MY SECOND WESTED ORDER

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:02 am

Just sent my new order to Wested. The jacket is now a little customised.
The basic differences from the standard are:

1. Predistressed hide

2. pocket size as per agent5 (cause I am 5ft 10in tall like him)

3. scalloped pocket flap with pointy tip as per photo below
http://www.flightjacket.com/store/images/g1.jpg

so to match with the film screen shot below
http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/raide ... vd_324.jpg

4. Side strap as per photo below
http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage. ... pg&thumb=0

5. Aluminum zipper 5 gauge with no leather facing

6. Pleat depth 1.5 inches

Now I really want to see how the pocket flaps will look like, if the pleats will stay open all the time, and if the stap configuration will work.

When this jacket arrives, I will acetone distress my first one and order another one authentic lambskin this time correcting the mistakes of this order, if any.

Best regards,
PLATON

PS: By the way, I have one question. Anybody knows if the predistressed hide is cow or goat, or something else?

TFrosst · Post by **TFrosst** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:35 am

Don't go with the aluminum zipper. It'll fall completely apart in a few days. If you want the color, go with nickel. I'm not even sure if Peter would put an alulminum zipper on his jackets.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:48 am

Thanks for the tip. It's the color I am looking for.
I hope there's time to amend my order.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:29 am

I didn't hear you say X-Box stitching.

Uhm ... yeah ...

GET THAT.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:58 am

That's in too. Just didn't mention it above. Also the pleat depth is actually 1.25 inch (as per agent5) not 1.5 as above.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:40 am

One thing.... do you want the pleat to stay open or not? If you want it to close back again, with the smaller pleat, it's suggested you ask for the pleat elastic too.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:50 am

Thanks fo your advice KT Templar. I want the pleat to stay open.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:13 pm

I'm interested to see how this jackets comes out. The predistressed hide has had me intrigued since I first saw _'s on the main page.

Dr. Jones Jr. · Post by **Dr. Jones Jr.** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:24 pm

PLATON, did peter say that he would do the 1.25 inch pleats, because i too want that on my next order.
Thanks, Chris

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:35 am

Actually I spoke with him on the phone and he said he'll do it at an extra charge because the pleat depth changes completely the back panel configurationor something.

He also asked if I want this elastic and I said no but now I am having second thoughts. (maybe in the third order).

Regarding the side strap he said they don't have this buckle so I am getting the 2 rectangular things.

Regarding the pocket flaps, he is making a special pattern for me at an extra charge.

I am waiting....

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:09 am

It seems that you are going for quite a bit of screen accuracy. If that is the case, you may want to get authentic lamb instead of predistressed cow.

Dr. Jones Jr. · Post by **Dr. Jones Jr.** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:08 pm

Cool, thanks. Did he happen to say how much extra he would charge, that was the main thing i wanted to change about my next wested.
Thanks again-Chris

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:13 pm

I requested 1.25" pleat depth but didn't get it. They are about 1.8". (mine was a extra charge jacket also as you probably know) Also, they don't have any other zippers apparently, so unless you send them one you'll probably get the normal one. I asked for a nickle zip also, but got brass.

Dr. Jones jr., See my "new wested" post if you haven't. Peter's thinking about 165 pounds for the custom jackets I think. Maybe more if you really go overboard.

Dr. Jones Jr. · Post by **Dr. Jones Jr.** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:02 pm

Yea right after i posted that, i realized that i had already read what peter said in your post. All im shooting for thats "custom" is the smaller pockets, and the shallow pleat. Otherwise the jacket is perfect, i just think it looks so much better with a shallow pleat maybe half open than that deep pleat, i had one that really flared out, and i felt like i had wings.
-Chris

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:32 pm

PLATON wrote:Actually I spoke with him on the phone and he said he'll do it at an extra charge because the pleat depth changes completely the back panel configurationor something.
...
Regarding the pocket flaps, he is making a special pattern for me at an extra charge.

I am waiting....

Did he say how much is the extra charge for those two??

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:25 am

Actually I spoke with him on the phone and he said he'll do it at an extra charge because the pleat depth changes completely the back panel configurationor something.

I'm not understanding this correctly because 1.5 used to be standard on the older (1999-2000) Westeds. I mean, I'm pretty sure they all came with that 1.5 sized pleat and it was because people kept insisting they stayed open that Peter offered a change for us to try to leep them closed If I recall, even the newly improved larger pleat depth opened up a bit so Peter started using the elastic.

If someone else remembers the standard, old school pleat depth, please chime in and let me know if I'm right or wrong.

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:23 pm

I was kind of wondering about that too 5. I had a 2000 vintage jacket and it had the screen accurate 1.5" pleats (that stayed pretty much open). They must have a pattern for that, so as not to be that big of a pain to do one or the other.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:38 pm

Doc, was your 2000 vintage jacket the same size as your current jacket?

Regards! Michaelson

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:03 pm

Michaelson wrote:Doc, was your 2000 vintage jacket the same size as your current jacket?

Regards! Michaelson

Yep, both 40R.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:28 am

This jacket cost 209 pounds with shipping to Greece included.

astroboy · Post by **astroboy** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:02 am

I had to sen the jacket back too as slightly too big and I customised it by having the jacket length lifted and the sleeves shortened slightly..

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:11 pm

PLATON wrote:This jacket cost 209 pounds with shipping to Greece included.

What size is the jacket you ordered?

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:56 am

The size is 40R

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:42 am

PLATON wrote:The size is 40R

ah so

£209 - £145 (price of the jacket) - £20 (shipping) = £44 ( for customizations???

)

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:03 am

No my friend.
You can forget about the days that jacket was 145.
Jacket is now 169 + 20 shipping + 10 modification (pockets) + 10 modification (pleats).

Unfortunately, the price change had to be applied when I was ready to make my second (and third) order. It's Murphy's law... you know... (always works).

Also, Peter said that they don't have the side strap buckle I was looking for so I had to settle with the rectangular ones.

I will post photos of the jacket when it comes.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:40 am

PLATON wrote:No my friend.
You can forget about the days that jacket was 145.
Jacket is now 169 + 20 shipping

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:11 am

It's now on sale at the sale & want ads area

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Wed May 24, 2006 5:43 am

That was fast. What's wrong with it?

VP · Post by VP » Wed May 24, 2006 6:14 am

Make sure to post the pics you promised before you sell it. Also I don't see any indication of the new price on the Wested site.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:47 am

Nothing is wrong except the fact that I now realize that predistressed hide was not the right choice for me.

As regards the new price, I know that the site is not updated but a simple phonecall or email to Wested will be enough ti convince you. Or, I can send you my correspondence with them.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:48 am

You know, a member here took some brown Pecards to his predistressed cowhide jacket and made it look rather nice. Maybe you ought to see what you can do about it before you toss it.

Here is the thread so you can see what he did.

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:49 am

PLATON,

What's the sleeve length & back length on this jacket?

~Jace

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:56 am

Hi, thanks for your concern.
It's not the way it looks that bothers me, it's the way it feels.
The predistressed is thicker and heavier than the lamb.

If I don't manage to sell it, I will treat it with something to darken it.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:57 am

Well...that was an expensive lesson.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:07 am

To: Tyrloch

The size of the jacket is a 40R as per http://www.wested.com/frsizing.html
I am at the office now and don't have it with me to measure it in order to give you the back length. It's 35 degrees celcius here and if I want to wear it have to wait for October again.

The reason I am selling it is to get another one, exactly the same but authentic lamb.

Havana · Post by **Havana** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:50 am

Try not to feel too bad. After getting my first Wested, I convinced myself that a different one would be better. I sold the original and bought a different Wested only to realize I had the best jacket the first time.

These are the kinds of voyages of discovery that we all go through. Discovery, waiting, frustration and expense.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:57 am

Hey Havana,

So what was the original spec you had that you sold? And what was the second?

Havana · Post by **Havana** » Wed May 24, 2006 11:35 am

I had dark lamb and sold it for authentic lamb. I discovered I much prefer the darker color because to me it looks more like the jackets do on screen. My authentic lamb photographs dark but looks much too light to my eyes. It's all in the eye of the beholder I guess.

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:53 pm

I had a similar experience except I liked the authentic and the DB that I had first was used and I didn't loose much on it when I sold it.

Funny, I find the authentic photograps light a lot of the time. (with flash of course)

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed May 24, 2006 1:01 pm

I think the authentic grows on you. The dark brown often seems a bit to red to me. But like you said it's what you like. And coupled with the fact that the colours do differ a bit from batch to batch.

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Wed May 24, 2006 1:13 pm

Is there a difference between the Authentic Goatskin & the dark brown Goat? I just ordered a dark brown goat & am now wondering if the auth, goat is more the color I was looking for... Any comments?

~Jace

VP · Post by VP » Wed May 24, 2006 2:37 pm

Tyrloch wrote:Is there a difference between the Authentic Goatskin & the dark brown Goat?

Yeah, Dark Brown is darker than the authentic. Authentic Brown Lamb was used in the films.

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Wed May 24, 2006 2:49 pm

That should be good then, I was looking for a really dark brown. So either one would've probably been a good choice for me, thanks!

~Jace

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:04 am

PLS FIND PHOTOS OF THE JACKET BELOW.

FRONT
http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/ ... G_0300.jpg

BACK
http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/ ... G_0302.jpg

PLEAT DEPTH
http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/ ... G_0301.jpg

SIDE STRAPS
http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/ ... G_0303.jpg

NICKEL ZIPPER, NO LEATHER FACING, LESS LEATHER INSIDE POCKET
http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/ ... G_0291.jpg

JACKET LOOKING A LOT DARKER UNDER DIFFERENT LIGHTING
http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/ ... G_0288.jpg

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:22 am

Strider wrote:You know, a member here took some brown Pecards to his predistressed cowhide jacket and made it look rather nice. Maybe you ought to see what you can do about it before you toss it.

.

_ and I were the first ones to use Pecards standard dressing to the distressed hide, and the color is wonderful once you perform this application. It comes out a beautiful mahagony (_'s jacket can be seen on the main IG page). Personally, once applied and complete soaked in, I think it creates one of the nicest looking jackets around....though still one of the heavier hides they offer, it's a mixed blessing. If you live in a cold climate, this is the perfect jacket, and with the Pecard dressing, is a wonderful cold weather item to own.

This, of course, is for folks who aren't after a distressed look, as the dressing completely removes that appearance.

I traded mine away years ago, as living in the South, it was just not getting worn due to it's weight. If I ever move back to a colder climate, I'll order or look for another one in a heartbeat. I don't like pre-distressed either, but with Pecards applied, it's one of my personal favorites over the many years i've been in the hobby, and the many jackets I've had go through my hands.

Regards! Michaelson

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:23 am

SORRY FOR THE REPEATED POST BUT THE IMAGE HOSTING COMPANY REMOVED MY PHOTOS, SO I HAD TO HOST THEM IN MY OWN SITE.

PLS FIND BELOW PHOTOS AND DESCRIPTION OF THE JACKET.
PLS NOTE THE JACKET IS UP FOR SALE IN THE ADS SECTION.

FRONT
http://www.stardust-records.com/partner ... G_0300.jpg

BACK
http://www.stardust-records.com/partner ... G_0302.jpg

PLEAT DEPTH
http://www.stardust-records.com/partner ... G_0301.jpg

SIDE STRAPS
http://www.stardust-records.com/partner ... G_0303.jpg

NICKEL ZIPPER, NO LEATHER FACING, LESS LEATHER INSIDE POCKET
http://www.stardust-records.com/partners/IMG_0291.jpg

JACKET WITH DIFFERENT LIGHTING APPEARS DARK BROWN
http://www.stardust-records.com/partners/IMG_0288.jpg
http://www.stardust-records.com/partners/IMG_0292.jpg
http://www.stardust-records.com/partners/IMG_0296.jpg
http://www.stardust-records.com/partners/IMG_0297.jpg
http://www.stardust-records.com/partners/IMG_0298.jpg
http://www.stardust-records.com/partners/IMG_0299.jpg

Style: Raiders

Size: 40R

Leather: New predistressed hide

Pattern: 919 (Chris King/80's fit)

Lining: Cotton silesia, body and sleeves

Zipper: 5 gauge nickel zipper that extends to the bottom of the jacket

Leather facing: No leather facing on the zipper

Storm flap: standard Raiders storm flap

Collar stand: Leather collar stand

Pockets: 16cm x 19.1cm and scalloped pocket flaps as per agent5 specs in 'the ultimate screen accurate Raiders' post

Side strap: Standard length. Sewn with X pattern and box pattern, doouble stitched

Side strap buckles: gunmetal rectangular 2 piece rings

Side vent stitch: No stitch holding the vents closed

Pleat depth: 1.25 inches (3.2cm) screen accurate, without elastic

Yoke seam: standard yoke seam

Back panel: The back panel extend all the way to the sleeve seam

Inside pocket: Left size, slit (less leather pocket)

Underarm Gussets: No gussets