Hope you are all making it though the holiday season in one piece. I just wanted to show off a couple of my new acquisitions. They are both 12 plait kangaroo hide. The first is 6 ft saddle tan Indy style bullwhip made by Joe Strain. The second is a 5 ½ foot dark brown competition style stockwhip made by Terry Jacka. Enjoy.
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All the Best.
Dan
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Dan, Brett Thank you. I was very happy how these two whips turned out. Joe and Terry make superb whips. Both are solid, tightly plaited, perfectly balanced and very responsive. I was also glad I went with saddle tan this time around; I was a bit skeptical when I first ordered but quickly found that as nice as it looked in photos, it was even better in person.
Dan, I know you currently use one of Joe’s lone star bullwhips, so I don’t have to tell you about the quality of his work. Terry’s bullwhips tend to be a bit lighter as per his preference, but you won’t go wrong with which ever whip you choose.
Brett, Congratulation on your order, look forward to hearing your thoughts when it arrives. I know you will enjoy your new bullwhip as much as I enjoy mine.
All the Best!
Dan
Dan, I know you currently use one of Joe’s lone star bullwhips, so I don’t have to tell you about the quality of his work. Terry’s bullwhips tend to be a bit lighter as per his preference, but you won’t go wrong with which ever whip you choose.
Brett, Congratulation on your order, look forward to hearing your thoughts when it arrives. I know you will enjoy your new bullwhip as much as I enjoy mine.
All the Best!
Dan
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Hey Dan Trout, here's a pic of a 6 footer that I made this past summer.
-Adam, www.winrichwhips.com
PS: Thanks for the info about my PC and DVD regions.
That's a nice looking whip, Adam!
Dan, I'm with you on how light Terry Jacka whips are! A friend of mine has a 6' and 10' Jacka, and I swear that the 10 footer is ligher than my 8 foot Strain! I've cracked the 6 footer, and it was like it was barely there!
Crack 'em both in good health!
Happy New Year,
-Dan.
Dan, I'm with you on how light Terry Jacka whips are! A friend of mine has a 6' and 10' Jacka, and I swear that the 10 footer is ligher than my 8 foot Strain! I've cracked the 6 footer, and it was like it was barely there!
Crack 'em both in good health!
Happy New Year,
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Dan, Ironically Joe’s whips have gotten lighter over the years, they used to be much heavier. But I have to admit whether they are heavy or light, I have rarely met a well-made balanced whip that I haven’t liked. Though I find that as I get older the heavier slower whips seem to stay in the bag more. 
Adam, very nice. I always enjoy seeing pictures of your work, i really like the fancy two-tone plating you did on the handle.
Brett I am sure you will not be disappointed, nothing against our very talented whip makers here at Club Obi Wan, but Joe Strain makes some of the best Indy bullwhips (and whips in general) period.
All the Best to all of you and Have a safe, Happy New Year.
Dan
Adam, very nice. I always enjoy seeing pictures of your work, i really like the fancy two-tone plating you did on the handle.
Brett I am sure you will not be disappointed, nothing against our very talented whip makers here at Club Obi Wan, but Joe Strain makes some of the best Indy bullwhips (and whips in general) period.
All the Best to all of you and Have a safe, Happy New Year.
Dan
Well, it's been a while...BUT.
I wasn't exactly referring to how heavy Strain whips are. I love my Lonestar. But I was talking about how darn light Jacka whips are.
Incidentally, if all works out, I'll have that Jacka target whip in a week or so. ;-) Will post updates, and pictures if things come to pass ;-)
-Dan
I wasn't exactly referring to how heavy Strain whips are. I love my Lonestar. But I was talking about how darn light Jacka whips are.
Incidentally, if all works out, I'll have that Jacka target whip in a week or so. ;-) Will post updates, and pictures if things come to pass ;-)
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Cheers, Dan!
Incidentally, (I use that word a bit excessively don't I, just about as often as I write, "I digress..." Anyway, I digress.)
Things HAVE indeed worked out. The Jacka whip is a 6 footer that I got from eBay, (reason I didn't mention it here, live auctions and all.) It's one of the standard "Australian Whips" that Western Stage Props carries. Guy who was selling it bought it a couple years ago, has cracked it all of about 5 or 6 times, so it's all but new, (though I'm expecting it to be a little dry, so it gets a nice treatment of conditioner when it arrives.)
I got a good deal because the guy just didn't set up an appealing auction, (one bad picture, bad description, preset opening bid AND a reserve.) I just got better information out of him. I do have a picture of it, but as I said, it's bad, so I'll just wait until it gets here, and I'll post pics then.
I HAVE cracked one of these before though. My friend, Rich Hoffman, (author of the novel "Symposium of Justice" which is currently being adapted to a short independent feature directed by yours truly. Principle photography beginning this June, hopefully debuting at a film festival or Sci-Fi Convention near you June 2007! Check Cliffhangernow.com or Fishmongerfilms.com for details. There. Gratuitous Media Plug over. Again, I digress.) has one exactly like this that I cracked the last time I was in Cincinatti, and I fell in love with it.
So, I'm excited! I'll keep folks posted.
Thanks for reading, (through my digressions and media prostitution,)
-The Other Dan
Incidentally, (I use that word a bit excessively don't I, just about as often as I write, "I digress..." Anyway, I digress.)
Things HAVE indeed worked out. The Jacka whip is a 6 footer that I got from eBay, (reason I didn't mention it here, live auctions and all.) It's one of the standard "Australian Whips" that Western Stage Props carries. Guy who was selling it bought it a couple years ago, has cracked it all of about 5 or 6 times, so it's all but new, (though I'm expecting it to be a little dry, so it gets a nice treatment of conditioner when it arrives.)
I got a good deal because the guy just didn't set up an appealing auction, (one bad picture, bad description, preset opening bid AND a reserve.) I just got better information out of him. I do have a picture of it, but as I said, it's bad, so I'll just wait until it gets here, and I'll post pics then.
I HAVE cracked one of these before though. My friend, Rich Hoffman, (author of the novel "Symposium of Justice" which is currently being adapted to a short independent feature directed by yours truly. Principle photography beginning this June, hopefully debuting at a film festival or Sci-Fi Convention near you June 2007! Check Cliffhangernow.com or Fishmongerfilms.com for details. There. Gratuitous Media Plug over. Again, I digress.) has one exactly like this that I cracked the last time I was in Cincinatti, and I fell in love with it.
So, I'm excited! I'll keep folks posted.
Thanks for reading, (through my digressions and media prostitution,)
-The Other Dan
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You've seen us mentioned? Where? I swear it's all lies! ;-)
Seriously,
We're trying to really show what you can do with a bullwhip on screen that DOESN'T require CGI, and clever editing, (cause, let's face it, the only time in the trilogy we actually get to SEE Harrison crack the whip is the Cairo street scene. Everything else is just fast cuts.) The goal is to end up with scenes edited like Jackie Chan and Jet Li films: Long shots that really show off the skills of the performer, rather than quick cuts and special effects that cover up how fast the actor/actress had to learn to use it.
Rich, (Hoffman, the author,) and I have some huge ideas.
It's going to be daunting. But I think it will be worth it.
As to the Jacka whip, don't have it yet. Due to the long weekend last week, and an illness I have YET to beat, Didn't get payment out until Thursday.
The Whip's in Laramie, Wyoming.
I'm in Athens Ohio.
But I'm waiting PATIENTLY, (read that last word with as much lack of sincerity as you can, and you've about got my feeling...)
-Dan
Seriously,
We're trying to really show what you can do with a bullwhip on screen that DOESN'T require CGI, and clever editing, (cause, let's face it, the only time in the trilogy we actually get to SEE Harrison crack the whip is the Cairo street scene. Everything else is just fast cuts.) The goal is to end up with scenes edited like Jackie Chan and Jet Li films: Long shots that really show off the skills of the performer, rather than quick cuts and special effects that cover up how fast the actor/actress had to learn to use it.
Rich, (Hoffman, the author,) and I have some huge ideas.
It's going to be daunting. But I think it will be worth it.
As to the Jacka whip, don't have it yet. Due to the long weekend last week, and an illness I have YET to beat, Didn't get payment out until Thursday.
The Whip's in Laramie, Wyoming.
I'm in Athens Ohio.
But I'm waiting PATIENTLY, (read that last word with as much lack of sincerity as you can, and you've about got my feeling...)
-Dan
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Dan, sorry about the delay, I am usually much better about replying in a timelier manner but I haven’t been able to get in much lately.
Athens Ohio, smack dab in the middle of the great Hopewell culture! Very nice.
I am not always the most patient person either, so if you don’t have your new bullwhip already I hope it gets to you soon. I use Terry’s 8-foot Australian bullwhips pretty regularly and have always been very happy with them over the years.
I know I seen the advertisement for Symposium of Justice on Gery Deers website, I think another as well. It sounds like a great project. I’m all for using real whip handling skills instead of CGI. From the clips you’ve pointed out it looks like your utilizing some good whip work in it, I hope I get a chance to see the finished version. All the best.
Dan
Athens Ohio, smack dab in the middle of the great Hopewell culture! Very nice.
I am not always the most patient person either, so if you don’t have your new bullwhip already I hope it gets to you soon. I use Terry’s 8-foot Australian bullwhips pretty regularly and have always been very happy with them over the years. I know I seen the advertisement for Symposium of Justice on Gery Deers website, I think another as well. It sounds like a great project. I’m all for using real whip handling skills instead of CGI. From the clips you’ve pointed out it looks like your utilizing some good whip work in it, I hope I get a chance to see the finished version. All the best.
Dan
I got my Jacka whip today, and it is beautiful. The fall, however has some problems. It's obvious that this whip was cracked all of 6 times, (he told me he'd only cracked it about that often, but I thought he'd meant "cracked it repeatedly for six whip sessions," not, "only thrown the whip out there to make noise six times," which it turned out to be.)
The fall was DRY when I took it out of the packing, but the thong was in great shape. I pulled out my Feibings and lathered the fall up really well, working it into the leather and left it on there. Then went ahead and conditioned the thong, (it needed a bit too, and now I know EXACTLY when the last time it was conditioned was, so in June/July I can give it another coat if it needs it.) Then took it outside and spent some time cracking it, (or trying to. It's still in "Hula Hoop" mode but is loosening up pretty well.)
Took it back inside, and checked the fall. It had stunk all the conditioner up, so I put some more on. That's when I noticed that right at the top of the fall, RIGHT below the fall hitch, the leather was really flexible. I put some conditioner on my fingers and went to work it in below the hitch, (trying to avoid getting much on the knot.) As I was working the conditioner in, little rolls of leather started coming off from my kneeding. The leather had dried out and had started to break down, and I was fast getting a really messy misture of beeswax, sheep fat, and dried leather "lint" all over my hands. It eventually stopped, but there is significantly thinner leather on the fall at the hitch point than the rest of the length, (about 1/4 of the fall's total thickness. It's one of the thick falls with beveled edges that Joe Strain and Terry Jacka make.)
So the leather right at the hitch is a pretty significant weak point. I guess this thing sat on a shelf for three or more years. He bought it from Western Stage Props, and says that he paid $330 for it then. That particular whip in that length now retails for $375 from Mark Allen, ($360 something from David Morgan,) so he's had it for a while.
The thong however, is in great shape. No creaking when it bends, (a good sign it's hasn't dried out inside,) now weird bends, no blemishes. Absolutely flawless! Just like a brand new whip. But the fall was just too dry, and got bent around too much before I had a chance to get any conditioner on it.
It will hold out for a little while, (probably a month or two,) until I get hold of a new fall to put on it. I don't have any spares lying around, so I've got to order one. Might as well get a spare for my Strain while I'm at it.
Still, I'm tickled magenta! BRAND NEW $375 whip that I paid $250 for, and all I have to do is throw on a new $8 fall? Amen! Give me more!
It throws like a dream, (though there is a little wonkyness how it cracks because thong is still really stiff, and then right at the fall hitch where the damage is, it is really flexible, and then the rest of the fall is stiff, so the way it rolls out is kinda funny.)
But it is going to probably very quickly become the whip I grab by default when I reach in my whip bag. It is beautiful, and I'll post some pics as soon as I can, (including the damage to the fall.)
Also, I was talking to the guy after I told him it had arrived safe and sound, (didn't even mention the fall. It's no biggie, really. Five minutes to replace.) and he lamented that he had to sell it, but he also said that it was just too much of a whip for him, and could I recommend something cheaper that was easy to learn on.
Well, I directed him to Adam's IOAB, and pointed out that Adam also makes other great 8, 12 and upwards plait cow, deer, and kangaroo whips as well, and to mention me if he decides to order one.
So, Adam...Where's my commission? ;-)
Pics to come!
-Dan
The fall was DRY when I took it out of the packing, but the thong was in great shape. I pulled out my Feibings and lathered the fall up really well, working it into the leather and left it on there. Then went ahead and conditioned the thong, (it needed a bit too, and now I know EXACTLY when the last time it was conditioned was, so in June/July I can give it another coat if it needs it.) Then took it outside and spent some time cracking it, (or trying to. It's still in "Hula Hoop" mode but is loosening up pretty well.)
Took it back inside, and checked the fall. It had stunk all the conditioner up, so I put some more on. That's when I noticed that right at the top of the fall, RIGHT below the fall hitch, the leather was really flexible. I put some conditioner on my fingers and went to work it in below the hitch, (trying to avoid getting much on the knot.) As I was working the conditioner in, little rolls of leather started coming off from my kneeding. The leather had dried out and had started to break down, and I was fast getting a really messy misture of beeswax, sheep fat, and dried leather "lint" all over my hands. It eventually stopped, but there is significantly thinner leather on the fall at the hitch point than the rest of the length, (about 1/4 of the fall's total thickness. It's one of the thick falls with beveled edges that Joe Strain and Terry Jacka make.)
So the leather right at the hitch is a pretty significant weak point. I guess this thing sat on a shelf for three or more years. He bought it from Western Stage Props, and says that he paid $330 for it then. That particular whip in that length now retails for $375 from Mark Allen, ($360 something from David Morgan,) so he's had it for a while.
The thong however, is in great shape. No creaking when it bends, (a good sign it's hasn't dried out inside,) now weird bends, no blemishes. Absolutely flawless! Just like a brand new whip. But the fall was just too dry, and got bent around too much before I had a chance to get any conditioner on it.
It will hold out for a little while, (probably a month or two,) until I get hold of a new fall to put on it. I don't have any spares lying around, so I've got to order one. Might as well get a spare for my Strain while I'm at it.
Still, I'm tickled magenta! BRAND NEW $375 whip that I paid $250 for, and all I have to do is throw on a new $8 fall? Amen! Give me more!
It throws like a dream, (though there is a little wonkyness how it cracks because thong is still really stiff, and then right at the fall hitch where the damage is, it is really flexible, and then the rest of the fall is stiff, so the way it rolls out is kinda funny.)
But it is going to probably very quickly become the whip I grab by default when I reach in my whip bag. It is beautiful, and I'll post some pics as soon as I can, (including the damage to the fall.)
Also, I was talking to the guy after I told him it had arrived safe and sound, (didn't even mention the fall. It's no biggie, really. Five minutes to replace.) and he lamented that he had to sell it, but he also said that it was just too much of a whip for him, and could I recommend something cheaper that was easy to learn on.
Well, I directed him to Adam's IOAB, and pointed out that Adam also makes other great 8, 12 and upwards plait cow, deer, and kangaroo whips as well, and to mention me if he decides to order one.
So, Adam...Where's my commission? ;-)
Pics to come!
-Dan
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Congratulations, glad to hear it finally arrived. Terrys whips roll out very nicely when they finally break in. Too bad about the troubles with the fall though, but as you said, that’s a simple fix. Look forward to seeing photos.
Good luck getting your commission, if I received commission for every time I recommend a whipmaker I’d be rich, sheesh what a bunch of cheep, um never mind, enjoy the new bullwhip, your really did get a great deal, I am jealous .
Dan
Good luck getting your commission, if I received commission for every time I recommend a whipmaker I’d be rich, sheesh what a bunch of cheep, um never mind,
enjoy the new bullwhip, your really did get a great deal, I am jealous .Dan
Yeah, I've got that "lack of commission" problem too, though being a good customer, and ordering a bunch of whips for friends from Jim "RacerX" Jarrell, Jim gifted me with a nice 6' whip of a design he calls the "Dan Whip." (pegged me pretty well too. Long handle. long transition point above the handle, nice taper, light weight. Horsehide belly with a black cowhide 12 plait overlay.)
I took a bunch of pics of the Jacka and the "Dan Whip" a little while ago, but CAN'T find the cable that runs from my camera to my USB port! I'll probably track it down tomorrow and get some pics posted.
New fall for the Jacka on the way from Mark Allen. ETA a week from today.
I'm not cracking the whip until the new fall is on it, because on closer inspection the fall is in worse shape than I thought. I'm afraid that when I go to pull the old fall through the hitch that it will snap at the weak point, which would barely give me enough fall left to get a pair of pliers in there and pull the rest of it out without screwing up the hitch, and ending up with the incredible unravelling Jacka whip. Not fun.
In the mean time:
Me and my Strain out at Strouds Run in Athens. Was working with a friend of mine who just got a GREAT 8' Nolan, and a photographer for the paper comes up and asks some questions. The hat's an Akubra Federation Deluxe by the way. ;-)
-Dan
I took a bunch of pics of the Jacka and the "Dan Whip" a little while ago, but CAN'T find the cable that runs from my camera to my USB port! I'll probably track it down tomorrow and get some pics posted.
New fall for the Jacka on the way from Mark Allen. ETA a week from today.
I'm not cracking the whip until the new fall is on it, because on closer inspection the fall is in worse shape than I thought. I'm afraid that when I go to pull the old fall through the hitch that it will snap at the weak point, which would barely give me enough fall left to get a pair of pliers in there and pull the rest of it out without screwing up the hitch, and ending up with the incredible unravelling Jacka whip. Not fun.
In the mean time:
Me and my Strain out at Strouds Run in Athens. Was working with a friend of mine who just got a GREAT 8' Nolan, and a photographer for the paper comes up and asks some questions. The hat's an Akubra Federation Deluxe by the way. ;-)
-Dan
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Excellent! I've already used the one replacement fall on my Strain, so I could actually use a couple spares. You never have too much maintenance supplies!
I went ahead and ordered from Mark because I didn't know when you'd be able to get to them, (and as I said, I don't want to crack the Jacka with the fall thats on it, and it's CALLING TO ME! I'm impatient, I know.)
No big loss, as I ordered more leather conditioner to offset shipping costs, and I REALLY needed that, (with more whips to keep in shape. I've got my three, and two that belong to friends that I help them keep an eye on. I can find all sorts of Fiebing products locally, but not the Aussie conditioner.)
Chances are, I'll have the two from you before the one from Mark arrives.
Thanks a bundle, Paul! I appreciate it.
Speaking of new whips, (and now that the auction is over and I feel I can speak about it without bring down the wrath of the moderators) did you win? I was hoping that my good e-bay whip Karma would rub off!
Take care!
-Dan
I went ahead and ordered from Mark because I didn't know when you'd be able to get to them, (and as I said, I don't want to crack the Jacka with the fall thats on it, and it's CALLING TO ME! I'm impatient, I know.)
No big loss, as I ordered more leather conditioner to offset shipping costs, and I REALLY needed that, (with more whips to keep in shape. I've got my three, and two that belong to friends that I help them keep an eye on. I can find all sorts of Fiebing products locally, but not the Aussie conditioner.)
Chances are, I'll have the two from you before the one from Mark arrives.
Thanks a bundle, Paul! I appreciate it.
Speaking of new whips, (and now that the auction is over and I feel I can speak about it without bring down the wrath of the moderators) did you win? I was hoping that my good e-bay whip Karma would rub off!
Take care!
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hey Dan,
Unfortunately, due to hitting the snooze button too many times, and being up to late last night talking to adam about whips, and also my slow computer internet connection, I missed the last bid by seconds.
It sold for $370.
I must say I was disapointed that I didn't set my alarm for earlier, and now not only did I not win the whip, but I am also extreemely tired going on only 4 hours of sleep.
Hhahahah, such is life.
Those falls should be there either today or tomorrow.
Regards,
Paul Nolan
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Unfortunately, due to hitting the snooze button too many times, and being up to late last night talking to adam about whips, and also my slow computer internet connection, I missed the last bid by seconds.
It sold for $370.
I must say I was disapointed that I didn't set my alarm for earlier, and now not only did I not win the whip, but I am also extreemely tired going on only 4 hours of sleep.
Hhahahah, such is life.
Those falls should be there either today or tomorrow.
Regards,
Paul Nolan
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Rub it in, why don't ya, Whiskey! (Really. Do so! I want to see pics in this thread when it arrives!) Looks like my good eBay whip karma came in handy for someone, even if it wasn't Nolan, (you can make your own, anyway Paul! ;-) )
And the falls: Thanks, Paul! I'll probably see Gery a week from today to pick them up, (along with music for the Annie Oakley DVD's, so I can get those mastered, duplicated, and to market BEFORE Claremore!)
Back to topic of pictures. I found the cable and so:
The Jacka whip on my chair in my office. All of these pictures were taken with a flash, so the whip isn't QUITE a light colored as they appear here.
Jacka uses LONG handles on his whips, and the transition carries out out another two or three inches. VERY accurate for targeting! (Yes, that is Kermit the Frog in the background. I'm a huge Jim Henson fan, and a Mac user. My wife got me the Henson "Think Different" poster for my birthday many moons ago. The sword is a Marto "Sword of Connor" from Highlander.)
I normally don't care too much for wrist loops, (they flop around and get in the way, and if you use them as they were designed, they can restrict your wrist movement. I think it's just that I'm not used to having them back there.) but I like this one! Very thin and long. I might even eventually use it for what it was put there for.
The transition knot. Above it, the smooth as glass herringbone 12 Plait overlay, and below it the checkerboard handle. The plaiting on this whip is smoother than my Strain. I know it will loosen up, but MAN! SOO nice!
This whip tapers to a TINY fall hitch. Terry dropped to strands into a 10 strand hitch. And...
I tried to get a good detailed picture of where the fall was so deteriorated. But with the lighting and the focus with this little digital camera, it's all I got. You can sorta see where it's worn away right below the last strand on the knot.
My collection thusfar: My 8 foot Strain Lonestar, my 6 foot Jacka Australian, and my 6 foot Jarrell "Dan Model"
And last for now...
My new Jacka, my whip bag, my Strain's holster, (bottom left...new one for this whip on the way soon,) and some Feibings leather conditioner and saddle soap.
Can't wait to get that fall replaced and start breaking this beauty in! Thanks for reading!
-Dan
I want to see pics in this thread when it arrives!) Looks like my good eBay whip karma came in handy for someone, even if it wasn't Nolan, (you can make your own, anyway Paul! ;-) )And the falls: Thanks, Paul! I'll probably see Gery a week from today to pick them up, (along with music for the Annie Oakley DVD's, so I can get those mastered, duplicated, and to market BEFORE Claremore!)
Back to topic of pictures. I found the cable and so:
The Jacka whip on my chair in my office. All of these pictures were taken with a flash, so the whip isn't QUITE a light colored as they appear here.
Jacka uses LONG handles on his whips, and the transition carries out out another two or three inches. VERY accurate for targeting! (Yes, that is Kermit the Frog in the background. I'm a huge Jim Henson fan, and a Mac user. My wife got me the Henson "Think Different" poster for my birthday many moons ago. The sword is a Marto "Sword of Connor" from Highlander.)
I normally don't care too much for wrist loops, (they flop around and get in the way, and if you use them as they were designed, they can restrict your wrist movement. I think it's just that I'm not used to having them back there.) but I like this one! Very thin and long. I might even eventually use it for what it was put there for.
The transition knot. Above it, the smooth as glass herringbone 12 Plait overlay, and below it the checkerboard handle. The plaiting on this whip is smoother than my Strain. I know it will loosen up, but MAN! SOO nice!
This whip tapers to a TINY fall hitch. Terry dropped to strands into a 10 strand hitch. And...
I tried to get a good detailed picture of where the fall was so deteriorated. But with the lighting and the focus with this little digital camera, it's all I got. You can sorta see where it's worn away right below the last strand on the knot.
My collection thusfar: My 8 foot Strain Lonestar, my 6 foot Jacka Australian, and my 6 foot Jarrell "Dan Model"And last for now...
My new Jacka, my whip bag, my Strain's holster, (bottom left...new one for this whip on the way soon,) and some Feibings leather conditioner and saddle soap.
Can't wait to get that fall replaced and start breaking this beauty in! Thanks for reading!
-Dan
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Thanks for posting the photos Dan. You are right Terry’s plaiting is very tight, very smooth. It really does look brand new whip, The old fall definite had some problems though, glad to see you will be able to change it out pretty quickly.
Whiskeyman, Congratulations on the win. I was keeping a close eye on that auction and was very tempting to put in a last minute bid, but my will power got the better of me this time.
Paul, when are you going to get your web site running, I want to see more of your work, After you get some sleep of course By the way what are you making your falls out off; about how long do you typically make them?
Dan
Whiskeyman, Congratulations on the win. I was keeping a close eye on that auction and was very tempting to put in a last minute bid, but my will power got the better of me this time.
Paul, when are you going to get your web site running, I want to see more of your work, After you get some sleep of course
By the way what are you making your falls out off; about how long do you typically make them? Dan
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I finally figured out how to post photos here on the forum and wanted to share a couple. These two are not exactly new bullwhips but they are a couple of my favorites.
This is a 455 series 10 foot Bullwhip made by David Morgan back in late 1996.
This one is an dark brown 8 foot Australian Bullwhip made by Terry Jacka. I think this ones from 1998, these where the type of whips used in the movie Batman Returns. I hope you all enjoy the pictures.
Dan
This is a 455 series 10 foot Bullwhip made by David Morgan back in late 1996.
This one is an dark brown 8 foot Australian Bullwhip made by Terry Jacka. I think this ones from 1998, these where the type of whips used in the movie Batman Returns. I hope you all enjoy the pictures.
Dan
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Dan,
How long is the handle on that 8' Jacka? It looks shorter than Terry's typical fare these days, or it could be that he doesn't make them like that anymore, as it's from 98. That would explain why I don't think the Batman Returns catwoman whip resembles the "Australian Whip," that many places claim it to be.
Speaking of, I went to change out the fall on my new Jacka yesterday morning, and just as I feared, after I cut the fall loop, (and pared it down somewhat, so it could slip out of the hitch easier,) I was trying to pull the old fall out, and of course, BANG! The fall snapped right at that weak spot! Well, I don't have the patience or the leather tools to fish out the remaining bits of the fall without screwing up the fall hitch, (which is weird as well, by the way. I didn't notice until yesterday, but Jacka doesn't attach falls the same way that Morgan, Strain, Nolan, Winrich, Bernie W, Mike Murphy, etc. etc. etc. do. There's no strand that goes back up through the loop in the fall.)
So, I took it to a leatherworker buddy of mine who changed out the fall on my beloved Strain a few months back. I hope to have it back today.
-Dan
How long is the handle on that 8' Jacka? It looks shorter than Terry's typical fare these days, or it could be that he doesn't make them like that anymore, as it's from 98. That would explain why I don't think the Batman Returns catwoman whip resembles the "Australian Whip," that many places claim it to be.
Speaking of, I went to change out the fall on my new Jacka yesterday morning, and just as I feared, after I cut the fall loop, (and pared it down somewhat, so it could slip out of the hitch easier,) I was trying to pull the old fall out, and of course, BANG! The fall snapped right at that weak spot! Well, I don't have the patience or the leather tools to fish out the remaining bits of the fall without screwing up the fall hitch, (which is weird as well, by the way. I didn't notice until yesterday, but Jacka doesn't attach falls the same way that Morgan, Strain, Nolan, Winrich, Bernie W, Mike Murphy, etc. etc. etc. do. There's no strand that goes back up through the loop in the fall.)
So, I took it to a leatherworker buddy of mine who changed out the fall on my beloved Strain a few months back. I hope to have it back today.
-Dan
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Dan, The handle section on that bullwhip (which came from David Morgan) is just a little over 10¼” long.
Here is a picture for comparison of the handle on one of the bullwhips used by Michelle Pfeiffer.
The most notable difference being that the wrist loops had been removed and the whips where dyed black for filming.
Dan
Here is a picture for comparison of the handle on one of the bullwhips used by Michelle Pfeiffer.
The most notable difference being that the wrist loops had been removed and the whips where dyed black for filming.
I agree with you, some of the bullwhips I have seen that are advertised as the same type of whips supplied for Batman Returns do look a bit off, almost like the handles are longer and thinner, others I’ve seen however look about right though.It looks shorter than Terry's typical fare these days, or it could be that he doesn't make them like that anymore, as it's from 98. That would explain why I don't think the Batman Returns catwoman whip resembles the "Australian Whip," that many places claim it to be.
I’ve changed many falls on many whips and that is the first time I’ve heard one snapping like that right at the hitch. White hide seems to be a dryer leather and I’ve seen them occasionally break in the middle, but wow that fall must have really been in bad shape. You should keep it as an example to show others why its important to keep falls well greased, especially if they’re in storage for any good period of time.The fall snapped right at that weak spot!
Dan
Yeah, I thought that whip looked more like the one used by Pheiffer. Terry's new "Australian Whips" have 11' handles, (according to Western Stage Props. I don't have my Jacka whip here, and I think it's a little longer than that.)
I personally REALLY like the narrower, sleeker look, (and feel,) to these Jacka Whips. (Incidentally, it's a pair of these that will be the two main whips used in the fight sequences in "Cliffhanger.")
-Dan
I personally REALLY like the narrower, sleeker look, (and feel,) to these Jacka Whips. (Incidentally, it's a pair of these that will be the two main whips used in the fight sequences in "Cliffhanger.")
Oh yeah! Holdin' on to that hunk of leather for just that! That's going in my whip bag to show to folks I know who don't crack their whips often. You STILL got to keep them greased! If sport whip cracking is just a minor hobby, and you're going to let the whip set on a shelf for months at a time, then get a nylon whip!I’ve changed many falls on many whips and that is the first time I’ve heard one snapping like that right at the hitch. White hide seems to be a dryer leather and I’ve seen them occasionally break in the middle, but wow that fall must have really been in bad shape. You should keep it as an example to show others why its important to keep falls well greased, especially if they’re in storage for any good period of time.
-Dan
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I wanted to say that Rich's novel "Symposium of Justice" was excellent, and I was really impressed at how much substance it had as well as morals(unlike most books today) and great societal observations that make you think about how you live. I recomend it to anyone looking for a good read, and if you are a fan of whips, you'll get an extra bit of enjoyment out of it.I HAVE cracked one of these before though. My friend, Rich Hoffman, (author of the novel "Symposium of Justice" which is currently being adapted to a short independent feature directed by yours truly. Principle photography beginning this June, hopefully debuting at a film festival or Sci-Fi Convention near you June 2007! Check Cliffhangernow.com or Fishmongerfilms.com for details. There. Gratuitous Media Plug over. Again, I digress.) has one exactly like this that I cracked the last time I was in Cincinatti, and I fell in love with it.
So, I'm excited! I'll keep folks posted.
Thanks for reading, (through my digressions and media prostitution,)
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Rich is a great, enthusiastic guy, and I can't wait to see him and his family again at Annie Oakley days this year.
And Dan, if you guys need me for anything with the film, just let me know. I'm always looking to further my acting career, as an extra,
), maybe someday I'll get some lines. 
I could do the voice over for the trailer for ya!
I've been working on my movie trailer voice.Whiskyman,Well, I have to say your loss is my gain. The whip is at least coming to a good home and to someone who appreciates its value, not just some casual ebayer who got lucky.whiskyman
Congrats on getting a great whip at a great price! I'm glad it's going to a fellow gear head. Please post some pics when you get it, and let me know what I missed out on, maybe that will make me stop hitting the snooze button.
Paul, when are you going to get your web site running, I want to see more of your work, After you get some sleep of course By the way what are you making your falls out off; about how long do you typically make them?
Dan
Hey Dan and Steve,Yes, I'd also love to see a Nolan showcase as well!
Steve.
I'm wokring on the web site, it's been going through another redo, my goal is to have it up by my birthday, but I don't know if that is possible at the moment, my birthday isn't very far away. Depending on how much I have done by then I should be able to put something up. In fact I just spent 8 hours this morning working on it because I woke up at 2am last night, unfortunately I'm starting to get really tired right now.
And Dan, my white falls I'm making out of white Alum Tanned Cowhide. I have two different hides right now, one from tennessee tanning, and the other from siegels of california. The quality of each are about the same and have been pretty good. Typicially I don't cut them out any shorter than 30", at the very shortest. on average I cut them about 38-42", because I end up cutting them down a little bit to suit the whip, and it's better to cut the fall out long and then shorten it than to cut it too short and need it longer.
Regards,
Paul Nolan
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Paul, I know how busy life can get so no rush on the web site. I am looking forward to seeing it when its finished though.
Thanks for the information on your white hide falls. I have Aussie bullwhip that needs a replacement, so I had been checking around to see who could make me a couple. Normally the replacments i get are red hide and about 28 to30 inches long, but for these I wanted white hide and needed them at least 36 inches long and a bit lighter then the standard off the shelf replacement. I talked to Joe Strain a couple days ago though and arranged to get a couple from him. Thanks thought.
All the best.
Dan
Thanks for the information on your white hide falls. I have Aussie bullwhip that needs a replacement, so I had been checking around to see who could make me a couple. Normally the replacments i get are red hide and about 28 to30 inches long, but for these I wanted white hide and needed them at least 36 inches long and a bit lighter then the standard off the shelf replacement. I talked to Joe Strain a couple days ago though and arranged to get a couple from him. Thanks thought.
All the best.
Dan