Wested is Here! Now with pics+ a question from Peter n topic

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:19 am

Peter, how much are you thinking to increase the price of?

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:27 am

Peter,

Even if you increase the price we'll still love you.
However, please consider the following.

I bought a standard jacket from you thinking that the "raiders" jacket as seen in your website is the screen accurate thing.

Later, when I joined COW I found that it was not and I am now ready to order two more with agent5 specs (one auth. lamb + one predistressed)

As I understand, some people here have 2, 3 even 5 jackets.
Now, if you increase the price I am sorry but I will start having second thoughts about buying a second jacket.

The fact that you keep the price same even for custom orders is what creates this long line of customers who will keep coming to you for more.

Please think twice before you increase the price.

Best regards,
Platon

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:03 am

agent5 wrote:I think it looks fabulous. Is the yoke seam moved up? It looks like it.

The pleats aren't that big a deal, but if you are anal like me it'd probably bother me a bit...and then wear off. The hardware can also be replaced per the link by Dr.J. Nothing a pair of needle-nose pliers won't handle if you feel like it.

Yes, I think they did.

Yeah, I was examining the pleats and looks like this configuration really will stay closed well. (no elastic to my knoledge) The small one's tend to always come open. As for hardware I was refering to the zipper as well as the sliders, but yeah I can switch the sliders if they bother me. (or I could paint them black and be really authentic.

I was really hoping to stand out in an Indy crowd with my silver zipper though.

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:15 am

Ragingblues wrote: 2. If people continue to submit page long orders with specifics laid out for every single facet of the design, you can absolutely count on the price going up.

I think it is (and has been) posted some where on their site that some changes/alterations will encour extra charges. Like I said, I thought it was always this way. I don't see any problem with doing it that way.

I think Platon was saying he didn't feel he got exactly what was advertised now that he's heard of all the changes that people do and can make to them to make them more like what they look like on screen. (note: that's not necisaraly the same as what Peter gave them as we seem to have found various changes the costume dpt. made after they had them)

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:29 am

As far as pricing, anytime you start to add on and change things from a standard item to a drastically changed thing it just plain adds time and effort. As Peter said Time is Money.

Example: Have a painter come to paint your living room Flat White. When he comes to paint tell him I want the trim painted a different color I want one wall painted gray and while you are at it paint the Kitchen too.

See if his price does not double or triple on the spot.

The same applies here.

Cheers,
G-MANN

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:50 am

Yeah, they are just like the hat in that you would have to pick a scene or photo to have it screen accurate.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:51 am

ID Can you show us a close up of those pockets please?

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:28 am

I found while taking this that it's important to get directly over or infront of the pocket or you loose the scalope shape pretty easy if you are aa a little to high or low of an angle.

Shawn · Post by **Shawn** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:38 am

First I want to say that Peter, I have had a lambskin non-distressed lambskin since '99. At the time I bought mega store quality clothing and it had taken me a year to decide to buy the jacket which was about $300?

Anyway, in hindsight I got a GREAT DEAL!!! I am looking at my wardrobe and the only things I still have from 7 years ago is my excellently fitting Wested I wear regularly and some things I RARELY wear. Quality lasts and is worth the extra nickel.

Basically Peter, I appreciate your work and am thinking of another down the road. That said I have been tinkering the thought of some mods and

YES - I would pay more to have you WORK MORE. Like many of the previous posts here I agree that this is your livelihood and you are worth every penny.

Not to mention how cool is it that you not only create a piece of film history for us all, but you take the time out to peer into the world of a gearhead here in the club!

Thanks again Mr Botwright!

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:43 am

IndyDoc wrote:
I found while taking this that it's important to get directly over or infront of the pocket or you loose the scalope shape pretty easy if you are aa a little to high or low of an angle.

Here's mine, slightly less scalloped, but not a great deal I'd say.

I think he should offer LC pockets (larger for the grail) and Raiders pockets (smaller) and be done with it.

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:58 am

Yeah, I noticed mine were rounded a bit more round on the bottom (like the 2000 jacket I had before this) than some others I'd seen.

They have to size the pockets to some degree for bigger/smaller jackets KT, or do you mean just the flap shape should be LC or Raiders and be done with it?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:06 pm

IndyDoc wrote:Yeah, I noticed mine were rounded a bit more round on the bottom (like the 2000 jacket I had before this) than some others I'd seen.

They have to size the pockets to some degree for bigger/smaller jackets KT, or do you mean just the flap shape should be LC or Raiders and be done with it?

Smaller pockets with rounder corners. Todays standard pockets are squarer then mine. I know they are scaled to the jacket.

Peter made the decision to make all the pockets, at least grail diary sized (LC). I think he should allow the option for the smaller Raiders look and negate the need for all the detailed specs. After all all you are looking for is a raiders style/sized pocket. Hence Raiders or LC Pocket.

The shape of the flap is a question of personal taste, some of the screen jackets have gently scalloped pockets and some look positively "western".

Kt

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:14 pm

Kt Templar wrote:I think he should allow the option for the smaller Raiders look and negate the need for all the detailed specs. After all all you are looking for is a raiders style/sized pocket. Hence Raiders or LC Pocket.

Agreed. Post the size and shape of each on the site and say you can choose this or this.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:22 pm

IndyDoc wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:I think he should allow the option for the smaller Raiders look and negate the need for all the detailed specs. After all all you are looking for is a raiders style/sized pocket. Hence Raiders or LC Pocket.
Agreed. Post the size and shape of each on the site and say you can choose this or this.

See that's the problem, each jacket size has a diffrent pocket size. He's the craftsman. You have to let him decide the correct size for that jacket. Just specify you want a LC pocket or a Raiders pocket. That should be enough. IMHO that is all you are entitled to request.

Do you tell the chef in a Michelin Starred restaurant how hot to set his grill?

Kt.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:59 am

What I said and you guys didn't understand exactly is that all these modifications in the jacket create extra demand for the jacket that Peter should appreciate.

I don't mind that the standard jacket I got is not the 100% accurate thing, because this gives me the pleasure to redesign the jacket in my mind and order a new one for the same price.

Now if the price will change this will cause reluctancy for new orders and people will suffice with one jacket will not buy 2, 3 or more.

So I am saying that an increase in the price is bad for business because it will cause discomfort to customers and demand for jackets will fall.

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:21 am

PLATON wrote:What I said and you guys didn't understand exactly is that all these modifications in the jacket create extra demand for the jacket that Peter should appreciate.

I don't mind that the standard jacket I got is not the 100% accurate thing, because this gives me the pleasure to redesign the jacket in my mind and order a new one for the same price.

Now if the price will change this will cause reluctancy for new orders and people will suffice with one jacket will not buy 2, 3 or more.

So I am saying that an increase in the price is bad for business because it will cause discomfort to customers and demand for jackets will fall.

Personally, I don't know ANYBODY that wants to do twice the amount of work for the same amount of money.

G-MANN

greatgarlando · Post by **greatgarlando** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:45 am

PLATON wrote:What I said and you guys didn't understand exactly is that all these modifications in the jacket create extra demand for the jacket that Peter should appreciate.

I don't mind that the standard jacket I got is not the 100% accurate thing, because this gives me the pleasure to redesign the jacket in my mind and order a new one for the same price.

Now if the price will change this will cause reluctancy for new orders and people will suffice with one jacket will not buy 2, 3 or more.

So I am saying that an increase in the price is bad for business because it will cause discomfort to customers and demand for jackets will fall.

I don't think that a price increase for a custom jacket would hurt business at all. I think Peter should charge extra for custom specifications.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:53 am

So I guess the Spandex Wested is out of the question, huh?

Very well put, _. I remember dialing Peter and talking about my concerns when I ordered my Wested. I told him my concerns and then worried about it until the jacket arrived. I had no reason to worry, the man knows his stuff! The jacket fit me perfectly. Trust the man, he knows what he's doing. I agree, though, it's worth the extra dime to give him a call.

I love my Wested the way it is. I'd love to get another one at some point, but I can't see myself asking for much more than a well-fitting jacket. I can see how collectors might want to be extremely nit-picky, but I bought my jacket to wear, not to display (no offence meant to those who display only). To me, the testament is to enjoy the jacket and make it more "Indyish" by wearing it and letting it age well.

bink

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:04 am

To G-MANN

What twice amount of work you are talking about?
The jackets are made to measure.

Asking the cargo pockets to be 19 cm instead of 22 is twice the amount of work?

Since the jacket is made to measure all the pieces of leather will be cut at different dimensions anyway because the jackets will be worn by different sized persons.

I could only agree to be charged extra if the request requires extra amount of leather or it is something unusual. (No leather facing on the zipper, means less leather and less work, so should I get a discount?)

How much more can you be charged for pleat depth of 1.25 inch instead of the standard? Why this cannot be considered part of someone's measurements?

Moreover, e.g., how much more time is needed to make x-box stitch instead of the square stitch?

For someone who has made over a 1000 jackets these mods should be piece of cake. (Anyone who has made similar work can verify this).

Not wanting to offend anyone, I believe we should thank Peter for what he does (Peter for president) and Peter should thank his luck for having us being his (valuable) customers.

Finally, if Peter wants to increase the price (and nobody can stop him) I would not like to see a price list of the type, e.g.

Gussets: 5 pounds
Strom flap rounded collar: 6 pounds
Custom size pocket: 5 pounds
etc

If Peter will say custom orders of this kind will be charged with 10 pounds total (i.e. jacket to be sold at 155 pounds instead of 145) for his trouble to follow the list of mods, that's OK with me.

What do you guys think?

BRGDS,
PLATON

Ripper · Post by **Ripper** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:12 am

I think everone should read Pattersons post, he knows his stuff and has been around here FOREVER.....kinda like dirt...

Nothing but respect for you my good sir!

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:24 am

I think everone should read Pattersons post, he knows his stuff and has been around here FOREVER.....kinda like dirt... Nothing but respect for you my good sir!

Exactly :!:

To PLATON,

I have never made a jacket myself, but I have had an Indy jacket made from scratch locally and it IS a lot of work. I have worked from patterns too and when you change things you add a lot of time to whatever it is you are making.

G-MANN

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:36 am

Let the man do his thing and stop pestering him...

Maybe you are right and we should just stop 'pestering' him with any kind of jacket orders at all.

Some of you act like it's Peter's character at stake here and its nothing more than business, plain and simple.
How are we 'pestering him' if they make custom jackets and we give them measurements to make them, especially if we're paying for it? It is a business transaction and as such, I'd like what I ordered and what I paid for. It's nothing personal at all.

It's pretty simple actually.... all the normal jackets are made from patterns. Custom sizes require custom cutting, which equals atleast twice the work.

So, when is the last time you cut and made jackets from existing patterns? Please let us know how you come up with this figure and please don't forget that Wested offers custom, made to fit jackets on their site. It's not as if we are asking for anything out of the ordinary here. These guys are PROFESSIONAL CRAFTSMEN who have been doing this for a lifetime and all of you make out like we're asking them for things that are too far out of the box. No, they are not. They've seen all of it before and they can do it. You guys act like it's a hindrance to them yet, they offer custom jackets for a cost and we pay it.

Please stop making me feel as though I am in the wrong for asking for what I see on screen, especially since Wested offers to make it. If they make it, I'll pay for it.

Some of you guys seem to be begging Wested to raise their prices.

Jeez. If he does it, he does it, but stop asking for it.

It's like a joke.

I plan to order another Wested jacket, my 6th. Some of you think my jacket post a hindrance but I agree with Platon that it is giving Wested more business. People who already have jackets are now ordering again and again. How can that be bad in any way, especially if Peter raises his prices?

To ramble a bit more... When I put on my jacket I do not expect to look like Harrison Ford. Sometimes I think there are some who expect something like this to happen. I'm speaking to body-type issues, not the kinds of things one would need a therapist for...

Very, very true.

Terry Leonard and Martin Grace are pretty darned close to Ford's height and build, and were chosen partially because of this,

How you know this for certain, I have no idea.

but even we can tell when it is Leonard jumping from a horse or being dragged by a truck. Sometimes I get the feeling we expect this jacket to work magic - and we abuse Peter and company for this by saying the jackets are all wrong or by supplying some ridiculous laundry list of specific modifications when our expectations are not met.

You know those things in the Sunday paper where you can look at the two pics and see the differences in the two? Well, you can do that with the Wested. You can look at the film as see the differences, granted they may be small, but they are there when looking at an off-the-rack jacket. Peter has expained he made them different to fit all the different body types so what is wrong with giving them custom specs to YOUR OWN specific body type, especially since Wested makes custom jackets???

Why is that a 'rediculous laundry list'?

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:43 am

Well, if Peter doubles his price he will only have to make half as many to earn the same money

Cheers,
G-MANN

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:45 am

Well, if Peter doubles his price he will only have to make half as many to earn the same money

You guys need to stop while you're ahead and not give him any more ideas.

greatgarlando · Post by **greatgarlando** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:58 am

agent5 wrote:
Well, if Peter doubles his price he will only have to make half as many to earn the same money
You guys need to stop while you're ahead and not give him any more ideas.

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:04 pm

Personally I have all the Indy Jackets that I need for the rest of my life so whatever way Peter goes is COOL WITH ME.

Cheers,
G-MANN

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:23 pm

Personally I have all the Indy Jackets that I need for the rest of my life so whatever way Peter goes is COOL WITH ME.

Thanks then for thinking of the rest of us, bro.

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:26 pm

I guess 5 and I are in the minority here and if there's only two of us, there shouldn't be any problem with delaying other peoples jackets or pestering Peter with our lists of how we want our jackets. It's easy to feel like a target when your the minority I guess.

Is it not the current policy of Wested to charge extra for these special mods? Why is this new? That's what I've always heard while I've been here.

I'm quite happy with mine and glad I could ask for what I wanted. I'd still be interested to know how much different it is than a default. Anyone want to start a comparison thread? (who has a 40R)

Note on color: I read somewhere that once you see the authentic color you'll know it's THE color and I find that that is certainly true. Glad I got it.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:29 pm

Not that I'm personally aware of, Doc. The only 'extra' cost I ever remember him adding to the standard cost was to add gussets. Otherwise, all the extra work added to the standard request was being eaten by Wested.

Regards! Michaelson

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:34 pm

They've got the gussets and extra inside pocket listed as extra cost and under that it says:

Please note any requests other than sizing which deviate from the standard specification as above may well incur extra charges and will make the garment non exchangable

I think that's been up there sense I've been on here. (on their sizing page)

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:35 pm

I wasn't aware of the 'extra pocket' additional cost.

But, that said, I believe you answered your own question then. There are only 2 items listed as extra costs. All others are eaten by Wested in the extra work, as the key word is 'may'. It all depends on HOW much extra work is involved...and from what I've read recently, it appears to be getting pretty involved.

The 'non-returnable' clause on custom stuff has been standard since they started on the internet.

Regards! Michaelson

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:43 pm

Yeah, I guess "may" is up to them to charge if and what they want.

I also found on there that 1.5" is a standard storm flap size and that's what I asked for, so that's one thing that was standard though I still specified it.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:43 pm

_ wrote: PS: Michaelson – I need some help digesting the whole “dirt” thing… (grin) I guess there has been quite a bit of water under the bridge…

Don't worry about it, old friend. They accuse me of INVENTING dirt, so if you're older than that, we're in the same boat I'm afraid.

HIGH regards! Michaelson

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:49 pm

[quote="agent5
So, when is the last time you cut and made jackets from existing patterns?

[/quote]

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/1296/4horse1ed.jpg

Here, the cutouts on the wall ARE the TEMPLATES for the Indy Jackets Courtesy of KT Templar

Cheers,
G-MANN

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:58 pm

Some very good points raised here.

Any mods outside the standard cut affects each and every step of the process. From the person taking the order, to the cutter, to the machinist. They have to stop what they are doing, check that this piece is correct, and the position is correct, and then do the work. I've been told by Peter that a pocket size change and pleat change, adds about 2 hours to the time it takes to make a jacket. Now, I suspect that is quite a big chunk of time in the overall process. How much is 2 hours of your time worth?

Secondly, the price of these jackets has not changed in 10 years, they are due for a general price rise anyway.

Thirdly, previously Peter has only charged for pockets and gussets and a small Horsehide suppliment. A few months ago there was a heavily modded jacket, he quoted £180 (or thereabouts) the person complained and said he'd had one before at the standard price, so Peter let him have it. He is just re-iterating his right to charge more for more work done.

I believe he will instate a 2 tier price point structure. The first being the standard sizes with hardware and skin options. The second tier starting at a higher point and going up as the complexity goes up... beware: sky's the limit. (Platon this will work like a shopping list: x = £5, y = £10. He may not publish it but you can be sure it will figure in the quote!). But still there will be limit's to what he will do, he is the craftsman, and he will not do a request if it compromises the jacket.

My thing is this: Agent5 and Indy Doc this is not meant to be a personal attack but can you not see that requesting: I want a pocket x" from here and x" from there is slightly over the top? And you are not repecting Peter's and his staffs' expertise in the matter.

Regards,

Kt.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:10 pm

G-MANN wrote:
Here, the cutouts on the wall ARE the TEMPLATES for the Indy Jackets Courtesy of KT Templar

Cheers,
G-MANN

Just a little detail shot just in case you had any doubts

Kt

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:20 pm

I guess 5 and I are in the minority here and if there's only two of us, there shouldn't be any problem with delaying other peoples jackets or pestering Peter with our lists of how we want our jackets. It's easy to feel like a target when your the minority I guess.

Story of my life here, so don't lose any sleep over it.

agent5 wrote:
Quote:
Terry Leonard and Martin Grace are pretty darned close to Ford's height and build, and were chosen partially because of this,

How you know this for certain, I have no idea.

Well pal, I've actually met and talked to Terry Leonard. Here I see the first bit of wisdom in your posts - i.e. that you have no idea...

I apologize to the community for the flame, but the comment was out of line...

As with all of my dealings with you in the past, you have taken something and made something else out of it. If I came across like a jerk then I publicly announce that that was not my intention. I honeslty had no idea how you would know so I was asking but I can see now that it came out all wrong. So 'PAL' , there, my appologies. Maybe you can actually accept them this time.

My thing is this: Agent5 and Indy Doc this is not meant to be a personal attack but can you not see that requesting: I want a pocket x" from here and x" from there is slightly over the top? And you are not repecting Peter's and his staffs' expertise in the matter.

Because when I did I got a pocket that looked rediculous on me. Can you understand that, that the pocket size was too big for my body type? Because Wested offers pocket changes as a mod, I have no idea why you think we're out of line for asking this to be done? Some of what I'm reading in this thread has gotten me worried. Alot of you have some off the wall ideas floating around in your heads.
People have always asked for mods. As far back as I was a member. Why, all of the sudden is there any question about any of this? This is just beyond me. Seriously.

Agent5,

I suggest you take a some courses that deal with your anger and negativity. You don't seem to be able to handle an opposing view point very well, without making it personal.

First, you are assuming I'm angry and have no idea what you're talking about. I am not in the least as I am here at my computer having a discussion on a forum. A forum. A...forum.
Second, the only person who had backed up what they say so far, is _. Alot of people around here spout off and have no idea how to back up claims they make. Whether or not you agrew with him, he makes his claim and backs it up. I have not heard the same from you yet.

I'm quite happy with mine and glad I could ask for what I wanted. I'd still be interested to know how much different it is than a default. Anyone want to start a comparison thread? (who has a 40R)

GOD NO!!! Dude, we'll just be slammed again. Why even bother.

Ripper · Post by **Ripper** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:34 pm

Like Michaelson......knower of things....one of the originals , vintage......nothing but respect my friend. Dirt wasnt meant to be an insult.....

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:36 pm

agent5 wrote: Because when I did I got a pocket that looked rediculous on me. Can you understand that, that the pocket size was too big for my body type? Because Wested offers pocket changes as a mod, I have no idea why you think we're out of line for asking this to be done? Some of what I'm reading in this thread has gotten me worried. Alot of you have some off the wall ideas floating around in your heads.
People have always asked for mods. As far back as I was a member. Why, all of the sudden is there any question about any of this? This is just beyond me. Seriously.

Guess what, I agree with you, the LC pockets do look too big on us smaller framed people. My gripe here is the way you are requesting it. You should be able to say "Raiders Pockets" just like you can say "Raiders Collar" on an LC jacket.

I do feel that Peter probably ought to offer a LC "style" sized pocket and a Raiders "style" sized pocket. But that is up to him. There are actually 2 reasons for the bigger pocket (both from the man himself):

i) The most commonly quoted: So you can fit a diary in there.

ii) Is for people with big hands. They were getting a some returns from people ripping the handwarmers cos their hands were too big.

Kt.

Illinois Troy · Post by **Illinois Troy** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:48 pm

Personally, I'm not at all against Peter charging more for custom work...he still has to pay for extra material and work time for it to be cost effective. He's in the business to make money.

However, I dont think that going in with a "laundry list" is a bad thing, if you're paying for it and patient with Peter. Nor do I think it's frivolous as that's a matter of opinion anyway. If it wasn't for some of these laundry lists we would all still be wearing the "Raiders of the Last Crusade" Westeds that were being made in the late 90's to go with our PB's and Federations. Great stuff, mind you, but nowhere near as great as what we have now, imho.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:52 pm

Apology accepted, and please accept mine for the content and tone of the response...

Thank you and you bet I accept yours.

If my wife were alive she could tell you that I'm one person who has a unique ability to make nearly everything I want to get across come out wrong.

KT,
I would agree with you but the fact remains that some that want a Raiders jacket will need different sizes of pockets to adjust to their own individual sizes and body types if they want it to look right. This is why I think it's fabulous that Wested does this. As far as I know, they already have a standard sized pocket for both jackets and when I ordered it in standard sizes, the pocket was way too big for me. When I ordered again I made sure Peter knew this and he changed them per my request to the mm. It is now perfect FOR ME.
As Doc stated, it really think it is only a handful of us who are anal about all the aspect of the jacket compared to the majority who buy them. I can only hope and pray that Peter will continue to offer these custom requests, more money or not.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:04 pm

I don't think any of you should be limited from asking for mods. I just agree w/ Peter's musings to possibly change his pricing structure.

I also should have caveated my opinion w/ the fact that I ALREADY HAVE a Wested, but I'll probably buy another someday. But I thought about that after I posted, that might have seemed insensitive to those you hadn't gotten one yet. Not the intent. Just reassuring Peter that it is certainly his right and not an unreasonable proposition. (If we aren't reasonable, there's always the possibility that it becomes too much hassle to work w/ us at $300...so why bother at all? But I don't see anyone being unreasonable about the possible price change...)

Agent5, you don't need to apologize for what you want. Moving forward a little at a time is what helped get the Wested from where it was to where it is in the first place. You still want more? Go for it. You're the minority? Nothing wrong with that. Many folks are happy with it as is? Just a fact of life.

This is directed and everyone and no-one in particular: Ya'll don't need to look cross-eyed at each other just because you want different things.

J

(P.S. I was moved to see _ and Agent5 nearly hug...I'm just a softie, I guess.

)

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:39 pm

I, too, agree that you should be able to ask for mods, I'm just happy with the way my current jacket is. I don't think that it's really a matter of mods vs. no mods, rather that Peter should be able to price certain things accordingly to make up for his extra time on a particular jacket. Would I be happy for him to keep his current prices? Heck yeah, but I respect his right to change that. It wouldn't prevent me from buying another Wested, either, it would just mean I have to save up a little longer.

And Jerry, you are a softie, though being run over by the steam roller might have something to do with that.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:49 pm

You sure type like a tough guy, but I'll bet you would be more respectful to me in person.

Now you're getting it, man. Really. Everyone who's met me or spoken to me personally knows I talk like I type, but for some reason in person it doesn't come off as harsh. I just call them like I see them in person or on-line. Just ask Jerry or Bink. I'm a nice guy. Really. I feel like this $\:D/$ all the time.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:50 pm

agent5 wrote:
KT,
I would agree with you but the fact remains that some that want a Raiders jacket will need different sizes of pockets to adjust to their own individual sizes and body types if they want it to look right. This is why I think it's fabulous that Wested does this. As far as I know, they already have a standard sized pocket for both jackets and when I ordered it in standard sizes, the pocket was way too big for me. When I ordered again I made sure Peter knew this and he changed them per my request to the mm. It is now perfect FOR ME.

I thought this was common knowlege. ALL pockets, (no matter if you order Raiders, TOD or LC), are LC sized as standard and the pockets are scaled to the size of the jacket based on that. You got a Raiders with an LC pocket, simple. Apologies if I am stating the obvious here.

Kt

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:09 pm

agent5 wrote:[ I'm a nice guy. Really. I feel like this $\:D/$ all the time.

Wow, you were the very 1st person at COW that I sent a PM to. I figured we lived near each other so why not. I never received a reply. 1 week ago you asked me for information on the Forum on whom I bought my hats from locally.

The funny thing is all that info was in that 1st PM I sent that you disregarded.

Cheers,
G-MANN

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:25 pm

Guys, slow down a bit, you're more off topic at the moment than I usually am. (And that's not something to be proud of, in case you couldn't tell.)

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:41 pm

Indiana Jerry wrote:
agent5 wrote:Just ask Jerry or Bink. I'm a nice guy. Really. I feel like this $\:D/$ all the time.
Guys, slow down a bit, you're more off topic at the moment than I usually am. (And that's not something to be proud of, in case you couldn't tell.)

Nah. Agent5's a horse's patoot.

(You know I'm kidding, 5, Jerry's the horse's patoot.

)

BACK on topic-ish... to those who would send a large customized list to Wested, would you be willing to pay more for it than the usual? If I'm reading this thread correctly, it seems that some (not all) are more than happy to make requests, but as soon as the price changes, the reservations kick in...

bink

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:11 pm

KT wrote:

I thought this was common knowlege. ALL pockets, (no matter if you order Raiders, TOD or LC), are LC sized as standard and the pockets are scaled to the size of the jacket based on that. You got a Raiders with an LC pocket, simple. Apologies if I am stating the obvious here.

& that's what's wrong isn't it.

If you wanted a Wested TOD or LC jacket then you can order away & get the perfect usable & screen accurate jacket.

However, the Raiders jacket is a little different. From what Peter has said on these forums & to people in person, the jackets for Raiders were made in 10 days & some of the design was be no means perfect. The nickle zip is a classic example, that Peter fitted what was available & painted it brass, because the brass zip he now fits as standard was not available at the time he made the Raiders jacket, but that's what would have been fitted had he had time to source them before production.

The reality is when you order a Raiders jacket, without specifying the details as per Agent 5's post, you get a Raider'esque jacket with LC pockets (for example), etc. That is not a Raiders jacket.

Going back to design. Wested improved the design to meet modern needs of the customer & stop the jacket failing in various ways.

If you order an exact copy of the screen used Raiders jacket you would likely get a jacket with a small nickle zip which will break very quickly; action pleats that stay open all the time; a raised shoulder seam which could restrict you arm movement.
What Peter then get's is customer complaints about a jacket the customer ASKED to be made like that, but then doesn't like when it doesn't stand up to daily use!

The original Raiders jacket was after all made for a film, intended to last as long as it was needed for filming & that's it.
We as Gearheads all want jackets which will last a lifetime, despite expectations that it will go the the freezing top of Everest, across the burning Sahara & throught the soaking Amazon jungle, to only suffer what our own fevered minds throw up as the perfect amount of distressing!

It is a reality that the current jacket offered by Wested is a hybrid of improved design features, which do not conform to the Raiders jacket. The reality is the Raiders jacket is pretty much also the most popular for whatever reasons.

Do I want a jacket that is practical & hard wearing? You betcha!

But I also want a Raiders jacket. IMHO that cannot be achieved without at least having a smaller shoulder yoke, as that feature is fundamental to the look of the Raiders jacket, & that is quite aside from all the other screen accurate features Agent 5 highlights.

Peter has a number of issues here.
He has already stated he could produce screen accurate Raiders jackets, but customers would have to understand these would not stand up to heavy use. Trouble is, I bet someone would still complain

To produce this screen accurate Raiders jacket, would that be a custom item?
If it is a custom item, should he charge extra for it?

IMHO, cost should = the value of the work done.

We are a lucky band of people in that we have such wholesome vendors as Peter & Steve Delk, who are prepared to meet our needs, many times at the cost to their own pocket. I thank them for their generious spirit

Wested create leather garments & that includes custom work.
They can if THEY so wish do custom Indy jackets, but custom work DOES deserve to be price appropriately, especially when their are makers of reproduction A2 & G1 jackets who charge over £400/$700 a jacket & will not even entertain custom work.

On the subject of Mr. Agent 5. I don't know him, I've never met him & he is not my mate (other than in the sense you all are on here!

). But from what I have read of his posts all over this board, he is a straight talking guy, with firm belief in his own opinions, of which I don't always agree. That in itself is NOT deserving of flaming or cheap shots :evil: We are ALL better than that on this forum

& finally...

IndyDoc - that is probably the best Raiders jacket I have seen so far. Congratulations on a fine purchase!

Please could you post the measurements of the yoke depth from the collar seam to middle of the shoulder seam (widest point)

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:38 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:BACK on topic-ish... to those who would send a large customized list to Wested, would you be willing to pay more for it than the usual? If I'm reading this thread correctly, it seems that some (not all) are more than happy to make requests, but as soon as the price changes, the reservations kick in...

bink

A few months ago, I bought a Aero Leather Highwayman that I modified to have G-1 style pockets, bi-swing pleats and zip sleeves. Without customs charges the cost was $700. I chose this particular jacket because I love the way it looks. I did not like the way it fit though. With Flathead's help, I specified what I needed changed and ordered another jacket and only recently sold the first one on ebay for $325.

In my particular case, the cost outweights the desire to have exactly what I want and I will pay for it. But, at that point, I expect to get what I pay for as well. If a modification cannot be done for whatever reason, tell me ahead of time and I will consider that before plunking down the money, since it is up to me as the customer to make that decision.

I understand all of you do not want to do this, but for me it has always been to keep searching until you get what is perfect for you. Sometimes money accelerates that quest.