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Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:52 pm

Check out the Raiders fedora. I think this shot came from France. Looks kinda tapered!!! Fedora

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:00 pm

kind of, yes

Thanks for reassuring all the owners of tapered hats Steve

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:04 pm

I've never seen that. The brim doesn't have hardly any swoop to it either.
Is France where the Bantu Wind was? Looks like a ship off to the left.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:50 pm

Looks like an U-boat to me, the vessel on the left.

Guess it's a pic from La Rochelle...

inexpensive_jones · Post by **inexpensive_jones** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:04 pm

I think the taper you're seeing in that shot is caused by the wide angle lense more than the hat itself. That should always be taken into consideration when viewing images. Another scene that overdramatizes the taper (on a different hat) is the cockpit scene in TOD. A very wide angle lens was used to shoot that scene.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:16 pm

inexpensive_jones wrote:Another scene that overdramatizes the taper (on a different hat) is the cockpit scene in TOD. A very wide angle lens was used to shoot that scene.

That, and the back of the hat is crumpled after Willie's wake-up call, warping the crown to that fiendish ToD-taper...

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:19 pm

Thanks for posting this pic. It was taken on the set for the docks of the Bantu Wind which you see off to the left. They took it to send to screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan, hence the typewriter. You can find this pic in the French, LF Insider, Raiders 20th anniversary issue. Now take a look at something else.

Notice how it is a plain, white sheet of typing paper and how Indy's shirt is NOT white at all.

To all you whitewashing, dye happy gearheads out there...Noel Howard had it right all along. Indy's shirt was NOT white.

Here endeth the lesson.

Antone · Post by **Antone** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:41 pm

Fedora wrote: Looks kinda tapered!!! Fedora

Actually, last time I watched Raiders I was noticing how in several shots the hat does look just a little tapered, depending on the camera angle...just like my AB looks tapered from certain angles. I think it's partially the camera angle, and partially slight variations in the bashes and distressing of the different film hats.

I gotta agree with Steve about how we tend to exaggerate the features of the Raiders fedora, based on how it looked in certain scenes; I found that half the time that hat didn't look much like the image I'd built up in my head, when I really paid attention to the film.

On the other hand, some of those super-stovepipe, extra-Cairo hats people have made look pretty darn great, even is they aren't 100% screen accurate, so I can't be too picky. If it's a hat someone plans to wear on a regular basis, I think looking good on the wearer should come before screen accuracy. My favorite thing about fedoras is the way they get personalized through use, which for me is the main appeal of the Raiders hat; the character it acquired through hard use, even if some of that was artificially simulated.

Antone

SkyChief · Post by **SkyChief** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:29 am

agent5 wrote:Notice how it is a plain, white sheet of typing paper and how Indy's shirt is NOT white at all.

To all you whitewashing, dye happy gearheads out there...Noel Howard had it right all along. Indy's shirt was NOT white.

Amen!

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:47 am

The Bantu Wind is not visible in that pic. I'm sure she was moored nearby, but the pic shows the full-scale U-96 "on loan" from Wolfgang Petersen's movie... note the flood holes, anchor, the angle between the casing and pressure hull and the conning tower in the background - that's the U-boat.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:54 pm

Notice how it is a plain, white sheet of typing paper and how Indy's shirt is NOT white at all.

To all you whitewashing, dye happy gearheads out there...Noel Howard had it right all along. Indy's shirt was NOT white.

Wow, it looks identical to my NH shirt!!!

I also have a few other Raider pics not normally seen, but cannot post them as photobucket refuses to upload the !cid extension of the jpg. I am not smart enough to figure it out. Be glad to email them to someone with the knowledge to post them here. Thanks Laurent. Fedora

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:57 pm

You can send them to me Steve, you should have my email address

Anyway I've always said that the raiders shirt was the exact color in all the three films (khaki) and it's the same colour still offered by NH... he clearly said he never changed the colour for all the three films! But you know... people are hard to change mind about something so radicated!

Or maybe I never said because it was competely useless... I think it's a well known fact that NH said that the shirt was not white but khaki. If NH's words never convinced most of our high members... how could I have?

Harrison_Davies · Post by **Harrison_Davies** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:13 pm

Here you go Steve,

I've also emailed them to you....

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:03 pm

agent5 wrote:Thanks for posting this pic. It was taken on the set for the docks of the Bantu Wind which you see off to the left. They took it to send to screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan, hence the typewriter. You can find this pic in the French, LF Insider, Raiders 20th anniversary issue. Now take a look at something else.

Notice how it is a plain, white sheet of typing paper and how Indy's shirt is NOT white at all.

To all you whitewashing, dye happy gearheads out there...Noel Howard had it right all along. Indy's shirt was NOT white.

Here endeth the lesson.

Where did the original Raiders shirts made by Andre Dometakis come into play then. Even Noel has said his didn't match Andre's in color, as Andre's was totally custom made, each considered a 'one off', and he had his own fabric sources.

I was never drawn to the shirt debates,as one worked about as well as another for me, but this was one of those 'ringers' that, like the hat, I've always wondered if we'd see one vendor's shirt in one scene, and another manufactured shirt by a completely different vendor in another.

Before we bog this fedora string down into a general gear discussion, if one of you (agent5?) would be so kind to drag these shirt photos into the general gear section, the shirt discussion could continue there, and leave this one to it's tapered hat discussion.

Regards! Michaelson

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:07 pm

Fedora! You're a genius!!! I've been looking for that picture for ages, and you found it!

agent5 wrote:Thanks for posting this pic. It was taken on the set for the docks of the Bantu Wind which you see off to the left. They took it to send to screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan, hence the typewriter. You can find this pic in the French, LF Insider, Raiders 20th anniversary issue. Now take a look at something else.

Notice how it is a plain, white sheet of typing paper and how Indy's shirt is NOT white at all.

To all you whitewashing, dye happy gearheads out there...Noel Howard had it right all along. Indy's shirt was NOT white.

Here endeth the lesson.

That's right! The colour of my NH shirt looks exactly like that!

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:49 pm

Harrison_Davies wrote:Here you go Steve,

I've also emailed them to you....

Wow, I'd always seen the knocked out guy by the hole where they come out, and wondered if there was a cut scene. I guess this picture is it!

Great other "rare" pictures that at least I haven't seen many of.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:40 pm

Again, thanks to Laurent, alias Doc Reviera. He has been trying to get back here on the forum and is having a hard time. Mods???

Fedora

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:52 pm

Fedora's pics for you...

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:01 pm

Thanks. Looks like the TOD hat in the photo here is linerless. At least no white liner. Hard to call though due to the shadow. Thanks again to Laurent. I used to have most of these pics, but lost them in a crash a few years ago. Nice to get them again for the archives. Fedora

Oh, I believe that last shot there is the stuntman.

VP · Post by VP » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:30 pm

More great pictures here: http://perso.orange.fr/jones-jr/rotla_coupees.html

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:39 pm

Fedora wrote:I used to have most of these pics, but lost them in a crash a few years ago.

It's really unpleasent when it happens

:evil:

VP · Post by VP » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:41 pm

Come on, who really cares about some old warez Twilight Zone episodes?

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:43 pm

VP wrote:Come on, who really cares about some old warez Twilight Zone episodes?

well after this message VP, I wonder if you really keep an archive of all of us! Or is it just very good memory?

VP · Post by VP » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:45 pm

I am a machine, you know. It's a shame that the mods deleted that post.

DanielJones · Post by **DanielJones** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:27 am

Great Photos y'all. Keep them coming.

Cheers!

Dan

VP · Post by VP » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:07 am

Harrison_Davies wrote:

That one is flipped, BTW.

Harrison_Davies · Post by **Harrison_Davies** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:17 pm

Studio photgraphers tut tut!

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:04 pm

Harrison, thank you so much for providing that stunning picture of Indy.

(Elodie has a similar one that she has posted before)

It would be great if you and Erri could add those photos here, so we have em' all in one place.

viewtopic.php?t=16922&highlight=pictures

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:35 pm

Canyon wrote:Harrison, thank you so much for providing that stunning picture of Indy. (Elodie has a similar one that she has posted before)

It would be great if you and Erri could add those photos here, so we have em' all in one place.

viewtopic.php?t=16922&highlight=pictures

Maybe we should just open a thread about RARE PICS from RAIDERS or we can just move these also in that thread you linked. Fedora opened this thread, he should choose what to do on here I think

Thanks for the link Canyon. I forgot about that topic

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