Morgan "Old style" replica Indy bullwhip
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Morgan "Old style" replica Indy bullwhip
Dan, Jim(Markell) and all,
Here's the whip that I finished last week and told you about: a replica of an "Old style" Morgan, with a thinner handle and the ring knot located closer to the end of the 8 inch spike. The thong is also thinner, following as closely as possible the dimentions of the Raiders whip Sergei measured some time ago.
Just for fun, I even added the little tag lace that hangs from the wrist loop. And that tag string is not only present in the whip that Sergei photographed and document as an autentic Raiders whip, but it also appears in one scene of Raiders! For those of you (like me) that like to watch the Indy trilogy a million times, if you freeze the scene when the dead monkey is lying on the table, you'll see the coiled whip, with the wrist loop hanging down, and that little leather tag lace!
I though you might want to check that detail out...anyway, I hope you enjoy the pics!
Bernardo
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Here's the whip that I finished last week and told you about: a replica of an "Old style" Morgan, with a thinner handle and the ring knot located closer to the end of the 8 inch spike. The thong is also thinner, following as closely as possible the dimentions of the Raiders whip Sergei measured some time ago.
Just for fun, I even added the little tag lace that hangs from the wrist loop. And that tag string is not only present in the whip that Sergei photographed and document as an autentic Raiders whip, but it also appears in one scene of Raiders! For those of you (like me) that like to watch the Indy trilogy a million times, if you freeze the scene when the dead monkey is lying on the table, you'll see the coiled whip, with the wrist loop hanging down, and that little leather tag lace!
I though you might want to check that detail out...anyway, I hope you enjoy the pics!
Bernardo
www.delcarpiowhips.com
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Nice work!
But now make it out of kangaroo, please ....
I just found out from my cowhide supplier that medium brown cowhide is now almost $4 a square foot, and it's still too thick to make good 8- and 12-plait bullwhips. I'm thinking of switching to making all 8-plait and 12-plait bullwhips out of natural tan cowhide and ordering from you, Bernardo, unless you can work it out so I can order from the factory. I'm especially interested that you said he improved the formula and the cowhide is stonger.
-Adam
But now make it out of kangaroo, please ....
I just found out from my cowhide supplier that medium brown cowhide is now almost $4 a square foot, and it's still too thick to make good 8- and 12-plait bullwhips. I'm thinking of switching to making all 8-plait and 12-plait bullwhips out of natural tan cowhide and ordering from you, Bernardo, unless you can work it out so I can order from the factory. I'm especially interested that you said he improved the formula and the cowhide is stonger.
-Adam
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Bernardo, I was just wondering about this project this afternoon and was curious as to how it was comming along. I would say it turned out pretty well You definitely captured the look of the classic Raiders of the Lost Ark Bullwhip. Thanks for posting the photos, I really like it. Even the cowhide is kind of fitting, as it is believed some of the whips used in Raider may have been cowhide (English calfskin to be more correct) due to a ban on Kangaroo hide products in the U.S. from 74 to 81. Now I’d really like to see one made from Kangaroo though
Dan
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Wow....
I really admire you guys that know how to make whips. I can't imagine even trying to make one myself. I don't know how you do it. I think that whip is a work of art. Nice job.
Not to throw this topic of it's tracks but do any of you know how "close" the WSP Indy whips are to the original Raider's whip as far as design goes?
The only reason I ask is because I ordered one a few days ago and it's on it's way as we speak.
PITFALL
I really admire you guys that know how to make whips. I can't imagine even trying to make one myself. I don't know how you do it. I think that whip is a work of art. Nice job.
Not to throw this topic of it's tracks but do any of you know how "close" the WSP Indy whips are to the original Raider's whip as far as design goes?
The only reason I ask is because I ordered one a few days ago and it's on it's way as we speak.
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Thanks for all the kind words. Well, let's see...
-I don't have a web site yet...but that will change in the future.
-I do sell my work, and most of my whips go to WSP. From time to time I sell a few whips on ebay, and I get some retail orders from people that have seen my work there.
-I haven't weighted this whip yet, but it's lighter than my regular Cowhide Indy bullwhips. I would say it has a faster action.
Adam,
I'm sending you an e-mail regarding the leather.
Dan,
I asked Mr. Morgan about the posibility that the Raiders whips where all made of kip side, and he said the whips used in Raiders belonged to Glenn Randall, the stunt coordinator, and that here was a good chance that some of those whips may have been made in kip side, although some may have been made in kangaroo, since he had some skins left when the ban came into effect.
Pitfall Harry,
You know, you are not throwing the topic off its tracks, since I'm the one that makes WSP Cowhide Indys.
The leather I use is actually kip side, thicker than kangaroo, and thinner than regular cowhide. It is made to my specs. This allows me to make a whip a is as durable as a cowhide whip, but that still thin enough to make good looking whips.
I make my whips with the australian braided belly construction, with a bolster, and a rolled core. I follow as closely as possible Mr. Morgan's construction and style. He has helped me a lot in understanding his design principles, his techniques, and reasons behind everything he does.
Like Dan and I said above, there's a good chance that some Raiders whips (if not most) where made using Kip side. Check this out:
http://www.theraider.net/information/in ... llwhip.php
I developed WSP's cowhide Indy bullwhips to fill in the market for an affordable, high quality cowhide bullwhip with the Indiana Jones look.
Steve,
My cowhide whips have the same construction of a rolled core, a braided belly, and a bolster. Since cowhide is thicker than roo, there's no need and no room for two bellies.
To make this particular whip slimmer, I did not put a bolster. Other than that, it has the regular construction.
Thanks for the questions!
Bernardo
www.delcarpiowhips.com
-I don't have a web site yet...but that will change in the future.
-I do sell my work, and most of my whips go to WSP. From time to time I sell a few whips on ebay, and I get some retail orders from people that have seen my work there.
-I haven't weighted this whip yet, but it's lighter than my regular Cowhide Indy bullwhips. I would say it has a faster action.
Adam,
I'm sending you an e-mail regarding the leather.
Dan,
I asked Mr. Morgan about the posibility that the Raiders whips where all made of kip side, and he said the whips used in Raiders belonged to Glenn Randall, the stunt coordinator, and that here was a good chance that some of those whips may have been made in kip side, although some may have been made in kangaroo, since he had some skins left when the ban came into effect.
Pitfall Harry,
You know, you are not throwing the topic off its tracks, since I'm the one that makes WSP Cowhide Indys.
The leather I use is actually kip side, thicker than kangaroo, and thinner than regular cowhide. It is made to my specs. This allows me to make a whip a is as durable as a cowhide whip, but that still thin enough to make good looking whips.
I make my whips with the australian braided belly construction, with a bolster, and a rolled core. I follow as closely as possible Mr. Morgan's construction and style. He has helped me a lot in understanding his design principles, his techniques, and reasons behind everything he does.
Like Dan and I said above, there's a good chance that some Raiders whips (if not most) where made using Kip side. Check this out:
http://www.theraider.net/information/in ... llwhip.php
I developed WSP's cowhide Indy bullwhips to fill in the market for an affordable, high quality cowhide bullwhip with the Indiana Jones look.
Steve,
My cowhide whips have the same construction of a rolled core, a braided belly, and a bolster. Since cowhide is thicker than roo, there's no need and no room for two bellies.
To make this particular whip slimmer, I did not put a bolster. Other than that, it has the regular construction.
Thanks for the questions!
Bernardo
www.delcarpiowhips.com
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Bernardo,
I think Pitfall wanted to know how is new WSP Strain kangaroo bullwhip will be different than the Raider's whips.
Basically the Raider's whips had wider strands in the braiding and bigger knobs on the end of the handle. Or at least the knobs looked bigger than those being made by Morgan today because the rest of the whip was smaller back then. I think that contributes to that 'long-handled look' that we see in 'Raiders', ie. that the diameter of the whip is smaller.
Also, if you get Joe's standard WSP Indy, the knob will have a different knot on it than the Raiders's whips.
-Adam
I think Pitfall wanted to know how is new WSP Strain kangaroo bullwhip will be different than the Raider's whips.
Basically the Raider's whips had wider strands in the braiding and bigger knobs on the end of the handle. Or at least the knobs looked bigger than those being made by Morgan today because the rest of the whip was smaller back then. I think that contributes to that 'long-handled look' that we see in 'Raiders', ie. that the diameter of the whip is smaller.
Also, if you get Joe's standard WSP Indy, the knob will have a different knot on it than the Raiders's whips.
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Yeah, I was wondering what the difference was between the actual Raider's bullwhip specs and the Indiana Jones whips offered on WSP.
I knew from reading on here that the original whips had a bigger turks head knot at the bottom and that the handle was slightly longer but has since been shortened to improve the whips handling and performance.
I noticed that the whip I'm getting seems to have a rounder knot at the end.
I'll know exactly what mine looks like when I get it this week. I can't wait.
I think I found the whip Bernardo helped design on the WSP. Is this it?
I knew from reading on here that the original whips had a bigger turks head knot at the bottom and that the handle was slightly longer but has since been shortened to improve the whips handling and performance.
I noticed that the whip I'm getting seems to have a rounder knot at the end.
I'll know exactly what mine looks like when I get it this week. I can't wait.
I think I found the whip Bernardo helped design on the WSP. Is this it?
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Yep, thats what i heard too, Just to be clear though the overlay on that Whip Sergie looked at was Kangaroo, not kip side. From stills and such I think many of the others in Raiders where Kangaroo as well.I asked Mr. Morgan about the posibility that the Raiders whips where all made of kip side, and he said the whips used in Raiders belonged to Glenn Randall, the stunt coordinator, and that here was a good chance that some of those whips may have been made in kip side, although some may have been made in kangaroo, since he had some skins left when the ban came into effect.
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Sorry pitfall,
I asummed you were talking about my whips... so you were indeed throwing the topic off its tracks! hahaha
WSP Indy whips are somewhat thinner than modern Morgans, and thus closer looking to the Raiders whip. Design-wise, they are basically the same. Like Adam said, there are minor differences, like the turks head knot.
Hey Adam (Winrich),
Yes, you are right, I asked Morgan why his whips older whips were slimmer. He said he didn't remember! although he sugested some whips turned out slimmer because of thinner leather. Dan heard that no second bolster was used. Who knows!
There were some design improvements/changes, because the Raiders whip that Sergei documented has an almost even diameter from handle to thong, and more modern morgans have a much thincker thong right after the ring knot. Unless we take one appart, we'll never know for sure.
Dear Paul,
Thank you! Very falltering hearing comments like that from a talented whipmaker like you.
Adam (mola ram)
Thanks my friend. PM sent.
Dan,
I also asked Morgan about visually telling the difference between a whip made out of kip side and one made out of kangaroo. He said you can't, unless you have a microscope on hand to look in detail the grain structure of the leather.
Some time ago I bough from WSP a whipmade by Krist King in thin kip side(1.0mm), and it looked just like roo. I was able to tell it wasn't just by looking at the flesh side, which was hairy. The wrist loop of the Raiders whip looks like that too...
Bernardo
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I asummed you were talking about my whips... so you were indeed throwing the topic off its tracks! hahaha
WSP Indy whips are somewhat thinner than modern Morgans, and thus closer looking to the Raiders whip. Design-wise, they are basically the same. Like Adam said, there are minor differences, like the turks head knot.
Hey Adam (Winrich),
Yes, you are right, I asked Morgan why his whips older whips were slimmer. He said he didn't remember! although he sugested some whips turned out slimmer because of thinner leather. Dan heard that no second bolster was used. Who knows!
There were some design improvements/changes, because the Raiders whip that Sergei documented has an almost even diameter from handle to thong, and more modern morgans have a much thincker thong right after the ring knot. Unless we take one appart, we'll never know for sure.
Dear Paul,
Thank you! Very falltering hearing comments like that from a talented whipmaker like you.
Adam (mola ram)
Thanks my friend. PM sent.
Dan,
I also asked Morgan about visually telling the difference between a whip made out of kip side and one made out of kangaroo. He said you can't, unless you have a microscope on hand to look in detail the grain structure of the leather.
Some time ago I bough from WSP a whipmade by Krist King in thin kip side(1.0mm), and it looked just like roo. I was able to tell it wasn't just by looking at the flesh side, which was hairy. The wrist loop of the Raiders whip looks like that too...
Bernardo
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And the plot thickens… Does Kip darken up like bark tanned Kangaroo hide?I also asked Morgan about visually telling the difference between a whip made out of kip side and one made out of kangaroo. He said you can't, unless you have a microscope on hand to look in detail the grain structure of the leather.
Some time ago I bough from WSP a whipmade by Krist King in thin kip side(1.0mm), and it looked just like roo. I was able to tell it wasn't just by looking at the flesh side, which was hairy. The wrist loop of the Raiders whip looks like that too...
That was the reason I heard for the thinner handle prior to 1999.Dan heard that no second bolster was used
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Buenos Dias, Bernardo! Great work as always! Now that I have a couple of your whips, I need to get a camera that takes pictures as nicely as your does! I just got a new Olympus that I'm still toying with. Hopefully I can get some nice pictures of my whips soon.
On a side note, I just returned the roohide I ordered because it was terrible. (Whipmakers, beware of roohide from Seigel's. I'll stick with Hardtke from now on.) So expect an order from me for some skins this week.
Jim
On a side note, I just returned the roohide I ordered because it was terrible. (Whipmakers, beware of roohide from Seigel's. I'll stick with Hardtke from now on.) So expect an order from me for some skins this week.
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Shane,
I can't sell any 8 plait Cowhide Indys directly I'm afraid. You have to go through WSP.
But, I can take orders for the 12 plaits, and the 16 plaits if I have suitable hides. I'm still working on the definitive price list, but they will obviously cost more than the 8 plaits I make for WSP.
Jim,
Gracias amigo! great news about your new camera. I'm looking forward to seeing your pics!
Regards,
Bernardo
I can't sell any 8 plait Cowhide Indys directly I'm afraid. You have to go through WSP.
But, I can take orders for the 12 plaits, and the 16 plaits if I have suitable hides. I'm still working on the definitive price list, but they will obviously cost more than the 8 plaits I make for WSP.
Jim,
Gracias amigo! great news about your new camera. I'm looking forward to seeing your pics!
Regards,
Bernardo
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Her Jones,
Thanks! I forgot to say how deeply impressed I am about your first whip. Simply amazing! If your first whip looks like that, I can't imagine how the next ones are going to look...
The hide I use is vegetable-tanned kip side, natural tan in color. This type of leather comes in several thicknesses(weights); I specify 1.5mm which is a good comprimise between good looks and strenght.
You may also find it in 2 1/2 oz (1mm), but in that weight it won't have any strength advantage over kangaroo.
Hope that helps,
Regards,
Bernardo
Thanks! I forgot to say how deeply impressed I am about your first whip. Simply amazing! If your first whip looks like that, I can't imagine how the next ones are going to look...
The hide I use is vegetable-tanned kip side, natural tan in color. This type of leather comes in several thicknesses(weights); I specify 1.5mm which is a good comprimise between good looks and strenght.
You may also find it in 2 1/2 oz (1mm), but in that weight it won't have any strength advantage over kangaroo.
Hope that helps,
Regards,
Bernardo
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