Best IOAB Raider's EVER!

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:22 pm

This post is a bit soon for me, but Adam at Winrich just sent me pics of my finished IOAB raiders style whip. I started off asking Adam for his IOAB with the darker raiders knot, but after searching posts and watching the film I noticed the darker colored IOAB raiders were too dark. I bugged Adam a bit and asked him if he could make me a really light brown IOAB and have the knot only slightly darker brown. Last week adam sent me a pic of the leather he wanted to use, and I got really excited, because it looked the perfect shades of brown. Today he sent me a pic of my finished 10foot Raiders IOAB and it is the most screen accurate IOAB ever made i think. The colors are PERFECT and Adam even thinks might start using these colors more often. Im glad I asked him enough because Adam definitely pulled through with an amazing looking whip. Once I get it, I will post about how it cracks.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:46 pm

That first shot really does look good in a "Stay out of the light" way.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:47 pm

I gotta say Adam is a real stand up guy, and congrats on your whip.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:07 pm

Congrats, Indakin! That was decent of Adam to work to your color choice!

(I like more of a whisky color as well, but I also keep in mind this is a budget whip offering, so we have already sacrificed SOME accuracy...so why not get a color you WANT?

) The colors vary in the movies anyway.

J

P.S. Adam - Cancel my order for the purple whip, btw, I've decided not to go as Indigo Jones for Halloween this year.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:27 pm

i can agree with u on that ken, everything really is a color preferance, and you seem to like the darker items too, like your whip and DB goat wested. From alot of what i saw, especially stay out of the light, and indy climbing up the german plane, and that fight, his wip is very light colored. From what i had read, i heard his whip was very natural colored. I also know that with time the whip will get darker, which will still work fine for me.

Would throwing some fullers earth on your whip be bad ken? I would think so, but it def would give it that worn in look if thats more your concern.

Jerry, why the purple whip? You must be watching indy on a really old broken tv. lol

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:44 pm

Upon sobering up, I realized it might have just been my eyes...now how to undye my wested? Sigh...

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:14 pm

Heyyyyy great lookin' whip, pal! Looks just like the one I'm fixing to get! See below. Fantastic whip for the price. Can't wait to get it and take it out cracking!

Don't mean to hijack your thread, good buddy. It's always better to post in an existing thread, than to start a new one.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:14 pm

Indakin,

I think that is just a great looking whip. Congratulations on coming up with a great idea and to Adam for making that idea come to fruition.

I agree that Indy's whip is a lighter color that all of the other IOAB whips. The whips in the films were Roo hide and when I got my David Morgan, it looked almost white. As soon as I got it, I posted a pic of it and because it was so light, someone posted that they thought it was too light colored. It gets darker, and that same whip is a very nice shade of brown right now. I have seen a few David Morgan whips that are older than mine, and they are even darker, yet.

GraveRobberGreg is a friend of mine and he has one of the IOAB whips and I have cracked it many times. I can't get over what a nice whip it is for the price. I keep saying that I am going to get one for myself. When I do, I may just follow your lead and get one from the lighter colored leather.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:17 pm

Strider,

You posted while I was typing. Are you getting a lighter colored IOAB whip, too? You lucky dog.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:09 pm

Strider wrote:
Don't mean to hijack your thread, good buddy. It's always better to post in an existing thread, than to start a new one.

Hey man adam actually sent me the pic of your whip the other day and told me this is how its gonan turn out. I thought it was mine at first lol. We both think alike i guess. The whip looks fantistic i think, i cant wait to get it next week. Dont worry man, its the same whip, go ahead and talk about it, the topic is called BEST IOAB RAIDERS, not Indakins whip

Also buffle, and anyone else whose interested, when looking at stridders whip i felt the knob was slightly smaller looking in the bottom picture so i mentioned that too him, and Adam ended up adding a second layer to it so it looks bigger. He thought it actually looked a bit better, so im glad i poitned it out. The only thing i would change now would be to make the wrist loop longer, but thats really minor and jsut a small detail i noticed in Kens pic that he posted. Otherwise its perfect!

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:08 am

Ragingblues wrote:Jerry, have you been drinking to much Welch's Grape Soda again?

Grape Wyler's and Jack Daniels. I don't think my fingers will ever return to their original colors.

Speaking of...yes, I do admit that I think those whips were a lighter color in the movie. I just like the whiskey color, that's why I asked Adam to make mine that color.

I think it makes it look a bit older right off the bat. Especially now that it's got a year's worth of darkening, especially on the handle.

One side note...try not to get sand in your whip. I can't find the old thread now, but I recall someone noting that sand particles getting inside the whip are like little bits of sandpaper grinding back and forth against the fibers of the whip...quite a visual. Despite the beach being a great open place for whipcracking - and being a great cover for the noise - I haven't ever taken it there for that reason. But the whip experts will know better than me, and hopefully one of them will chime in here as to whether or not I'm all wet...?

J

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:54 am

jerry, thats exactly why i asked ken about the fullers. Its one thing to add the sand and fullers if ur just using the whip as more of a static prop for gearing up. If u actually plan to use it though, those 2 can be very bad for ur whip. Sand is like little pieces of glass that get trapped in the leather and cut it up everytime you give ur baby a crack. If you have a very nice whip and care alot about it, then dont go near sand with it. The IOAB have the bigger plaits and are made to be able to take more abuse than a 12 plaiter would. I plan to use my whip alot, because its fun, so no sand for me. Fullers may not be as bad, but i still wouldnt let any get on mine if possible. Only pecards will go on my baby.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:04 am

Yup, that's about what I was thinking. I believe the fullers is a much finer grain, really a powder, so I can't imagine it would be anywhere near as harmful as common sand, but grit is grit I guess.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:12 am

Bufflehead Jones wrote:Strider,

You posted while I was typing. Are you getting a lighter colored IOAB whip, too? You lucky dog.

Yessir, thank ya much! I guess the pics of mine that I posted were the pics that Adam showed Indakin so he'd get a good idea of what his'd look like. Funny!

There'll be some pics of me with this puppy....at the beach.

just kidding.

Luisiana Jones · Post by **Luisiana Jones** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:57 am

Congrats on ur newest acquisition I got an IOAB and it cracks like ####!

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:01 pm

RE: Fullers earth on a whip.

For ANY 8-12 plait whip, especially Kangaroo, (Morgans included obviously,) Fuller's earth is a bad idea.

I see the arguement often that "But they used it on the props in the films." Yes they did. But there's a difference between props and actual collectable items. I often think it's funny over on the RPF when people want screen accurate props "just like in the movies." Often, the ones in movies were pieces of @#$% cobbled together at the last minute, (perfect example of this is an interview with Chris Eccleston, the actor who played the Doctor on the revival of the BBC series "Doctor Who," who was handed an upcoming toy based on a prop his character always had with him. He fiddled with it for a little bit and said something like, "this is actually nicer than the one they gave me!") The goal of any movie prop is to look good on screen for the few seconds its used, and then it can fall apart for all the production team cares, and often does, (which is why it often takes companies like MR so long to prototype their stuff, because they are looking for the best compromise between getting it to look as realistic as possible, but still allow it to be rugged enough for any abuse the collector might put it through.)

Now, Fullers Earth on one of Adam's IOAB whips. I don't think that there's much damage you can do to the bloody things! Buddy of mine who was a professional cowboy got one of the original designed IOABs, (shot loaded, Texas-style fall,) and took it to work on the ranch. Running it through mud, dust, sand, fodder, horse and cow dung. Using it to wrap tree branches and such that were cluttering the riding trails at the ranch, (so the lazy SOB didn't have to get off his horse.)

The darn thing is WELL broken in now, but it still in good shape and cracks like a cannon.

I'm not saying "Go out and try to destroy your IOAB Whip," I'm saying that they'll take a lot more abuse than most other whips people on this forum talk about.

Anyway, my bronchitis is calling. I'm going to go chug some more Dextromethorphan, (which I will readily blame for any lapses in judgement that may have been made in the composistion of this post.) ;-)

Later!

-Dan

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:15 pm

Ragingblues wrote:As far as whip color goes, keep in mind that I agree that the Raider's whip is lighter than the standard IOAB color, but it is also darker than Indakin's new one as well. It's just like the jacket color deal, would you rather lighten a darker one, or darken a lighter one... to get the real screen color? I don't think there is a wrong approach, and both can work very well.

Ken

I think there is only one approach to get the screen accurate color. Get the lighter one and let it darken with age. I haven't seen any whip lighten with age, so if you start with a darker whip, it is only going to darken with age. If it was darker than the color that you wanted, as it ages, it will darken and get further and further from what you wanted in the first place.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:19 pm

thefish- Glad to hear that Adams IOAB can really take the abuse. Although the lighter leather he used for mine is aparretnly a bit thinner than the normal stuff he used, he said it should be no problem, and if i ahd a problem he would fix the whip for free. Great guy Adam is, everyone should have an IOAB in their collection.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:34 pm

Ragingblues wrote:I wasn't suggesting that it would lighten with age. I'm sorry if that's the impression my post left. But, there are other ways to lighten leather, as can be seen on many of our jackets.

That is part of my point. The things that people do to artificially distress their jackets is not needed in this case. It is called distressing for a reason. With the lighter colored whip, it will darken naturally. To lighten a darker whip, you will have to do things that are detrimental to the whip.

I can not see any way of making the darker whip lighter, that would not be harmful to the whip. When it is a simple matter of getting a lighter whip that will naturally turn darker to the shade that you seek, what is the point of getting a darker one and then taking those extreme measures?

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:17 pm

buffle i agree with what you say.

Ken i agree with you too, its nice to not all be an exact copy of the next guy. Thats one thing i sometimes dont like about trying to be super screen accurate. If everyone's the same, then that can be borring. Im glad there is a variety of gear for Indy. For anakin its not so much, so it comes down more to who looks like hyden for the true effect.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:26 pm

thefish -

thanks for the feedback on the Fullers - and especially on the IOAB! Nice to know it passed 'battlefield testing'.

J

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:37 pm

awesome ken, glad it worked for u. I love how it looked on my gear, cant wait to see pics.

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:07 pm

Ken,

So you're going to 'age' the IOAB you got from me? Sounds interesting. Please post some pics when you're finished with it and let me know what you did.

-Adam

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:13 pm

About IOAB colors, I can't say that there is one 'standard color' anymore. I can never find a leather supplier that always has the leather I want in stock and at stable price. I was using Diamond Tan cowhide from Siegel's, but it's gone up in price. Now I may switch to using their chap sides, which is what I used in the two whips in this post. The chap leather comes in several colors, so it should allow for more flexible color selection, provided they keep all colors in stock.

Som de säger pa svenska, 'då ska vi se... '

So I've got an Ingmar Bergman movie in right now and I've got Swedish on the brain. At least I can sort of be like Indy by knowing at least ONE foreign language.

-Adam

jabahutt70 · Post by **jabahutt70** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:05 pm

Bufflehead Jones wrote: I think there is only one approach to get the screen accurate color. Get the lighter one and let it darken with age. I haven't seen any whip lighten with age, so if you start with a darker whip, it is only going to darken with age. If it was darker than the color that you wanted, as it ages, it will darken and get further and further from what you wanted in the first place.

Indakin wrote: Ken i agree with you too, its nice to not all be an exact copy of the next guy. Thats one thing i sometimes dont like about trying to be super screen accurate. If everyone's the same, then that can be borring.

Bufflehead, that's an awesome point! In fact, when considering "screen accuracy" on a whip~ just how long does anyone think their whip's color will remain screen accurate? Even if you buy a lighter colored whip, eventually it will probably become darker than what you see in Raiders.

I like Indakin's point also. What's wrong w/ putting a little twist on an existing idea or theme? Originality is lost when the same ingredients are followed by everyone. Adam W. makes outstanding whips! The IOAB whip is a tremendous addition to anyone's Indy Gear. And Adam, I mean no disrespect to you in any way, but the IOAB is not a screen accurate whip. It's not built exactly like a Morgan, even though it's awesome, the construction is different. Does it matter if the color is a bit off?

Steve.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:42 pm

Hey Jabba,

You've got a point about screen accuracy. Even David Morgan no longer makes his whips 100% screen accurate. He now puts the knot further up on the handle making the handle appear shorter. He says it is an improvement on the design.

Even the David Morgan whips that were used in the films are darker today, than they were when they were filmed.

What someone wants to do with their whip is strickly up to them. I just wanted to point out that trying to lighten a whip may be detrimental to the whip.

Someone may say that they only want a whip for a prop, but once they get it, I guarantee that they will attempt to crack it. Once they learn how, it will never be looked at as just a prop again.

I used to be in that camp. I thought, "how much fun can it be to just stand there and make a whip pop?" I thought it would get boring real fast. Now, I can't tell you how much time I have spent cracking whips. It really has been fun. Crack is addictive.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:45 pm

Ragingblues wrote:Adam, I just plan to try something subtle with the whip at first, and will post pics when I am done. I was cracking it today at lunch, and it really does a nice job, especially for a rookie like me.

Oh, boy! He is already hooked and he just doesn't know it, yet.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:59 pm

haaa those are funny Ken, They would make great bumper stickers.

And jabba, Adam knows that his IOAB's are not completely screen accurate, thats why the cost is so low. By using only 4 plaits vs the 12 for the screen whips its cheaper. He made the whips to specifically look like an indy whip but not cost a fourtune. If you look at his website he mentions this for the Indy On A Budget whips (IOAB).

jabahutt70 · Post by **jabahutt70** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:38 pm

Robert Duke has a good slogan on a t-shirt design. Check it out:
http://www.dukewhips.com/bullwhiptshirt.htm

Steve.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:37 pm

Just got my IOAB today. It's really smooth, and easy to crack. I took it out to the park as soon as I got it. Wet grass isn't bad to crack on, is it? When I came home, I was going to put some Pecards on the fall, and I noticed this little crack in the fall. It wasn't really deep, but is that normal? I think I cracked it for about half an hour before I went home because it was dark.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:58 pm

GTK strider im glad it cracked nice. I have a 10 footer so i should hopefully be able to wrap it around stuff nicely. No swinging, i just want to pull my friends legs out from under them. I think that would actually be a fun game. Someone calls go and your friend has to try to run away from you before you wrap his legs and pull him to his face lol.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:26 pm

Make sure you don't force anyone into a Barranca style faceplant. That would be very expensive when you recieved their hospital bill. Like Sergei said, whips can seriously ruin someone's day, if not used properly.

If you plan to crack for a while, I'd recommend getting something like Icy/Hot or Flex-all 454 to rub on your arm and shoulder afterwards so you're not sore the next day. I was sore for about a week after the Saturday of whipcracking at the QM.

Rusty Jones · Post by **Rusty Jones** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:54 pm

Strider wrote:Make sure you don't force anyone into a Barranca style faceplant. That would be very expensive when you recieved their hospital bill. Like Sergei said, whips can seriously ruin someone's day, if not used properly.

If you plan to crack for a while, I'd recommend getting something like Icy/Hot or Flex-all 454 to rub on your arm and shoulder afterwards so you're not sore the next day. I was sore for about a week after the Saturday of whipcracking at the QM.

I like to use my whip sometimes to exercise (I alternate hands and can crack left or right handed... but only right handed for the overhead crack)

That's a really cool looking whip, I've always thought the raider's whip was pretty light too...

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:56 am

Yea the whip is definitely lighter in reality, but the dark colors are understandable, it looks very dark in the well of soals when marion burns indy.

Yea strider i know what u mean. It was like playing baseball all over again. My shoulder was jsut a bit tired after cracking, but i didnt get sore. I lift all the time and have pushed my shoudlers so much harder, so a bit of whip cracking isnt enough to make them sore, but definitely tired

Im not gonna really wrap anyones legs and pull them down....
Unless they dont have their challange coin and try to make a run for it!

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:24 pm

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY MY whip came today! That was some fast shipping! I got home from teh gym and my parents said a box came, i was thinking it was some leather samples for a jedi belt, but they said it was a pretty big box...I KNEW it was my IOAB.

I cant say enough about how amazing this whip feels in my hand, and it is very pliable even though its only 4 plaits. Wow its so much more hefty in my hand then the crappy ebay whip i bought. Im am more than satisfied with this whip, im so glad i sold my other.

As for the color, it looks slightly darker in person, you might actually like it alot Ken. In Bright light, or with a camera flash it would look lighter like above.

My parents were like, WHY the heck did u get a whip, your going overboard!

They are leaving now so im gonna go outside and crack this mother

I cant say enough how beautiful this IOAB is, it melts my heart

When i make my whip holder today, ill take some full body shots in my completed gear. Im skipping my shower and going out to crack now, lata!!!!!!!!

Rusty Jones · Post by **Rusty Jones** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:37 pm

Awesome! enjoy it, and post some pics...

Quick note though: you may want to censor youself in that post or it might get deleted (I noticed the auto-censor didnt catch that one for some reason...)

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:38 pm

Nice language man

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:18 pm

yea sorry guys, i deleted that, i dont know why it didnt pick it up. Ill watch it next time.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:22 pm

well i couldnt really so anything yet, too much snow out, and my driveway will ruin the whip.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:22 pm

well i couldnt really so anything yet, too much snow out, and my driveway will ruin the whip. Didnt tear my arm yet, but im gonna have to be careful, this whips alot mroe serious than my other.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:09 am

Strider wrote:Wet grass isn't bad to crack on, is it?

Nope, shouldn't be. Sounds like grass is ideal. Getting it wet is okay, but you ought to hang it up where it can dry out overnight. Yep, pecarding the fall after using is advised a lot for most whips, but the truth is I didn't treat my IOAB for the first year (yes, I'm going to whip ####) and it weathered it alright.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:35 pm

I put Pecards on my fall after each use.

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:44 pm

yea thats what adam told me to do. He said he pecarded the IOAB alot hile makin it, so i wont have to do that for a bit.