mini-Indy-on-a-Budget; UPDATE-now in 12-plait

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:30 pm

Here's a pic of Indiana-Texas Girl's new hatband. It's made from kangaroo, but built just like the large IOAB whips and it does crack.

So, we went from pocket bullwhip, to wrist whip, and now a hat whip (though I admit the idea of a small whip that you wear on the hat is nothing new)

-Adam
www.myspace.com/adamwinrich

Darth V.A.D.E.R · Post by **Darth V.A.D.E.R** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:45 pm

Nice whip Adam!How long is that beauty?
Congrats ITG

Darth

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:04 pm

38 inches long, not including the fall, popper, or wrist loop.

-Adam

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:16 pm

COOL!!! How much does somethng like that cost?

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Fri May 19, 2006 2:48 am

WINRICH!! That is too cool!! I assume she'll have it by the Midnight Movie Raiders showing here in Dallas? I've GOT to see this one! How many plaits is it? Can you make one with more plaiting (for a little more detail?), and yes, indeed, how much?

TR

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Fri May 19, 2006 3:29 am

Looks like a 4 plait to me. The IOABs are 4 plaits, so I understand, so if this is a mini IOAB...well, you get the picture. It's a really cool whip, congrats ITG!

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:10 am

TR,

Yes, I probably could make another bullwhip like this one in finer plaits, though I'd have to think a little bit about the cost.

ITG got a deal on this one as it was the first 'mini-IOAB', but if I had to do it again I would want $50.

-Adam

Herr Jones · Post by **Herr Jones** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:33 am

Nice work Adam! How heavy is it? This being a mini are the guts still the same like steel core and lead (I think this is what you use) for the turks head? Also what is the length of the fall, I guessing 18".

Best,
Herr Jones

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Fri May 19, 2006 11:33 am

Hi Herr Jones,

With the IOAB whips I have switched to an all-leather core, and they've been that way for about a year. This mini-IOAB also has an all leather core and isn't that heavy at all. Also, the IOAB whips have a leather foundation for the turks heads, as does this mini-IOAB.

I think the fall was more like 10 inches, but I didn't measure it.

-Adam

Herr Jones · Post by **Herr Jones** » Fri May 19, 2006 11:50 am

Wrong on all accounts

. . . I'll go sit in the corner now

Herr Jones

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Fri May 19, 2006 12:15 pm

Hey, you weren't wrong on ALL counts, the whip was some 'nice work'.

Herr Jones · Post by **Herr Jones** » Fri May 19, 2006 1:58 pm

well on closer inspection . . .

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sat May 20, 2006 12:48 am

I can't wait to crack it! So would this be like an IOAMB-Indy on a Major Budget? LOL! It's a cute little thing!

TR, if I have it time (which Adam says I should), then I can bring it with me.

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sat May 20, 2006 6:00 am

EXCELLENT! I'm looking forward to it, ITG! Adam, so that would be 50 bucks for the additional plait version?

TR

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:19 am

TR,

This little whip was made exactly like the large IOAB whips, and took almost as long to make, and on top of that it's kangaroo, so it's $50 for THIS version, the 4-plait version.

Thinking about my regular IOAB prices, a 4 footer is $50 out of cowhide, and this kangaroo whip was just 10 inches shy of 4 ft. Though, at the $50 price I'd be willing to braid a little whip out to 4 ft.

I'm thinking I'd do 8-plait for $65 and 12-plait for $85. I should note that Joe Strain gets about $125 for a miniature 12-plait bullwhip.

-Adam
www.winrichwhips.com

Paul_Stenhouse · Post by **Paul_Stenhouse** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:26 pm

I jokingly have to point out that.....I know Joe Strain. Joe Strain is a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Joe Strain.

Or, however the quote goes.

Adam, you should just quit messing around and post your website here!

Best Regards,

Paul Stenhouse

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:18 pm

Hey Paul,

Well, the M-IOAB isn't on my website, and I'm trying to feel things out on COW to see if I should add it as a standard product.

Yes, it is shamless self promotion.

I'm not sure how to take your 'Joe Strain' quote. I didn't say I was Joe, and I would never say that, I was merely making reference to his work.

What movie is that from? Is it from a movie? Sounds like it's from something from senate hearings during the Red Scare and/or McCarthy-ism.

Though, Paul Nolan and I have been in contact with Russell Schultz and Russell's been kind enough to share pictures and information on some of Australia's outstanding whipmakers. While Joe is one of the great whipmakers in the US, Russell's shown me whips by whipmakers who I really would want to be.

However, (cue dramatice music) due to the constrictions of this mortal coil we find ourselves upon, I must be content to be me, and do the best I can.

Shamless self promotion and all

-Adam

Paul_Stenhouse · Post by **Paul_Stenhouse** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:40 am

Hi Adam,

I'm from the subtle school. If people want my work, they'll seek me out. If they don't, that's fine too. One whipmaker will never make everyone happy.

Comparing your prices to Joe Strain, to me, smacks of a "buy from me" promotion. If people want the mini version of your budget whip, they'll ask for it, and how much it costs. Put it on your website as a one-off, but that it can be done in the future. I've had a kilt maker do that with a receiving blanket I had made for my daughter in the Bruce tartan.

I know you want to make a living from it, and I sincerely hope that you are able to, without selling whips wholesale to someone else.

You're free to shamelessly self-promote as much as you want.

The quote is from some goings on in congress, but I don't remember the specifics.

My point is this: do good work, and the people will follow, regardless of self-promotion. I'm giving you a ribbing because self-promotion is a continuous theme.

Best Regards,

Paul Stenhouse

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sun May 21, 2006 6:44 am

From what I saw, he WAS asked a few times how much it was

,and he answered. The original thread was just what you said, him just showing a one-off that he made for ITG. No harm, no foul, from what I can see.

Anyway,,
Adam, I'll definitely go the 12 plait! Question though- 48 inches(including fall) is almost putting it in the realm of the Pocketbull,IMO. I'm wanting one that really IS tiny. Can you make one that is more like 36 inches TOTAL (not including popper) and that is really scaled down to just look like a miniature full size, not just a small whip? Am I making this clear at all?

sorry.
So basically, the strands,plaiting,handle and everything would be 'to scale', meaning small thin strands etc. (sorry, I'm not trying to tell you how to make a whip

, just trying to explain myself clearly). And of course, it'll be able to crack,,albeit maybe not too loudly

TR

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sun May 21, 2006 11:27 pm

winrichwhips wrote: Thinking about my regular IOAB prices, a 4 footer is $50 out of cowhide, and this kangaroo whip was just 10 inches shy of 4 ft. Though, at the $50 price I'd be willing to braid a little whip out to 4 ft.

I got the whip yesterday and love it! I put it around my cowboy hat and would only recommend making it about 4-6 inches longer so that they wrap around the hat at least 1.5 times, rather than stopping short after making it around the first bend of the front of the hat. It cracks really easily too and will be very easy to coil up and put into my MKVII (easier to coil than a pocket bull).

Texas Raider wrote: Adam, I'll definitely go the 12 plait! Question though- 48 inches(including fall) is almost putting it in the realm of the Pocketbull,IMO. I'm wanting one that really IS tiny. Can you make one that is more like 36 inches TOTAL (not including popper) and that is really scaled down to just look like a miniature full size, not just a small whip? Am I making this clear at all? sorry.
TR

TR, I'm not sure if you're wanting it as a hat band too, but if so, 36 inches may be a bit too short to wrap around the crown efficiently. I'll bring mine on Saturday for you to see.

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 am

Hi Holly,

I'll keep that in mind about the length. With your hatband, I wrapped it around my hat and tied the crack/fall into the wrist loop. That seemed to work fairly well.

I think if I wanted it to be more like a hatband, I would make a whip smaller in diameter, and have it not taper as much, and have the braiding go twice around the hat.

I have a kangaroo Indy whip to get done early this week, but after that I think I'll take some time and make up a couple more hatbands and experiment with it.

Holly, how does the bracelet fit? I guessed that your wrists might be a little smaller than mine. Remember that the little knot slides away from the big one, that's how you open it. It should be loose enough that it doesn't pinch your wrist, but not so loose that it slips off your hand.

-Adam

Zach R. · Post by **Zach R.** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:55 am

BTW, it was from the 1988 Vice-Presidential debate, when Quayle was(foolishly) comparing himself to President Kennedy, Lloyd Bentsen(sp?) retorted: "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

Anyway, thank you US Gov & Politics.

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:26 am

winrichwhips wrote:Hi Holly,

I'll keep that in mind about the length. With your hatband, I wrapped it around my hat and tied the crack/fall into the wrist loop. That seemed to work fairly well.

I'll try that. I hadn't thought of tying it off to the wrist loop.

I think if I wanted it to be more like a hatband, I would make a whip smaller in diameter, and have it not taper as much, and have the braiding go twice around the hat.

Did you not make it as a hat band? That's what I had ordered.

Holly, how does the bracelet fit? I guessed that your wrists might be a little smaller than mine. Remember that the little knot slides away from the big one, that's how you open it. It should be loose enough that it doesn't pinch your wrist, but not so loose that it slips off your hand.

-Adam

It fits fine well (not too tight and loose enough that is can turn around easily). I quite like it and it was really easy to figure out how to slide the knot. I may wear it to work some this week. I look forward to seeing how it ages in color over the years.

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:21 am

I think if I wanted it to be more like a hatband, I would make a whip smaller in diameter, and have it not taper as much, and have the braiding go twice around the hat.

Yes, that's what I was picturing as well, a smaller diameter, really miniature looking whip, not just an extra short/small IOAB.

Adam, I sent you some measurements, if you get to experimenting, try those, or as close as you realistically think you can get to them

. If it works or you get close, and it looks good and cracks, consider it sold!(to me

)

thanks! TR

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Mon May 22, 2006 9:45 am

Hey Holly,

Yes, I did make your whip as hatband, though the length was governed by the kangaroo leather that I had on hand.

Now that I've just been mulling over what might make a whip that is even more like a hatband (though it would probably not be as good a whip as the little I made you ;-)

-Adam

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sun May 28, 2006 5:37 am

Hey, Adam, I saw Holly's whip tonight, totally cool! As for the size, if you can make me one, the rear knot is perfect, don't change that!,,if you could make the diameter of the handle and thong just slightly smaller in it's entirety, the handle about an inch longer, the thong about 35 inches long(no longer), 12 plait, and in saddle tan

Let me know if this'll work!

thanks! TR

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:23 pm

I tried making a 12-plait Indy whip hatband. The kangaroo was saddle tan, though it was made from some drum-stuffed kangaroo that I've had for a while and the whip ended up looking more whiskey than saddle tan.

-Adam

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:39 am

Hey Adam, that whip looks excellent!! Those measurements work o.k.? They look spot on as far as scale goes! The dimensions make it look full size by itself and tiny when your hand is by it! PERFECT! I'll take it!

TR