True Hat Crime!

Snakewhip_Sable · Post by **Snakewhip_Sable** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:59 pm

Neither Indiana Jones, nor Adventurebilt/Steve D., aka "Fedora" are mentioned in the Wikipedia under the heading: Fedora.

...although, Dick Tracy and Joey Jeremiah from Degrrassi are, in fact, mentioned. Is this not a crime? I think it is.

I'm sure you folks could think of a whole lot more missing info and examples that deserve to be there.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:04 pm

Well, that's read with mixed feelings. I've read a lot of comments on the watch/clock forums that most of the information on that site (all entered by individuals, by the way, and not academics) regarding timepieces is incorrect.......so I'm not sure if I'd want to be listed there myself or not!

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Jens** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:25 pm

Well ... I know this might go a little bit off toppic, but just don't judge that hard about Wikipedia.
It's an interesting project and 'though not comparable with academic sources not that useless. Some weeks ago "Nature" made a comparison beetween facts and info on wikipedia and the well known "Encyclopedia Britannica".

Here you can find the result: http://news.com.com/Study+Wikipedia+as+ ... 97332.html

PS: The missing of any Indy relating info connected to the term "Fedora" is a shame indeed ...

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:29 pm

Oh, I'm not judging them to hard. That's just me and my opinion. Nothing is perfect in terms of resourse material, but there are some that are more dependable than others, especially in particular topics. The problem with Wikipedia has been that it's not been correct in the subjects I'VE been interested in, and therefore not my top pick of a resource vehicle. That's all.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Jens** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:37 pm

Oh, sure. I didn't want to blame you for anything.

I just wanted to throw this comparison into the discussion.

And in some "fields" Wikipedia IS wrong. So you're right. I would never use them as source in a scientific work (I'm sure any of my Professors would return the work immediately ...).

Regards,
Jens

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:41 pm

You better believe it. It's not accepted as source material here at the University of Tennessee either.

Regards! Michaelson

Alan Eardley · Post by **Alan Eardley** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:05 pm

Michaelson,

The validity of any reference source depends on the way it is used. If a student of mine used a reference from Wikipedia as authorative support of a key point in a thesis, I would not accept it. However, if it was clearly used as 'an opinion' (as with any unrefereed publication or personal communication) and the reference made this clear, I would accept it.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:09 pm

Alan Eardley wrote:Michaelson,

The validity of any reference source depends on the way it is used. If a student of mine used a reference from Wikipedia as authorative support of a key point in a thesis, I would not accept it. However, if it was clearly used as 'an opinion' (as with any unrefereed publication or personal communication) and the reference made this clear, I would accept it.

That seems logical. Most all professors I've had have ban use of the internet all together. I can't say I blame them. Too much misinformation and loose ends to document sometimes. Not to mention cheater.

Post by **Jens** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:28 pm

J_Weaver wrote:Most all professors I've had have ban use of the internet all together.

Interesting. I found out, it seems to depend on the subject / science.
My Professor in Archaeology would reject every internet source per se (if you can't prove it's just the online version of a special scientific journal).
My teachers in Journalism / Communicating Science would appreciate internet-sources if they are correct quoted and shown as online information.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:40 pm

Thats a good point Jens. I can certainly see where the internet fits journalism and communications. All of the papers I've done have been history, science, or english. For those there are plenty of sources in the print. The biggest problem with the internet (according to my professors) is that it makes cheating much easier, and it is also hard to check the sources. So I guess it creates a lot of work that the professor doesn't need.

Where's that Professor Ed where you need him?

Kaleponi Craig · Post by **Kaleponi Craig** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:54 pm

Snakewhip_Sable wrote:Neither Indiana Jones, nor Adventurebilt/Steve D., aka "Fedora" are mentioned in the Wikipedia under the heading: Fedora.

...although, Dick Tracy and Joey Jeremiah from Degrrassi are, in fact, mentioned. Is this not a crime? I think it is.

I'm sure you folks could think of a whole lot more missing info and examples that deserve to be there.

He's not under fedora, for some reason, but there is a pretty cool bio of Indy here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones

which includes a picture of a 50 year old Indy with a nice lid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mo_37.jpeg

Kaleponi Craig

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:50 am

Alan Eardley wrote:Michaelson,

The validity of any reference source depends on the way it is used. If a student of mine used a reference from Wikipedia as authorative support of a key point in a thesis, I would not accept it. However, if it was clearly used as 'an opinion' (as with any unrefereed publication or personal communication) and the reference made this clear, I would accept it.

That's well and good, Alan, but I just stated the rules of UT here, and our particular campus being a graduate level ONLY campus of UT, they're even tougher on what is and is not allowed in master and doctorial level work. The only time I know of internet source material being allowed is in accessing juried journals that could be had in hard print as well, but more convient for reading via internet access.

Regards! Michaelson

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:33 am

USATODAY.com - A false Wikipedia 'biography'

Since this story, Wikipedia has lost a lot of credibility. I wouldn't use this site for one of my rants, much less a term paper.

Snakewhip_Sable · Post by **Snakewhip_Sable** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:09 pm

I'm just sayin', when you think fedora, don't you automatically and instantly think of Indiana Jones first? ...and then think of other examples?

It's why they said, "The man with the hat is back!", after all.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:11 pm

So true!

Regards! Michaelson

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:13 pm

Wikipedia rules. The whole concept is that everybody can edit information that's in there. That means that the information is always up to date and the biggest mistakes are quickly corrected as is vandalism. If you find any mistakes or think that something should be added, by all means do it yourself. The Fedora page now has a mention of Indy.

Havana · Post by **Havana** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:17 pm

Speaking as an actual university academic (I've got papers), I rank Wikipedia right up there with stories that begin with "My uncle used to know a guy who's cousin knows all about (blank) and he said...." Don't believe anything you read on the internet (unless it comes from Michaelson). Seriously, would Dr. Indiana Jones use Wikipedia? "Wikipedia speaks of the Ark leveling mountains and laying waste to entire regions." "The captain was just telling me some of the interesting history of the palace that he picked up from Wikipedia." "I've heard this bedtime story before, read it on Wikipedia, actually."
and my favorite "Wikipedia. I hate these guys."

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:19 pm

Havana wrote:." Don't believe anything you read on the internet (unless it comes from Michaelson). .

Boy, do I have YOU fooled!

I appreciate the compliment, Havana.

It's not correct, but much appreciated.

Regards! Michaelson

Havana · Post by **Havana** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:47 pm

I think I got a little off topic with my tirade there. Getting back to the Snakewhip's original comment, I think any discussion of noteworthy fedora wearers that leaves out Indiana Jones is a true crime and it's a mistake that no true fedora lover would make.

Dekker · Post by **Dekker** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:54 pm

So...someone here is submitting an entry for Indy...right?

It may be the case that Wikipedia doesn't constitute an academically viable source of information but that shouldn't stop us from spreading the good word!

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:10 pm

True. I totally lost the point of the original post. Soneone needs to put it in, REGARDLESS of it's standing.

Regards! Michaelson

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:15 pm

It's already there, like I said in the previous post of mine.

Wikipedia wrote:Indiana Jones, the fictional archeaologist and adventurer, is known for his brown fedora and leather jacket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_%28hat%29

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:28 pm

Ah. Missed that, VP. Sorry.

Regards! Michaelson

Snakewhip_Sable · Post by **Snakewhip_Sable** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:39 pm

Did you add it, VP? 'Tweren't there when I started the post.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:40 pm

No I didn't, a guy with the IP 192.128.133.68 added it yesterday.

Snakewhip_Sable · Post by **Snakewhip_Sable** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:53 pm

Justice is served. Thanks to the do gooder, whomever it is.

I'd have added it, but I'm technomologicimally impaired. I blame my edumacation (too much American TV

).

VP · Post by VP » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:24 am

Just press edit at the top of the article and start typing.

Prof. Ed · Post by **Prof. Ed** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:27 pm

J_Weaver wrote:Thats a good point Jens. I can certainly see where the internet fits journalism and communications. All of the papers I've done have been history, science, or english. For those there are plenty of sources in the print. The biggest problem with the internet (according to my professors) is that it makes cheating much easier, and it is also hard to check the sources. So I guess it creates a lot of work that the professor doesn't need.

Where's that Professor Ed where you need him?

Here I am.
My students in the "Introduction to College" classes are required to attend a seminar put on by the college library staff. I attend with them. In four years, I have never had a presentor or student mention the Wikipedia. Many scholarly search engines and resources are mentioned and examples from the internet given. The presentors even teach the students how to properly document an online source.
Thus, from my experience, I can say that I've never really heard of any of my students or the librarians use it.

Hope this was helpful.

Prof. Ed

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