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mini-Indy-on-a-Budget; UPDATE-now in 12-plait
Here's a pic of Indiana-Texas Girl's new hatband. It's made from kangaroo, but built just like the large IOAB whips and it does crack.
So, we went from pocket bullwhip, to wrist whip, and now a hat whip (though I admit the idea of a small whip that you wear on the hat is nothing new)
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Hi Herr Jones,
With the IOAB whips I have switched to an all-leather core, and they've been that way for about a year. This mini-IOAB also has an all leather core and isn't that heavy at all. Also, the IOAB whips have a leather foundation for the turks heads, as does this mini-IOAB.
I think the fall was more like 10 inches, but I didn't measure it.
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With the IOAB whips I have switched to an all-leather core, and they've been that way for about a year. This mini-IOAB also has an all leather core and isn't that heavy at all. Also, the IOAB whips have a leather foundation for the turks heads, as does this mini-IOAB.
I think the fall was more like 10 inches, but I didn't measure it.
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This little whip was made exactly like the large IOAB whips, and took almost as long to make, and on top of that it's kangaroo, so it's $50 for THIS version, the 4-plait version.
Thinking about my regular IOAB prices, a 4 footer is $50 out of cowhide, and this kangaroo whip was just 10 inches shy of 4 ft. Though, at the $50 price I'd be willing to braid a little whip out to 4 ft.
I'm thinking I'd do 8-plait for $65 and 12-plait for $85. I should note that Joe Strain gets about $125 for a miniature 12-plait bullwhip.
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This little whip was made exactly like the large IOAB whips, and took almost as long to make, and on top of that it's kangaroo, so it's $50 for THIS version, the 4-plait version.
Thinking about my regular IOAB prices, a 4 footer is $50 out of cowhide, and this kangaroo whip was just 10 inches shy of 4 ft. Though, at the $50 price I'd be willing to braid a little whip out to 4 ft.
I'm thinking I'd do 8-plait for $65 and 12-plait for $85. I should note that Joe Strain gets about $125 for a miniature 12-plait bullwhip.
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I jokingly have to point out that.....I know Joe Strain. Joe Strain is a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Joe Strain.
Or, however the quote goes.
Adam, you should just quit messing around and post your website here!
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Or, however the quote goes.
Adam, you should just quit messing around and post your website here!
Best Regards,
Paul Stenhouse
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Hey Paul,
Well, the M-IOAB isn't on my website, and I'm trying to feel things out on COW to see if I should add it as a standard product.
Yes, it is shamless self promotion.
I'm not sure how to take your 'Joe Strain' quote. I didn't say I was Joe, and I would never say that, I was merely making reference to his work. What movie is that from? Is it from a movie? Sounds like it's from something from senate hearings during the Red Scare and/or McCarthy-ism.
Though, Paul Nolan and I have been in contact with Russell Schultz and Russell's been kind enough to share pictures and information on some of Australia's outstanding whipmakers. While Joe is one of the great whipmakers in the US, Russell's shown me whips by whipmakers who I really would want to be.
However, (cue dramatice music) due to the constrictions of this mortal coil we find ourselves upon, I must be content to be me, and do the best I can. Shamless self promotion and all
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Well, the M-IOAB isn't on my website, and I'm trying to feel things out on COW to see if I should add it as a standard product.
Yes, it is shamless self promotion.
I'm not sure how to take your 'Joe Strain' quote. I didn't say I was Joe, and I would never say that, I was merely making reference to his work. What movie is that from? Is it from a movie? Sounds like it's from something from senate hearings during the Red Scare and/or McCarthy-ism.
Though, Paul Nolan and I have been in contact with Russell Schultz and Russell's been kind enough to share pictures and information on some of Australia's outstanding whipmakers. While Joe is one of the great whipmakers in the US, Russell's shown me whips by whipmakers who I really would want to be.
However, (cue dramatice music) due to the constrictions of this mortal coil we find ourselves upon, I must be content to be me, and do the best I can. Shamless self promotion and all
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Hi Adam,
I'm from the subtle school. If people want my work, they'll seek me out. If they don't, that's fine too. One whipmaker will never make everyone happy.
Comparing your prices to Joe Strain, to me, smacks of a "buy from me" promotion. If people want the mini version of your budget whip, they'll ask for it, and how much it costs. Put it on your website as a one-off, but that it can be done in the future. I've had a kilt maker do that with a receiving blanket I had made for my daughter in the Bruce tartan.
I know you want to make a living from it, and I sincerely hope that you are able to, without selling whips wholesale to someone else.
You're free to shamelessly self-promote as much as you want.
The quote is from some goings on in congress, but I don't remember the specifics.
My point is this: do good work, and the people will follow, regardless of self-promotion. I'm giving you a ribbing because self-promotion is a continuous theme.
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I'm from the subtle school. If people want my work, they'll seek me out. If they don't, that's fine too. One whipmaker will never make everyone happy.
Comparing your prices to Joe Strain, to me, smacks of a "buy from me" promotion. If people want the mini version of your budget whip, they'll ask for it, and how much it costs. Put it on your website as a one-off, but that it can be done in the future. I've had a kilt maker do that with a receiving blanket I had made for my daughter in the Bruce tartan.
I know you want to make a living from it, and I sincerely hope that you are able to, without selling whips wholesale to someone else.
You're free to shamelessly self-promote as much as you want.
The quote is from some goings on in congress, but I don't remember the specifics.
My point is this: do good work, and the people will follow, regardless of self-promotion. I'm giving you a ribbing because self-promotion is a continuous theme.
Best Regards,
Paul Stenhouse
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From what I saw, he WAS asked a few times how much it was ,and he answered. The original thread was just what you said, him just showing a one-off that he made for ITG. No harm, no foul, from what I can see.
Anyway,,
Adam, I'll definitely go the 12 plait! Question though- 48 inches(including fall) is almost putting it in the realm of the Pocketbull,IMO. I'm wanting one that really IS tiny. Can you make one that is more like 36 inches TOTAL (not including popper) and that is really scaled down to just look like a miniature full size, not just a small whip? Am I making this clear at all? sorry.
So basically, the strands,plaiting,handle and everything would be 'to scale', meaning small thin strands etc. (sorry, I'm not trying to tell you how to make a whip , just trying to explain myself clearly). And of course, it'll be able to crack,,albeit maybe not too loudly
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Adam, I'll definitely go the 12 plait! Question though- 48 inches(including fall) is almost putting it in the realm of the Pocketbull,IMO. I'm wanting one that really IS tiny. Can you make one that is more like 36 inches TOTAL (not including popper) and that is really scaled down to just look like a miniature full size, not just a small whip? Am I making this clear at all? sorry.
So basically, the strands,plaiting,handle and everything would be 'to scale', meaning small thin strands etc. (sorry, I'm not trying to tell you how to make a whip , just trying to explain myself clearly). And of course, it'll be able to crack,,albeit maybe not too loudly
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I got the whip yesterday and love it! I put it around my cowboy hat and would only recommend making it about 4-6 inches longer so that they wrap around the hat at least 1.5 times, rather than stopping short after making it around the first bend of the front of the hat. It cracks really easily too and will be very easy to coil up and put into my MKVII (easier to coil than a pocket bull).winrichwhips wrote: Thinking about my regular IOAB prices, a 4 footer is $50 out of cowhide, and this kangaroo whip was just 10 inches shy of 4 ft. Though, at the $50 price I'd be willing to braid a little whip out to 4 ft.
TR, I'm not sure if you're wanting it as a hat band too, but if so, 36 inches may be a bit too short to wrap around the crown efficiently. I'll bring mine on Saturday for you to see.Texas Raider wrote: Adam, I'll definitely go the 12 plait! Question though- 48 inches(including fall) is almost putting it in the realm of the Pocketbull,IMO. I'm wanting one that really IS tiny. Can you make one that is more like 36 inches TOTAL (not including popper) and that is really scaled down to just look like a miniature full size, not just a small whip? Am I making this clear at all? sorry.
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Hi Holly,
I'll keep that in mind about the length. With your hatband, I wrapped it around my hat and tied the crack/fall into the wrist loop. That seemed to work fairly well.
I think if I wanted it to be more like a hatband, I would make a whip smaller in diameter, and have it not taper as much, and have the braiding go twice around the hat.
I have a kangaroo Indy whip to get done early this week, but after that I think I'll take some time and make up a couple more hatbands and experiment with it.
Holly, how does the bracelet fit? I guessed that your wrists might be a little smaller than mine. Remember that the little knot slides away from the big one, that's how you open it. It should be loose enough that it doesn't pinch your wrist, but not so loose that it slips off your hand.
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I'll keep that in mind about the length. With your hatband, I wrapped it around my hat and tied the crack/fall into the wrist loop. That seemed to work fairly well.
I think if I wanted it to be more like a hatband, I would make a whip smaller in diameter, and have it not taper as much, and have the braiding go twice around the hat.
I have a kangaroo Indy whip to get done early this week, but after that I think I'll take some time and make up a couple more hatbands and experiment with it.
Holly, how does the bracelet fit? I guessed that your wrists might be a little smaller than mine. Remember that the little knot slides away from the big one, that's how you open it. It should be loose enough that it doesn't pinch your wrist, but not so loose that it slips off your hand.
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BTW, it was from the 1988 Vice-Presidential debate, when Quayle was(foolishly) comparing himself to President Kennedy, Lloyd Bentsen(sp?) retorted: "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."
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I'll try that. I hadn't thought of tying it off to the wrist loop.winrichwhips wrote:Hi Holly,
I'll keep that in mind about the length. With your hatband, I wrapped it around my hat and tied the crack/fall into the wrist loop. That seemed to work fairly well.
Did you not make it as a hat band? That's what I had ordered.I think if I wanted it to be more like a hatband, I would make a whip smaller in diameter, and have it not taper as much, and have the braiding go twice around the hat.
It fits fine well (not too tight and loose enough that is can turn around easily). I quite like it and it was really easy to figure out how to slide the knot. I may wear it to work some this week. I look forward to seeing how it ages in color over the years.Holly, how does the bracelet fit? I guessed that your wrists might be a little smaller than mine. Remember that the little knot slides away from the big one, that's how you open it. It should be loose enough that it doesn't pinch your wrist, but not so loose that it slips off your hand.
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Yes, that's what I was picturing as well, a smaller diameter, really miniature looking whip, not just an extra short/small IOAB.I think if I wanted it to be more like a hatband, I would make a whip smaller in diameter, and have it not taper as much, and have the braiding go twice around the hat.
Adam, I sent you some measurements, if you get to experimenting, try those, or as close as you realistically think you can get to them . If it works or you get close, and it looks good and cracks, consider it sold!(to me )
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Hey, Adam, I saw Holly's whip tonight, totally cool! As for the size, if you can make me one, the rear knot is perfect, don't change that!,,if you could make the diameter of the handle and thong just slightly smaller in it's entirety, the handle about an inch longer, the thong about 35 inches long(no longer), 12 plait, and in saddle tan
Let me know if this'll work!
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Let me know if this'll work!
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