a 100% Raiders Wested this time around, so I am leaning towards all satin, your thoughts?

[Michaelson]

Best example I can offer is the scene down in the Well of Souls. Indy is on top of the statue, trying to topple it through the wall. You can plainly see the lining in his jacket.....cotton, so a 100% satin would not be totally Raiders correct. It's all based on what scene and which jacket Indy is wearing at the time. Regards. Michaelson

[Rixter]

Since I’m mostly familiar with USWings/Avirex lambskin A-2’s, where, in comparison would the new Wested lambskin fall on the color spectrum. Would it be darker, lighter, more gray, etc. And then how would the older dark Wested lambskin compare with the USWings/Avirex A-2 lambskins

Also, how does the FS dark brown lambskin compare to both Wested offerings and the lambkins on the USWings/Avirex A-2’s.

Finally, for some reason I’ve always considered the USWings and the Avirex military style jackets pretty much one and the same. Are there any differences to speak of between the two.

Thank you.

[Indiana Joe]

It's all based on what scene and which jacket Indy is wearing at the time. Regards. Michaelson

Michaelson,

I agree that it's based on the scene. I guess that's why some specify their fedora bash as LC Venice scene or Raiders Cairo scene (oops, wrong section).

My point is that it would seem to me that one could easily pick the Well of Souls scene and say, "cotton." Could not someone else pick another scene and say, "satin?" If I'm understanding your previous post, I think that's what you were saying by mentioning, "based on what scene and which jacket Indy is wearing at the time."

Maybe we have to start stating the specific scene for our jackets too? I have a Raiders truck chase jacket or Raiders Well of Souls jacket. It may sound silly but the bottom line there is no one diffinitive jacket that is going to be screen accurate for ALL of the scenes.

I.J.

[IndyPip]

Definitive hat or jacket! I don't believe it's possible to get either.

There were so many shapes, cuts, bashes, and studio adjustments it is - IMHO - impossible to say what is the ultimate hat or jacket.

I do tend to follow the line of thought that the jackets were made with all cotton linings (I think Peter states this himself).
I reckon Michaelson was suggesting a scene where you can see the lining and that it is cotton, as opposed to a scene where it was cotton (does that make sense?).

Just my 2p's worth (sorry right out of sense, oops, I mean cents)

[cliffhanger]

Watching Raiders on AMC last night, a good shot of the lining is the Idol scene, when Indy takes the sandbag out of his satchel. You can see the inside of the jacket clearly with the lighting and all, and it is cotton.

By the way, my Wested is cotton with sating sleeves, and IMO it's the way to go, as it provides ease of donning and doffing with long sleeves.

Peace,
Cliffhanger

[PETER]

It WAS Cotton Silesia lining.
On the original it also had cotton on the inside facing of the collar which
can clearly be seen. We do not do this now unless specially requested.
It is obvious thar we would not put cotton on the collar and satin in the lining.
Just trying to help
Cheers
Peter

[Michaelson]

Some folks though, INSIST that the jacket worn, say, in the flying wing fight scene HAD to have satin lining, due to the way it kept sliding off Ford's shoulders. I gave up the fight years ago trying to convince folks it had always been cotton, quoting you as the source. (check the old Indyfan archieves) That's what I'm basing what I said above, if you want satin as has been argued before, you can use the argument (urgan legend?) that the jacket was satin lined in several scenes, but if you REALLY want to see the lining in a specific jacket, as worn BY Ford, I mention the scene from the Well of Souls that you can SEE the lining clearly, and it WAS cotton. If you want to have a real live and true Raiders depection, you have to order cotton., and Peter has confirmed same above. That's what I was trying to say, and as usual, very badly. Regards. Michaelson

[schwammy]

Right. I just watched the flying wing fight in slo-mo last night, and there's a point where the jacket flips up in back and the lining is visible - and it's cotton, not satin, not chintz.

I think the jacket sliding around is more a function of the floppy, lightweight, authentic lambskin than the lining.

[Bogie1943]

I think I will go with full cotton, it's what I have now and works just fine for me, durable, rugged, and just makes the jacket feel more adventurous.