Get Them Replica Guns While Ya Can, UK Gearheads

Arizona Smith · Post by **Arizona Smith** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 1:12 pm

Crackdown on replica guns in the UK as part of new Government strategy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640221.stm

Dear, oh dear.

Cheers
Arizona

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:10 pm

I am curious as to when gun law became as strict as they are in the UK. Was there an event that, excuse the pun, triggered those law to be made?

Just curious.

Arizona Smith · Post by **Arizona Smith** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:20 pm

Pyro

Most recent example was a gangland shooting in Birmingham a few days back in which two teenage girls died.

While this maybe commonplace in the parts of the States, it dominates the news here.

I believe it was a spree killing -- Hungerford Massacre -- in the 80s which kicked off the gun crackdown seriously.

I'm all for gun control, I must admit. But replica guns? Come on.

AS

geordie jones · Post by **geordie jones** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:26 pm

Yeah, the event is now refered to the Dunblane massacre, it happened in March 1996. A guy called Thomas Hamilton entered a school and started shooting killing children and teachers.

A sad day, even for those not directly effected.

Arizona Smith · Post by **Arizona Smith** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:09 pm

Actually, Dunblane was another terrible incident entirely. Took place in Scotland. Hungerford is in England.

AS

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:10 pm

Sad for those involved and uninvolved alike. The main problem is that you get govenment officials involved that believe to solve these problems, a wide brush of total 'bans' will solve problems, personal and civil rights be darned, and things like the replica gun 'control' is yet another stab at attempting to solve a problem with strange tactics. I read in a recently posted article out of London where officials were blaming owners of cell phones as being the chief culprits in a rash of personal attacks on individuals owning same. The article stated that the cell phone owner was the cause of attacks from low life thieves wanting their phone, and anyone showing a cell phone in their possession was asking for trouble and should not hold anyone to blame but themselves should an attack occur. Strange....the victim was totally responsible for the attack simply because they owned a cell phone!? Talk about a topsy turvy world! One wonders where these politicians (UK, USA alike) who help pass laws to protect us from ourselves come UP with this stuff? Worse yet, why do we ALLOW them to do this TO us?

Regards. Michaelson

Magnum · Post by **Magnum** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:40 pm

Michaelson, you took the words out of my mouth. Perfectly said.

These politicians can just try to ban guns, or replica guns for that matter, in the USA.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:49 pm

...it's been done in some municipalities, I'm afraid. You can't ship any replica guns to places like New York City, and haven't been able for years. Regards. Michaelson

Cooler King · Post by **Cooler King** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:50 pm

In the words of my mentor... "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." - The Renderingking

It won't solve the problem, if only the police have guns, and law abiding citizens like ourselves don't then what are we to do if someone breaks in? Call the police? They take forever! Just ask Eric, he's been there, he's been face to face with a guy who intended to do harm to him and his wife.

Taking from an essay I wrote two years back: "You cannot create laws to govern people who do not follow them." If you make a law to ban guns, only the people who don't follow and break the laws will have guns, and then the people will be defenceless.

Sad to see this happening, I only fear that gun control will soon make its way to the states... Let's just pray that never happens.

MK · Post by MK » Wed Jan 08, 2003 4:12 pm

Well said gentlemen. It is amazing that politicians are shocked that criminals are not obeying their bans.

Imagine that!

Henri Defense · Post by **Henri Defense** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 4:26 pm

The whole reason Airsoft guns were invented is because Japense people couldn't own the real thing! So they came up with a way so they could without breaking the rules...and last time I checked Airsoft was legal in Britian...now they're going to ban that?! Sad...

Henri

Arizona Smith · Post by **Arizona Smith** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 5:14 pm

I trust that Lee won't mind me posting, but UK gearheads should know that, in the light of this news, he may not be able to ship his excellent replica S&W to the UK. I'd advise anyone to double check with Lee and with UK customs before ordering.

On a brighter note, I look forward to reading about the sizeable dent in gun crime increase as a consequence of this latest eminently sensible proposal from our unimaginative, ineffective leadership.

Yours brandishing a cardboard cut-out (is that allowed?) S&W
Arizona

JPdesign · Post by **JPdesign** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 5:29 pm

A criminal has gun and is thinking orobbing a store. If everyone in the store is unarmed then it will be an easy target. If there is a good chance half the people in the store will be carrying concelled weapons he will probably think twice. I know the rate of people carrying isn't up to half, but maybe in the near future. I am glad I live in Texas.

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 5:42 pm

How come knives aren’t outlawed? There are far more accidental lethal stabbings there are accidental shootings, right? Where is the anti-knife lobby?

Also, here in America, you have a 4,000 percent greater chance then dying because of a Doctor’s error or a preventable infection during your stay in a Hospital, yet you don’t have Susan Sarandon demanding the ban on incompetent Doctors or dirty hospitals.

It’s Anti-constitutional to tell someone they can’t protect themselves or how. As I said before I live in a region where the response time is somewhere between 20-40 minutes when you call 911… that is if you don’t get the police answering machine.

I’ve said before, I’m pro-choice. Don’t want a gun… don’t buy one. Don’t dare tell us what we can or can’t have. In New Hampshire, we have a motto- “Live Free or Die”. As I was explaining to someone from “The Green Mountain State” it doesn’t always mean we would rather not live then be under tyrannical rule… it just means that if you oppress us you’ll suffer the consequences.

geordie jones · Post by **geordie jones** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 6:08 pm

If the criminal wants it badly enough it does not matter how much you try and ban or outlaw an item they will most certainly get it.

Through just a few lawless individuals, the lawful are always punished.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:27 am

They outlawed any kind of auto-firing gun in the city of Chicago. You can have shot-guns which must have plugs limiting you to 3 rounds and only .22 rifles are allowed. Luckily, I'm just over the city border so I can have as many assault rifles I want.

Do I go overboard? No. Can I? My constitution says YES! Still, the numbers DO NOT lie and they tell us that places that have a carry law have the lower crime rates. The states that HAVE the carry law. Yes folks. Yes. Bad guys do think twice if Grandma Ethell might be packing a Ruger.44 on her hip that he just can't see and she has every right to protect herself. Right on Ethell!! There have been a handful of cases where adults or even children have been shot by police when they had a replica weapon. This is a minority of cases. This is the reason you can't get toy guns anymore that look authentic. Now they're all green, orange and yellow.

Still, these small amount of cases changed everything and it seems in alot of cases that's all it takes.

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:48 am

All of you going on about how great it is to bear arms: I hate you all! :evil: Not because I disagree with you... because I've moved to New Zealand where people's jaws drop when they find out I'm carrying a pocket knife! I've had to leave my collection of pistols back in the States!

Anyone have any metal, gun-shaped, hollow statues laying around that I could borrow?

I'm, ah, kidding of course...

Unkind regards,
Indy

P.S. sorry about all the smily faces... this was a very emotional post.

Post by **Ken** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:02 am

Well to my knowledge as it stands at the moment is still is legal to own a replica gun in the UK and still should be under the new legislation provided that it is not carried in public without good reason and it is not capable of being converted at all to a weapon that can fire any kind of projectile.

Ken

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:46 am

My take is that firearms are the great equalizers. It is not about guns really, it is about them making us equal. This scares the #### out of authoritarian minded individuals. This is really the root of this whole question, in my opinion. Think about it. Fedora

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:00 am

Banning guns or curtailing the right to own them, or even replicas, is just wrong. It's really sad. I'm for owning guns of course, but I do think we should have laws (smart laws), that enforce penalties for misuse. Do we have too many gun laws? Definately. About 5 million too many. I know it's a dream, but wouldn't it be great if we could erase every gun law out there, and draft maybe 10 or so that make sense, that give law enforcers the power to enforce them, allow law abiding people the right to own them, and punish the law breakers using them for ill gotten games? Self defense is not a crime.... breaking into a bank with a gun is a crime. It isn't brain surgery.... so how come gun laws are so out of whack?

MK · Post by MK » Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:24 am

Though it is on rare occasion a different school of thought, I usually find it's due to a lack of experience and knowledge combined with an abundance of fear.

prettybigguy · Post by **prettybigguy** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:34 pm

geordie jones wrote:If the criminal wants it badly enough it does not matter how much you try and ban or outlaw an item they will most certainly get it.

Through just a few lawless individuals, the lawful are always punished.

Not to get even farther off topic, but this same arguement can be used for the "drug war"! Just think of all the $$$ being wasted in that whole mess!
Minnesota is right, there are too many gun laws. I'm all for arming the public. Criminals would DEFINATLY think twice about holding up a convenience store if they are not sure if the register clerk has a hog-leg behind the counter and that the store patrons are packing as well! Another advantage to this is that the criminals who are stupid enough to try would be eliminated and help "thin the herd".
PBG

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:49 pm

Just to add to Fedora's comments about Authoritarian minded individuals ...

Authoritarian minded individuals who become leaders relish the fact a lazy minded populace are too willing to give up tangible civil rights in exchange for a brief moment of perceived protection or security. Totalitarian leaders target those who take personal responsibility seriously, labeling civil libertarians as the villains because we serve as obstacles to their fiendish designs. Civil Libertarians and Conservatives deny the tyrannical rule of the masses and shun the whimsical popular opinion with forethought because of the expensive lessons history has taught us by professors such as Hitler and Stalin.

Anyone who would rally the cause of the termination of century old constitutional rights because of only recent social problems caused by criminals in our comminutes and in the legislature should be banished instead of being elevated to celebrity status. Banning law-abiding citizens from owning firearms is only a short-range answer... As an engineer would tell you, nothing is permanently solved with a quick and easy fix to complex problems, why would the same approach work when human nature is much less predictable then the Laws of Physics and Chemistry?

An armed and responsible public is an invisible asset to law enforcement that has been ignored for far too long.

Chamorro · Post by **Chamorro** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:26 pm

Speaking as a resident of The People's Republic of California ... don't all of you people know that the general public cannnot be trusted with firearms, tobacco, hard liquor, certain breeds of dogs, cel phones, SUVs, etc? You also can't be trusted to build you own home if the access road necessitates cutting down a tree.

Political Correctness has run amuck ... worldwide.

The pendulum has swung too far to the left. Some dynamite should nudge it back to the right a little ... oh wait ... we can't be trusted with explosives ...

Rixter · Post by **Rixter** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:27 pm

And what's even worst than banning guns is these stupid laws on banning nuclear, chemical, and bacterial weapons. Everyone should have free access to them in order to defend themselves properly. I mean, like, Governments “would DEFINATLY think twice” about threatening or blackmailing another Government if they were not sure if that Government had a hog-leg, er nuke, behind the counter and that it’s citizens were packing small amounts ricin as well! Another advantage to this is that evil doers who are stupid enough to try would soon be eliminated and help "thin the herd" and make room for us Civil Libertarians and Conservatives on an already crowded planet. The RIGHT shall prevail I always say.

ooO, that came off a bit sarcastic didn’t it. Guess I’m in a bad mood after waking up to the news this morning about the possibility of WWIII; and on top of it all I had to pay a one day late fee on my video rental. Nevermind!!!

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:39 pm

We have (at least in the US last I checked) the power of the ballot to help 'control' , or attempt to keep in check our government regarding the protection of our civil liberties, which the ownership of firearms falls under. We have limited voice (it seems) regarding what you're talking about the creation and 'ownership' of nuclear and chemical agents to enact total warfare on communities, rather than the one on one contact firearms ownership creates, so the 'control' is limited there. As to your videotape late fee, you 100% TOTAL control of that, so let's not got there.

Regards. Michaelson

The_Edge · Post by **The_Edge** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:13 pm

Arizona Smith wrote:Pyro

Most recent example was a gangland shooting in Birmingham a few days back in which two teenage girls died.

While this maybe commonplace in the parts of the States, it dominates the news here.
AS

Oh, yes. You're absolutely right. I wake up every morning to a daily cacophony of gangland gunfire. I don’t even notice it anymore, really.

-Kyle

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:32 pm

What I find most annoying is having to shovel the spent shells and bullets off our sidewalk every week. Really fouls up the lawn mower blades too. (grins) (Yes, Arizonia, we're just teasing you, my friend)

High regards. Michaelson

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:30 pm

Planet of the Apes* reject Michael Jackson hangs his baby off the fifth floor balcony and it's news for weeks. A nightclub gets blown up in Israel or Indonesia killing a dozen or so people makes the news for less then a day unless there are no other sensational news stories. Our nations' outrage needs to be put back into proper perspective while Jacko is put back in his cage with Bubbles.

*If you’re offended by that “racest” comment… remember he paid millions of dollars to bleach his skin and butcher his face to look like Hillena Botham Carter in the Tim Burton flick, not me.

Henry Jones Sr. · Post by **Henry Jones Sr.** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:39 pm

Michaelson wrote:...it's been done in some municipalities, I'm afraid. You can't ship any replica guns to places like New York City, and haven't been able for years. Regards. Michaelson

And to show you how bad and far-reaching this gets, as a person occasionally involved in musical theatre (if you couldn't tell before, this thread is going everywhere!), you would go

at the tale of how difficult it is for a professional community theatre company to purchase blank-firing replicas (i.e. authentic-looking replicas that cannot be made to fire real ammunition) and have them shipped to California for use in a theatrical production. Check the Western Stage Props Catalog re. their policies on shipping blank-firing weapons....

This may not be at the core of this thread, or maybe it is.... Just two slightly rattled cents worth....

Henry Jones Sr.

The_Edge · Post by **The_Edge** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:52 pm

One time while I was visiting Vegas I stopped by Western Stage Props to chat with Mark Allen. When I got there a couple stunt men from California were there picking up some supplies which included, but was not limited to, blank firing guns. They had to drive all the way from Hollywood to get these guns because of the law that prop guns can not be shipped to CA. However, it is perfectly legal for them to buy the guns there and then drive them back across the border.

FUBAR.

-Kyle

MaryonRavenwood · Post by **MaryonRavenwood** » Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:17 am

OK, here's my .02 on this whole thread, which seems to have evolved to include many issues pertaining to the ownership of both replica and real guns. My POV on real guns basically goes like this:

I respect anyone who does not believe in firearms or owning them. That is a personal choice, and I have found that it is very difficult to change a person's opinion on anything, much less a heated issue such as this. So here's my standpoint on gun ownership, purely as statement, and not intended to try and change anyone's mind. As a 23-year-old female, who is going to be going off to graduate school on her own next year, and walking alone late at night back from libraries, gigs, etc., carrying very expensive musical instruments, I intend to get a small firearm for personal protection. The fact of the matter is, pepper spray may slow a rapist or murderer down, but it's not going to stop him, it'll just ultimately make him more ticked off. And tasers that are available for the public to buy just don't cut it. I want to have the security of knowing that if someone intends to do me bodily harm, I can do something about it. Of course, I wouldn't want to take a human life (or any life, for that matter), but if some freak tries to rape me or kill me, I'm sure as h#ll going to defend myself with lethal force if necessary. I know most of the members of this forum are men, and you guys probably don't worry about the possibility of being raped as members of the female gender do. Or maybe you do, if you have a wife or girlfriend that you love. In any event, the sad reality is that there are really deranged people in this world who would commit rape and murder, and I am an especially likely target for such actions. I want to be able to defend myself by all means necessary. There have been several accounts which I have read in the past several years which have convinced me that, at least for me, carrying a firearm for personal protection is a choice that I must make (for example, testimonies at: http://www.wagc.com , and Renderking's account of why he and his wife are alive today.)

As I said, this is not intended to change anyone's mind. This is just my own personal view on a very complex and heated matter.

My best regards to all--Maryon

geordie jones · Post by **geordie jones** » Sat Jan 11, 2003 3:07 pm

Well put, and I wholly agree.

Rabittooth · Post by **Rabittooth** » Sat Jan 11, 2003 3:50 pm

Michaelson wrote:...it's been done in some municipalities, I'm afraid. You can't ship any replica guns to places like New York City, and haven't been able for years. Regards. Michaelson

Yeah...it's brilliant. Ban the replica and toy guns...but let the criminals keep the real ones.

-Rabittooth

MaryonRavenwood · Post by **MaryonRavenwood** » Sat Jan 11, 2003 5:39 pm

Of course, most guns used to commit a murder or other crime are obtained through illegal channels. It's much, much more likely that, say, a gang member for example, is buying his guns out of the trunk of a car than at the local sporting goods store. The vast majority of people (but yes, not all) who obtain a firearm through legal means are not the ones who are the reason why such restrictions are imposed in the first place.
Regards--Maryon

IndianaBlues · Post by **IndianaBlues** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:12 am

I think one of the reasons there's been a sudden clamp-down in guns of any kind (whether they fire or not) in the UK was due to last week's figures that stated that in the past year crimes involving guns had gone up 35% over the previous year. That's quite a large figure, and I think it created a government knee-jerk reaction.

Looks like I'll have to make do with a walkie-talkie

IndianaBlues · Post by **IndianaBlues** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:16 am

This was quite interesting also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2656875.stm

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:50 am

[quote="elnjb1"]I think one of the reasons there's been a sudden clamp-down in guns of any kind (whether they fire or not) in the UK was due to last week's figures that stated that in the past year crimes involving guns had gone up 35% over the previous year. That's quite a large figure, and I think it created a government knee-jerk reaction. [quote]

Typical reaction to any problem by bureaucratic fools… knee jerk reaction! Swing too far to the other direction and punish those not responsible for the crimes but who are the most responsible in paying the taxes, obeying the laws. Rinse Then Repeat.

Post by **Ken** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:14 am

Well here is the replica I eventually got. It seems that for us in the UK its easiest just to cirumvent customs and excise by ordering from within the UK. The replica is a blank firer but perfectly legal and in accordance with all the current legislation as I made sure before purchasing. I didnt get any blanks for it since I really just wanted the look of it. I suppose it is not the most accuarate copy but I think its fairly good, from the selection in the UK anyway.

No plans to take it out in public though! Don't want anyone getting the wrong idea. I am assuming that Indygear comes under the categoray of 'Historical re-enactment' (it was set during the 30s) so that is, according to one of the above articles, a legitimate and justifiable reason anyway.

Ken

IndianaBlues · Post by **IndianaBlues** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:27 am

Where did you get it from? We could always gang together in a muddy field and pretend to be historically re-enacting Time-Team digs and the like...the guns would be for mummys, werewolves, vampires, cybermen and the like...

Post by **Ken** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:27 am

I ordered from:

http://www.phoenixguns.co.uk/index.htm

They have quite an extensive range from real, but deactivated guns (expensive and I'm not taking any chances) to replica, blank firing... both the Co2 and Airsoft guns I was told are plastic and not so realistic. The blank firer I ordered is heavy like a real gun.

If you do go ahead to purchase make sure to speak with Stewart Hardy. Very affable and friendly chap. Also if you do want to order make sure you have several choices because it appears not all the items pictured on the site are always available or attainable and some maybe only in certain finishes.

Good luck with it anyhow. And I love the time team idea! We could re-enact Last Crusade bring in tanks or reconstruct or modern understanding of what the grail temple looked like, all in a muddy field of course

Ken

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:57 pm

MaryonRavenwood wrote:As a 23-year-old female, who is going to be going off to graduate school on her own next year, and walking alone late at night back from libraries, gigs, etc., carrying very expensive musical instruments, I intend to get a small firearm for personal protection. The fact of the matter is, pepper spray may slow a rapist or murderer down, but it's not going to stop him, it'll just ultimately make him more ticked off. And tasers that are available for the public to buy just don't cut it. I want to have the security of knowing that if someone intends to do me bodily harm, I can do something about it. Of course, I wouldn't want to take a human life (or any life, for that matter), but if some freak tries to rape me or kill me, I'm sure as h#ll going to defend myself with lethal force if necessary. I know most of the members of this forum are men, and you guys probably don't worry about the possibility of being raped as members of the female gender do. Or maybe you do, if you have a wife or girlfriend that you love.

Maryon, allow me to agree with you in every single way. As you have said, the majority of people here are male and are not in the same vulnerable position as us females are.

As someone from the UK, and someone who doesn't live in a country where guns are commonplace, I can't help but feel that clamping down on fake guns is a bad idea. It's not fair that because of a bunch of criminals abuse guns that the rest of us have to suffer. :evil:

Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:11 pm

I was told by my cousin in Ireland that now, since guns are all but banned, the less savory individuals who would do harm unto others for their own benefit are going around sticking people with syringes full of blood, demanding money. Now, personally, I'd much rather be shot by a gun then shot up with someone's random blood. At least a gunshot is either finite rather quickly or can be healed up (most of the time--paralysis is common, too, but even THAT would be better then dying slowly of AIDS or some other similar virus).

Too much democracy is the problem; Politicians run the country on opinion poles, not principles. And people wo determine the outcome of those opinion poles (the average joe) are generally easilly swayed by media, movie stars, etc. So when an opinion pole goes one way, so goes the government.

Regards,

Farn

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:13 pm

As someone from the UK, and someone who doesn't live in a country where guns are commonplace, I can't help but feel that clamping down on fake guns is a bad idea. It's not fair that because of a bunch of criminals abuse guns that the rest of us have to suffer.

....Canyon

Well said, Canyon! I believe you made the point exactly with your comments. I could not have said it better myself.

Ron

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:14 pm

My condolences to our friends in the U.K. I truly wish there were something I could do to assist you in this.

Ron

English Adventurer · Post by **English Adventurer** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:41 pm

Don't get me started on this topic, it's too sad and gets me angry too quickly.

My condolences to our friends in the U.K. I truly wish there were something I could do to assist you in this

Yes there is, help me emmigrate to a free country!

Ian

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:08 pm

Ian, would love to have you on this side of "The Pond"! BTW, do you have a military background?

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:09 pm

RonC wrote:
As someone from the UK, and someone who doesn't live in a country where guns are commonplace, I can't help but feel that clamping down on fake guns is a bad idea. It's not fair that because of a bunch of criminals abuse guns that the rest of us have to suffer.
....Canyon

Well said, Canyon! I believe you made the point exactly with your comments. I could not have said it better myself.

Ron

Thanks!

Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:10 pm

Charlton Heston had a great quote in a speech he delivered in Vancouver--"You may not be completley free while you have guns. But I can guarantee you will never be free at all without them".

Spot on, Charlie.

Regards,

Farn

Henry Jones Sr. · Post by **Henry Jones Sr.** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:56 pm

Michaelson wrote:Sad for those involved and uninvolved alike. The main problem is that you get govenment officials involved that believe to solve these problems, a wide brush of total 'bans' will solve problems, personal and civil rights be darned, and things like the replica gun 'control' is yet another stab at attempting to solve a problem with strange tactics. I read in a recently posted article out of London where officials were blaming owners of cell phones as being the chief culprits in a rash of personal attacks on individuals owning same. The article stated that the cell phone owner was the cause of attacks from low life thieves wanting their phone, and anyone showing a cell phone in their possession was asking for trouble and should not hold anyone to blame but themselves should an attack occur. Strange....the victim was totally responsible for the attack simply because they owned a cell phone!? Talk about a topsy turvy world! One wonders where these politicians (UK, USA alike) who help pass laws to protect us from ourselves come UP with this stuff? Worse yet, why do we ALLOW them to do this TO us? Regards. Michaelson

Michaelson:

Sincere regards,

Henry Jones, Sr.

Get Them Replica Guns While Ya Can, UK Gearheads

Get Them Replica Guns While Ya Can, UK Gearheads

Sad indeed

Well...

I've had enough!

It's all about the amount of 'control'

Same here

Re: Well...

Re: Well...

Re: Sad indeed