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Recently won an unissued MkVII off ebay and it arrived today!
It's wrinkly, stained and beat up looking and therefore perfect
I've no reservations about chopping the stitches on the strap when my Todd's gear arrives. I must admit it's a lot smaller than I was expecting...maybe the screen really does add ten pounds!
All I need now is some artifacts to fill it
It's wrinkly, stained and beat up looking and therefore perfect
I've no reservations about chopping the stitches on the strap when my Todd's gear arrives. I must admit it's a lot smaller than I was expecting...maybe the screen really does add ten pounds!
All I need now is some artifacts to fill it
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Dekker wrote:Hmm I really shouldn't have time off work...
the bag looks nice. To get rid of wrinkles you can fill it of light (but big) books and leave books in it for a couple of nights. It helps a lot
PS i've always spent 40-50 euro (about 50-60USD) shipping included for all the MKVII i've owned and i've always thought they are overpriced. Too many indynuts around the globe made these bags very expensive in these last years
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When I got into this part of the hobby back in 81/82, these bags were available for anywhere from 3 to 6 dollars a pop....depending on condition. They were everywhere. I even read where some folks just gave them to others because they were so easy to get hold of.
Boy, haven't times changed!!
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Boy, haven't times changed!!
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Box Respirator Case
...or gas mask bag. Sorry to rub it in guys, but in the UK unissued examples or these are still surprisingly common. They go for as little as £5 - £10 (about $8 - $16) in surplus shops, so someone is making a big profit.
Alan
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G-Mann; Where do you find replacement rings?
G-Mann,
Replacing the rings sounds great; where do you find them, and how do you install?
Looks like the original rings are welded or soldered.
Split rings (like for keychains) would be simple, but I don't think they'd look accurate.
Thanks,
Indy45
Replacing the rings sounds great; where do you find them, and how do you install?
Looks like the original rings are welded or soldered.
Split rings (like for keychains) would be simple, but I don't think they'd look accurate.
Thanks,
Indy45
You can find them at hardware stores. You may have to cut through with a hacksaw and spead it open wide enough to slip the canvas on the bag through then pinch them shut again. I have seen some O rings that were already open. I can't remember where I have seen them though. I will do a search and see if I can find them and repost.
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Who is your eBay contact? I had a bad experience with a seller on eBay last year who took my money and never sent me the bag, or answered my emails - and yet he continues to sell on eBay. Serves me right for buying through him without going through an eBay bid, robs me of the right to warn other buyers, bummer.G-MANN wrote:Dekker,
I think we may have bought from the same guy on ebay. Mine is identical to yours.
His Ebay ID is Santi1. If you want the link from the auction that I won send me a PM.Little Venice wrote:Who is your eBay contact? I had a bad experience with a seller on eBay last year who took my money and never sent me the bag, or answered my emails - and yet he continues to sell on eBay. Serves me right for buying through him without going through an eBay bid, robs me of the right to warn other buyers, bummer.G-MANN wrote:Dekker,
I think we may have bought from the same guy on ebay. Mine is identical to yours.
Cheers,
G-MANN
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Re: Box Respirator Case
Now if it had been a US gas mask bag instead of a UK bag the shoe would be on the other foot.Alan Eardley wrote:...or gas mask bag. Sorry to rub it in guys, but in the UK unissued examples or these are still surprisingly common. They go for as little as £5 - £10 (about $8 - $16) in surplus shops, so someone is making a big profit.
Alan
Oh well, it's only fair that the UK folks get a better deal on the bags since we in the US get better deals on so much else that's made here.
Regards,
Indybill
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I have a question, why is it that W+G Ltd. bags go for more money? I was looking at ebay auctions today ( search Mark VII and you will find some good mint ones) and looked at one sellers past auctions. He has sold at least 25 of these mint bags and they range from $40 to over $100!
I recently bought another H&S A for 50
I recently bought another H&S A for 50
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http://www.indygear.com/gear/bag.shtmlIndyGear Main Site wrote:Waring & Gilbow Ltd.
Positively identified as one of the versions used in the films.
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Waring and Gillow (1932) Ltd were an English furniture manufacturer contracted by the Ministry of Supply to make box repirator cases. They are the most common Mark Vll in the UK. I would expect to get a mint one for less than $15.
I guess they go for more because that's what the props department are supposed to have used in ROTL.
Now, here's another interesting fact, as I know many of you like to visit the Queen Mary in Long Beach. Waring and Gillow (1932 Ltd) were responsible for fitting out the First Class Accommodation. See for instance:
http://www.sterling.rmplc.co.uk/visions/retain4.html
The people who made your gas mask bag did that! How's that for interesting?
I guess they go for more because that's what the props department are supposed to have used in ROTL.
Now, here's another interesting fact, as I know many of you like to visit the Queen Mary in Long Beach. Waring and Gillow (1932 Ltd) were responsible for fitting out the First Class Accommodation. See for instance:
http://www.sterling.rmplc.co.uk/visions/retain4.html
The people who made your gas mask bag did that! How's that for interesting?
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Well, I got my bag today. I am not too happy about it. It is in mint unused condition, but I was led to believe I was getting an H&S A bag. I like the color a lot and it is real nice but...well for one thing it has button snaps, the snap is smooth too.. The vents are a tad bit different. I don't know if I want to keep it or sell it. It is made by a company I have never heard of...and I can't make it out too well. WHTTELEY'S? WHITELEY'S?
Kind of a @#$% deal they didn't say it wasn't the one in the photo...
Kind of a @#$% deal they didn't say it wasn't the one in the photo...
No VP, it doesn't look like that, which is strange. It has smaller print with no rectangle around it. VII WHITELEY'S 1942, on the strap it says the same thing in the same size print.
From what I can tell from the pictures, the vents have a circular patern in the holes, the bag I have has more of a mesh pattern. The strap is also much lighter.
Must just be a variation within the manufacturer. But thanks for pointing that out VP, I skipped over the abbreviations...
From what I can tell from the pictures, the vents have a circular patern in the holes, the bag I have has more of a mesh pattern. The strap is also much lighter.
Must just be a variation within the manufacturer. But thanks for pointing that out VP, I skipped over the abbreviations...
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Both vent patterns do occur.
There is a WPG one in there aswell.
You will even find that the lanyard discs can be different;
Myself am I firm believer that in at least some of the shots in any given movie there might have been flat snaps aswell, you just can't tell. Knowing how many jackets was used in a movie, I'm sure there were plenty of bags aswell. Only one bag was confirmed as being a W&G, from an auction. How can we be so sure all of them were?
Also, I've seen pictures of 1942 bags with the flat snaps, and most 1943 bags have the flat ones which leads me to guess that the Newey snaps stopped getting used on bags late 1942. The Newey ones are more complicated and use more material so this would have cut down the costs a bit.
Even the stitching varies within and from manufacturer to manufacturer sometimes.
Though $50 is pretty much, it is still a mint bag which sounds like a very nice Indy bag to me. I'd keep it, or at least hold on to it just a little bit longer.
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Swindiana
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As you have a observed, there is a wide variety of parts and patterns used on box respirator cases. You see various type of press studs (snaps) - I can count four types on bags in my small collection. Some are flat and shiny, others flat and dull, some round and dimpled and some are even painted green. There are several types of Newey and some are un-named. Likewise with the drain grommets. I have bags in at least three distinct colours - khaki, green and a pale tan shade. Then there are the Candadian bags!
I think we have to get away from any modern notions we may have of mass production or standardisation. In war time an item like a gas mask bag would be made from anything available.
As you have a observed, there is a wide variety of parts and patterns used on box respirator cases. You see various type of press studs (snaps) - I can count four types on bags in my small collection. Some are flat and shiny, others flat and dull, some round and dimpled and some are even painted green. There are several types of Newey and some are un-named. Likewise with the drain grommets. I have bags in at least three distinct colours - khaki, green and a pale tan shade. Then there are the Candadian bags!
I think we have to get away from any modern notions we may have of mass production or standardisation. In war time an item like a gas mask bag would be made from anything available.
I've had an exact same bag.I rather liked mine - there are SO many different manufacturers and several of them have different stamps for different years, and there's all the different snaps...Redinight wrote:No VP, it doesn't look like that, which is strange. It has smaller print with no rectangle around it. VII WHITELEY'S 1942, on the strap it says the same thing in the same size print.
From what I can tell from the pictures, the vents have a circular patern in the holes, the bag I have has more of a mesh pattern. The strap is also much lighter.
Must just be a variation within the manufacturer. But thanks for pointing that out VP, I skipped over the abbreviations...
..It really doesn't matter. These bags are a standard pattern and several bags were used in the movies. Yes ONE bag was identified as W&G - but several may have been Whiteley's, or HS&Sons or H&S Co or... ...
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Waring & Gillow
Here's another wartime issue product by W&G - with the full company name on the stamp. It's a Millbank bag and 'Indy' would probably have carried one on his expeditions in the late 1930s. A quiz - any of you outdoor types know what it's used for?
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Millbank Bag
It's about 12" long and 4" wide. Too small for a tent. Comes into its own in the jungle...