LAST CRUSADE - FILM JACKET PICS

Kaplan · Post by **Kaplan** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:08 am

Many of you have probably seen these pics before, and I'm sorry if this is a repost. This is the LC jacket that was auctioned off June 2005. The larger pics can be found at:

http://www3.theindyexperience.com/tie_l ... 2005.shtml

You can make out "FORD" in blue on the tag.

I hope this helps clear up any questions about the LC pockets, collar, and lining that were floating around.
-GC

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:34 am

Ouch...that distressing just looks...cartoony. So uniformly SCRAPED along all the seams - more like piping. I'm sure part of that is the flash exaggerating it, but regardless, I'm glad it wasn't so severe looking on film. (I know you can SEE it in the screen caps, guys, I mean it doesn't look THIS clear in every shot.)

(EDIT: Upon rereading my post, let me clarify - I am NOT discounting that it's the real jacket. I even believe it is. I just mean I hate that distressing job...)

Kaplan · Post by **Kaplan** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:49 am

I quite agree...it looks like it was distressed with a belt sander!
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Strider · Post by **Strider** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:11 am

That's not a Wested tag in the jacket. Where's the Wested tag?

Kaplan · Post by **Kaplan** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:16 am

Apparently Peter made these jackets but conducted business through Bermans & Nathans.

Gater · Post by **Gater** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:08 am

this jacket had 'D' rings, and not square sliders on the side straps. Could anyone 'in trhe know' confirm if some jackets did have D rings, or if they all had the square sliders?

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:39 am

That jacket is just awful looking.

Cheers,
G-MANN

Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:59 am

I'll say my piece again. I hate the way this distressing looks. I cannot imaging the "rhyme & reason" for distressing all the edges this way.
It looks terrible!
Oddly enough, I do not notice it as much in the actual film..

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:04 am

Here you go, Gater.

The LC jackets all had D-rings. I believe it was only the Raiders jacket which had black, rectangular buckles.

Strider,
I don't even think Wested was Wested yet in 1988. Peter and Co. would have been known as Leather Concessionarries and were subcontracted the work from Bermans and Nathans who provided most of the costumes in the films.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:40 pm

What is this jacket made of? Did they say? It looks more like a cowhide grain than lambskin to my eye.

Regards! Michaelson

Kaplan · Post by **Kaplan** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:51 pm

Michaelson,
I always thought it WAS cowhide. I have heard all kinds of speculation on what it might have been made of. This may be a question for Peter. I'm no leather expert by any means, but it looks like cowhide to me.
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Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:53 pm

You and me both, my friend. If it IS lambskin, it's about the nicest hide I've ever seen to date. NICE grain to this one.

Regards! Michaelson

Gater · Post by **Gater** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:04 pm

Agent 5, hey thanks for clearing that up! I did not know that, and learned sumthin new.cool.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:04 pm

What ever type of leather it is it has a wonderful grain to it.

I always found the cotton lining odd. I seem to remember Peter saying that all LC jackets had a satin lining.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:38 pm

J_Weaver wrote: I seem to remember Peter saying that all LC jackets had a satin lining.

Really?

I don't remember him ever saying that.

Regards! Michaelson

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:36 pm

Michaelson wrote:
J_Weaver wrote: I seem to remember Peter saying that all LC jackets had a satin lining.
Really?

I don't remember him ever saying that.

Regards! Michaelson

Well, I have pulled that one out of thin air. But I swear I remember reading a post about all the LC jackets having satin linings.

Perhaps I have a vivid imagination?

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:40 pm

Ah, could be.

All I've EVER read or heard Peter say was all jackets in all 3 movies had cotton linings. He even referred to the lambskin cotton lined jackets as his 'summer weight' jackets in the distant past.

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:50 pm

Michaelson wrote:You and me both, my friend. If it IS lambskin, it's about the nicest hide I've ever seen to date. NICE grain to this one.

Regards! Michaelson

Hmm...now I'm definitely not letting you try my jacket on. My lamb has a similar grain, but it's not as pronounced in a few areas. Can't get it to photograph right, my jacket still has that shine where it hasn't lost the finish...

EDIT: HEY! This shows something I've been pondering lately...this jacket still has a shine to it where it wasn't distressed so much! (Certianly inside the back bottom and the rim of the collar (the part against the neck), but also on the pocket and next to the storm flap you can see it.) I've hesitated about removing the shine from my jacket as that doesn't seem like how it would normally wear. (I'm still in the natural distressing camp, but possibly only by technicality...I daydream of distressing once in a while. Nobody tell Michaelson, he'd bust me down to Grail Recovery Volunteer!

)

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:52 pm

No worries, Jerry. I have a FS and a Wested of my own that meet my criteria.

Regards! Michaelson

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:08 pm

Michaelson wrote:Ah, could be.

All I've EVER read or heard Peter say was all jackets in all 3 movies had cotton linings. He even referred to the lambskin cotton lined jackets as his 'summer weight' jackets in the distant past.

Regards! Michaelson

Remember that's 'summer weight' in England. We call 70° warm!

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:10 pm

So he explained.

Where 70 is our morning 'low', (if we're lucky), that just doesn't compute for me. (grins)

Regards! michaelson

Kaplan · Post by **Kaplan** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:37 pm

It's in the 90's in southern New Mexico. When my goatskin comes I'm going to be staring at it for months (before I even get to really wear it) trying to talk myself out of distressing it.
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Jim · Post by **Jim** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:12 pm

This is just my two cents worth about the LC auction jacket:

I watched the entire movie carefully, and nowhere could I find Mr. Ford wearing a jacket with that unusually cheesy distressing...EXCEPT...when he is hanging off the big gun on the side of the tank, while the nice man on top of the hill is pouring dirt all over him. If you look closely, you can see what almost look like tan stripes on the seams of Mr. Ford's jacket. There's also a still of that scene on www.theindyexperience.com under the LC Photos page, and his jacket looks very similar to the auctioned jacket. My guess is, he wore it only for this stunt (maybe because it IS cowhide and would stand up better to the abuse).

I do believe his other jacket(s) are lamb, because they moved with him like a lightweight fabric, just like his Raiders jacket...and my Raiders jacket.

Or I could be wrong

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:16 pm

It's hard to say. Almost all the jackets were coated with Fullers earth for distressed appearance. This jacket has been cleaned of the dusting, and this odd distressing is what remains, so without the Fuller's to fill in the 'gaps', it's hard to visualize WHERE it fit into the movie.

Regards! Michaelson

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:48 pm

You can also see the "piping" during the motorcycle chase, and during the scenes when Indy steals the guy's car ... and on the beach before & after Henry Sr. scares all the seagulls.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:39 am

Indiana_Tone wrote:Phew! I'm not the only one to see that the shine is still there on the jackets even when distressed! Yay, Jerry! I'm not crazy after all.

Citing me as your evidence as such is not going to convince ANYONE.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:40 am

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:01 am

You're right, Strider, there is definite aging in those scenes, but imo it was a bit more natural than the "cartoon jacket" in the auction.

I don't know the history of this particular jacket, but is it possible that the over-zealous sanding on the seams and edges could have been done after filming? Like maybe whomever was in charge of the jacket knew it would be sold eventually and wanted it to look more aged, but lacked the skill to age it properly.

Harrison_Davies · Post by **Harrison_Davies** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:11 pm

That jacket vindicates what what i thought was too much distressing on my upper sleeve seam. I am forgiven

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:35 am

I still say it only looks weird because as Michaelson alluded to, it was probably cleaned up at some point. And it has been sitting for 17 years. Its dried out. I doubt anyone cared for it during that time. No way is going to look like what was on screen.

Harrison_Davies · Post by **Harrison_Davies** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:42 am

I don't know you know I was watching LC the other day and paid a lot of attention to the motorbike scene where they stop, there is a lot of seam distressing on that jacket. A LOT! And couple with filming filters and techniques a lot dissapears, actors often wear orange makeup to appear natural under screen lighting.

Mike Bolton · Post by **Mike Bolton** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:15 am

I was looking through a Guiness Book magazine when I found this pic:

It's hard to see from the scan, but the jacket's distressing looks very similiar to the jacket in the first post.