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Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:43 pm

Hello...

This is my first official post on this website but I've been reading these forums for quite some time and you can't believe how helpful this place has been.

A simple search on one little thing and this place rekindled my obsession with Indiana Jones. I feel like I'm a kid again...Anyway...

I wanted to know what happened to a topic that was posted recently about an Indy Jacket being offered for $118.00 on this website.

http://www.leatherattractions.com

The topic just seemed to disapear over night and I was wanting to know if anyone found out anymore about this jacket or if this place was legit.

I sent the company an e-mail and they have yet to repsond. Here is what I wrote to them.

Hello.

I was on the internet comparing prices and information on all the Indiana Jones jackets being offered from different companies and I ran across your store and had some questions I was hoping you might be able to answer for me before I make a purchasing decision.

My first question is in regards to the photo on the website. I noticed that your company used a photograph from the Wested Leather Company website of the Harrison Ford wax statue and superimposed one of your model's faces over it. Do you have any actual photographs available of the jacket that you are selling? Or is this jacket an exact copy of the one offered by the Wested Leather Company?

The website also lists that the jacket comes in Lambskin leather. Is it also possible to get it in Goatskin or Cowhide leather or would that raise the cost of the jacket?

Is the brown color that is offered a darker brown or is it lighter than what was shown?

Again. This is a great site and I'm happy that I found other people that hold as great of fondness of this character as I do.

PitFall

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:17 am

I live right by them and was thinking about stopping by their hq and asking a few questions. Also, you may want to size down your avatar to 100 x 100. Illinos

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:35 am

Thanks.

I took it off for now and saved the image. I'll mess with it later.

As far this jacket from Leather Attractions goes I'm not totally sure if it's a good deal or not. They could be like Burlington Coat Factory and that's why their able to offer it so cheap BUT I don't want to order it and get something that's going to look bad or fall apart or both. Plus they have no real pic of the jacket and the whole superimposing of the model's head over the Harrison Ford wax statue is a joke.

The other topic I posted about the jacket from Leather.com seems legit and I even got a response from them right away about the lining of the jacket.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:36 am

Well...

Talk about weird. No sooner do I get on here and start asking about this jacket then I FINALLY get a reply out of the blue from Leather Attractions about they jacket their selling and they even sent me pics.

This is what you will get for $120.00

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:45 am

that jacket doesnt look half bad, I wonder why they dont use that first pic on there site insted of that doctered pic of a wested?

- Joe

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:46 am

For something cheap and cheerful, it's not too bad! Certainly better than the pic on the site with the cuffs. Collars on the one the guy is wearing are painful! And there's no indication as to what the back looks like, does it have action pleats?

If you are going to get one of those, get a tighter fit, that one is way too baggy.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:00 am

After seeing the pics they sent me of this jacket I think I'm going to pass.

I believe the reason it looks so bulky is because of the lining on the inside.

Just by looking at the waist of the jacket in those pics I'm fairly certain the jacket has got just a normal back to it.

It's a decent jacket it's just not what I want for an Indy jacket.

I'm thinking about ordering the one from Leather.Com but I want to know more about that one too. I do like the fact that the jacket their offering has hidden button down collars so you don't get that "winged 70's effect" that this jacket seems to be having.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:05 am

That 'wing collar' effect can be solved by breaking it in - search on the words 'MK', 'magic', and 'collar', and you'll get a hit. (I'm sleepy right now, or I'd do it for you. Trying to actually get some regular SLEEP before the QM!)

So it seems like a mistake to alter the jacket over something that SHOULD go away - unless it's a TERRIBLE design flaw in their jacket, and that itself is a big warning sign.

J

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:23 am

Although I'm looking to save a little money when I buy a jacket I'm not going to let it get in the way of getting an authentic looking jacket. I don't think this looks that authentic.

As far as the fit goes. I want the jacket to be a little "baggy" because here in good old Indiana the weather changes on a dime and I want to be able to wear something under it and still be able to move around freely.

I think the cheapest and almost authentic jacket I've found so far has got be the Leather.Com one.

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:21 am

I guess that wouldn't be bad for a "close enough" jacket, but I might find a better jacket (in some other style) for the same money. Did you see the seam where the arm attaches to the shoulder? I HATE that kind of seam. I have it on another jacket I own, and it gets puffy with age-looks pretty bad over time.

VP · Post by VP » Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:48 pm

Indiana Jerry wrote:search on the words 'MK', 'magic', and 'collar', and you'll get a hit.

That thread is right there in the Archives, you don't even have to search for it.

Post by **Mike** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:45 pm

Depending on your size, you may want to check out our 'for sale' section. There have been quite a few Westeds offered lately at really good prices. You can also use the section as a "want ad" post what kind of jacket/price you're looking for and see if you get any nibbles.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:37 pm

Interesting photos. I'm thinking the puffyness is being caused by the quilted lining, as that doesn't give very well to a leather like lambskin. I've sent an inquiry to see if it can be obtained with a different lining.

Regards! Michaelson

Serial Hero · Post by **Serial Hero** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:23 pm

Check this thread:

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and this one:

viewtopic.php?t=8359&highlight=

I think they will give you all the info you need to know about Leather Attractions

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:02 pm

Thanks for refreshing my memory!

I can say with NO qualms that these folks need to be passed up completely. Apparently threat of lawsuit from Wested didn't even phase them, as they're STILL using a stolen photo from Peter's site, so avoid these guys like the plague!!

Regards! Michaelson

Masterfulks · Post by **Masterfulks** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:25 pm

Looks like a 20 footer to me...as far as Indyness is concerned.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:51 pm

Thanks for all the help guys.

From the looks of it I guess I may be the first one to actually have gotten them to send "actual" photos of the jacket they are selling. Of course these might not be real either.

Like I said before I'm sure that's a fine leather jacket for the price their offering but it to me is not Indy's jacket....more like Discount Jones jacket.

I will have to check out the For Sale section. I usually wear an XL in jackets and I think I run between a 46 and 48 but I haven't done any exact measurements yet.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:52 am

Just thought I would post some pictures I got of the jacket their selling at Leather.Com

I would appreciate any feedback from someone who owns one of these jackets or knows about there quality. I'm thinking of buying this one.

Here's the pics.

VP · Post by VP » Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:57 am

The pockets are too big, it has a three piece back and the sidestraps are reversed. Fascinating.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:32 am

Agreed.

Looks like they made that with enough pieces of leather to make two real Wested's!

Other than that, I don't know a thing about this company either.

Regards! Michaelson

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:11 am

IMO if you want an Indy jacket then save your money and buy a Wested. You can always keep an eye on the for sale section and ebay.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:05 pm

Here's a pic of the Wested pockets and they look just as big as the Leather.Com one.

I see what you guys were talking about as far as the back goes. But other than it not be totally authentic to the film version of the jacket does that small seam down the middle make that much of a difference?

The jacket is offered in Drk Brown Cowhide or Goatskin. Which hide would be better?

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:14 pm

Interesting question. If you're not interested in screen accuracy based on any of the jackets in the three films, then no, it makes absolutely no difference what so ever.

If you are, it's incorrect, as to have something this obvious in the design to be wrong, it's hard to tell what ELSE is incorrect in it's construction.

Your call, but goatskin is always best in the choice between cow and goatskin regarding durability.

Regards! Michaelson

Last Crusader · Post by **Last Crusader** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:46 pm

I think you should save the money and buy a Wested. There are just too many differences to a really good looking Wested. But I like the reversed side straps of the Leather.Com. Maybe I´m the only one but I still believe that the jackets in ROTLA had revesed side straps.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:55 pm

Not according to Peter Botwright.

Regards! Michaelson

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:58 am

Right now it's looking like the Wested and the Leather.Com jacket are running close to the same price IF I go with the goatskin on the Leather.com jacket.

I'm not sure though. I have to get my exact measurements before I can get an exact price.

On the Wested Jackets what tone of brown looks better in person the reg. or the drk brown? Do the hides make a difference in the way they appear color wise?

Pitfall

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:36 am

Pitfall Harry wrote:On the Wested Jackets what tone of brown looks better in person the reg. or the drk brown? Do the hides make a difference in the way they appear color wise?

The colour is one of the hardest questions. If you want what the original actually was it has to be the Authentic. But... the Authentic is a strange beast. When you first get it it looks very milky brown in daylight but dark brown under artificial lights. See my www below for my Authentic Lamb. See Indiana Tone and Devals posts for Dark Brown/Authentic side by side.

I believe the concensus is that each colour respectively looks the same in either lamb or goat. Lamb is smoother and goat is 'slightly' bumpier.

I believe both Tone and Deval prefer the Dark Brown, I had both in my hands when choosing and went with the Authentic. However, I am saving up for a Dark Brown goat too!

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:38 am

LOL!! Look at that HUGE freakin' belt that dude is using as a bag strap!! PPHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:05 pm

Yeah, that pic screams Wal-Mart to me for some reason. I don't want to bash the company though. I'm sure it's a fine jacket if your looking for that type of thing.

I figure though if I'm going to spend that kind of money on something then I might as well save up for something better then that.

IF I find that the Wested and the Leather.Com jacket are going to be around the same price when all is said and done then I might as well go with the Wested.

My two big concerns with ordering a Wested are the wait and if I have it tailored to my size now then what happens if I "grow" more and it shrinks on me?

I own a black leather jacket right now from Wilsons Leather and it's an extra large. To me it's a perfect fit. It's not to big but at the same time it's baggy enough to allow some growth and movement. The sleeve cuffs come down to about the middle of my thumb when my arms are to the side and the bottom of the jacket comes to right abocve the top of my jean pockets. Just long enough for wearing in the fall / early winter months.

Whichever jacket I order it will probably be dark brown. I don't trust the lighter brown color for some reason.

Does anyone on here own the Temple of Doom version of the Wested?

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:49 pm

Pitfall Harry wrote:Does anyone on here own the Temple of Doom version of the Wested?

Yes - me and Swindiana, for instance, got authentic brown Wested Temples - Swindy chose goat, I went with lamb. Basically, the Temple is a very slightly longer Raiders.

Undistressed, the authentic lamb looks like this (brand spanking new at Wested in Swanley):

After some distressing:

I concur with previous posters - save your bucks and get a Wested.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:34 pm

Ok....

I have a question about ordering the Wested.

I measured my chest and it looks like I take a 41 BUT the leather jacket I own (which is an extra large) measures a 48 in the chest. I like the way this jacket fits across the chest. It gives me room to wear something heavy under it during the winter.

Now IF I order the Wested and tell them my chest size is about a 41 are they going to fit the jacket to that exact measurment or are they going to add a couple of inches for movement when they make the jacket.

The reason I ask this is because if I put down 48 for my chest size
(because I like the room) are they going to add to that and make it too big?

Also, what's the deal with the pleates and the gussets? Do they come with the jacket autmotically? Or do you have to specify you want them? And are the important?

Pitfall

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:07 pm

Ok, this is how I understand it: Measure for your chest under the armpits, and they will allow for the extra you need for say a sweater and movement.

I measure 41" but my jacket is marked 38" I read somewhere that English jackets are marked a certain size and 4 inches are added for movement and clothing.

This jacket is tailored and meant to be fitted I can fit a thin fleece under it comfortably but you won't be able to wear a cable knit sweater if that's what you mean! If you want a little extra room just request it. It's custom made!

Measure exactly what is asked for in the instructions don't second guess. For places you can't reach properly get some one to help you otherwise your measurements will be wrong. If you have a bit of a tummy enquire about having some length added to the front of the jacket.

Don't pay too much attention to the quoted measurements on the web page they have been revised but not updated on the page.

Pleats are standard, gussets are options. Some people like the gussets some do not. I happen to like them, I think they look like you mean business. Do they do anything? Perhaps! Some people say they allow better upwards reach and stop the jacket riding up. You can ask for single or two piece gussets. Two piece gussets are screen accurate for stunt jackets and the jacket worn by Ford in the flying wing fight.

Good luck, take your time, dig back a bit in here. Many others have had exactly the same thoughts as you.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:22 pm

All jackets are made with movement room. My understanding is that Westeds are cut with 4 inches of movement room. So if you order a 44 the jacket will actually measure 48. Remember that the Indy jacket is fairly close fitting. I ordered my jacket a size up (46 instead of 44) to give me room to grow and wear a sweater or heavy shirt under it. I think the extra room is advisable is you live in a climate where the winters get cold or if you are still "growing".

By the way my Wested is a ToD authentic brown goat.
http://photobucket.com/albums/v320/J_We ... rent=1.jpg

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:33 pm

J_Weaver wrote:All jackets are made with movement room. My understanding is that Westeds are cut with 4 inches of movement room. So if you order a 44 the jacket will actually measure 48. Remember that the Indy jacket is fairly close fitting. I ordered my jacket a size up (46 instead of 44) to give me room to grow and wear a sweater or heavy shirt under it. I think the extra room is advisable is you live in a climate where the winters get cold or if you are still "growing".

By the way my Wested is a ToD authentic brown goat.
http://photobucket.com/albums/v320/J_We ... rent=1.jpg

Nice jacket Weaver. I think that's about the length I'm looking for in my jacket.

Isn't there somewhere on the Wested site that says something about they will add some length to front of the Raiders jacket? I guess I never realized that the Raider's jacket was shorter than the TOD and LC jackets in the films.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:52 pm

Thanks!

The Raiders and LC jackets are the same length. The ToD is 1" longer. Wested will add an extra 1" or 1.5" to the front of any of the jackets if you ask them to do so. This is done to compensate for the ride up some people experience.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:25 pm

Kt Templar wrote:Ok, this is how I understand it: Measure for your chest under the armpits, and they will allow for the extra you need for say a sweater and movement.

I measure 41" but my jacket is marked 38" I read somewhere that English jackets are marked a certain size and 4 inches are added for movement and clothing.

This jacket is tailored and meant to be fitted I can fit a thin fleece under it comfortably but you won't be able to wear a cable knit sweater if that's what you mean! If you want a little extra room just request it. It's custom made!

Measure exactly what is asked for in the instructions don't second guess. For places you can't reach properly get some one to help you otherwise your measurements will be wrong. If you have a bit of a tummy enquire about having some length added to the front of the jacket.

Don't pay too much attention to the quoted measurements on the web page they have been revised but not updated on the page.

Pleats are standard, gussets are options. Some people like the gussets some do not. I happen to like them, I think they look like you mean business. Do they do anything? Perhaps! Some people say they allow better upwards reach and stop the jacket riding up. You can ask for single or two piece gussets. Two piece gussets are screen accurate for stunt jackets and the jacket worn by Ford in the flying wing fight.

Good luck, take your time, dig back a bit in here. Many others have had exactly the same thoughts as you.

Thanks for the help. I have searched some of this but there's not really a definitive answer on some of the stuff because of people's tastes. It's to bad there isn't a store were you could try this on to see how it feels and what works and what doesn't for that particular person.

That's my only real complaint with ordering clothing over the internet. If it doesn't fit right you've got to mail it back. It's a constant waiting game if things don't go right the first time. That's one of the reasons I was so leary about ordering the Wested. The wait time plus the possibilties of something not turning out right if you make a miscalculation in your measurements or worse yet some kind of defect that goes unseen before it's shipped.

Speaking of shipping. How does the Wested Coat arrive now? I thought I read somewhere that someones just came in a plastic bag and the bag had ripped during shipping and the coat got scratched up. That kind of worries me since I'm spending near or over $300 for a jacket.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:18 am

Pitfall Harry wrote: It's to bad there isn't a store were you could try this on to see how it feels and what works and what doesn't for that particular person.

There is a shop, unfortunately it is in Swanley in England! Indiana is from Indiana funnily enough!

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Pitfall Harry wrote:Speaking of shipping. How does the Wested Coat arrive now? I thought I read somewhere that someones just came in a plastic bag and the bag had ripped during shipping and the coat got scratched up. That kind of worries me since I'm spending near or over $300 for a jacket.

Tcartpilots Jacket is the exception. Though an unfortunate one. We haven't heard yet about what is happening I hope he isn't still battling the insurance "people", the jackets are double bagged, the outer one being the Couriers own bag. That is something like 2000:1. To me it looks like it got caught on a conveyor and wore through the bags.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:44 am

Wow. That is unfortunate. I would certainly hope this was a rare occurance.

Well, if they do add three to four inches extra to the chest size you give them then price wise I think the Wested comes out a little cheaper than the other coats.

Wested doesn't tag on any extra fees for adding inner pockets and the type of leather do they? I know the other sites DO add more to the price depending on the leather.

VP · Post by VP » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:57 am

IIRC the horsehide is £10 extra and a second inner pocket is £5 more. One inner pocket is standard.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:29 pm

Well, that's fine because I only real need one inner pocket anyway and I'm probably going to get the dark brown goatskin Raider's jacket.

Do you think I should have the extra inch add to the bottom or does it cause the coat to bunch up even more when you sit with it zipped up?

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:54 pm

Pitfall Harry wrote:Well, if they do add three to four inches extra to the chest size you give them then price wise I think the Wested comes out a little cheaper than the other coats.

Just to clear up the "movement room" thing, let me explain. All shirts, jackets, etc, are made with movement room. Infact most have much more room than a Wested does. Just go to A JC Penny, Sears, etc and try on a off the rack jacket. Most have a lot of room in them.

Probably the best way to order a Wested is to order what ever size you wear in a suit or a comfortable fitting jacket you have now. Then the only measurement you have to worry about is the sleeve, which isn't hard to measure. So if you wear a 38 order a 38, if you wear a 44 order a 44. If you want some extra room then tell Wested. I highly recommend ordering over the phone so you can ask about any concerns.

The extra inch is a hard call. I ordered it on my Wested, just because a lot of the members here had. But in hindsite I didn't need to and sometimes wish I hadn't ordered it.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:18 pm

Well, I'm going to e-mail Wested with a few questions before I do anything.

How's the zipper on these jackets? Pretty good? I bought a $200 jacket a couple of years ago and the zipper went out on me so when you try and zip it up the thing splits about have way up and you can't get it off!

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:49 pm

No worries about they zipper. They are heavy duty brass.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:22 am

J_Weaver wrote:No worries about they zipper. They are heavy duty brass.

Wow. Well that's good to know. I've had some nice jackets before with some crappy zippers.

Thanks for all your help. I'm sure alot of you have answered the same questions over and over again and as a "new guy" I appreciate the help.

VP · Post by VP » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:05 am

Here's a pic of the zipper from Jones-Jr.com:

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:28 am

Wow. Nice sturdy looking zipper.

I've got a few questions about the Wested. What's the difference between the single or two piece gussets?

Also, they say on the site that the back pleat elastic is free BUT do you still have to request it or does it just come automatically?

I wrote Wested about trying to figure out if they add inches to the chest measurment or not when you order the jacket and here's what I got back.

Hello,

Sorry for the delay in replying to you, normally customers if there
chest is a 39 they order a 40 but it depends how much bigger you want
the jacket. If you are not sure I would suggest you get measured by a
tailor or order a reg jacket and if this is not correct it can be
exchanged, some customers like the gussets others don't they are meant
to give more movement.
Any further questions please don't hesitate to contact me
Cheers Gemma

Bjones · Post by **Bjones** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:19 am

If I remember correctly, there is additional material in the chest measurement, like a 46 if measured all the way around is about 50. I think though that this is standard for tailoring and it gets too confusing if you try to think about it this way. Just use jacket sizing and you will be fine. If you wear a 46 and want some extra room, tell them that, or tell them you want to go up to a 48. Get measured by a tailor, let him know what you are doing and what you want, he/she will help you. Forget about the extra inches, you will go mad trying to understand what that means to you and how it might fit.

I believe you have to ask for the elastic. I have it and I don't even know its there.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:57 am

If you order gussets you'll get one piece gussets. Two piece gussets are screen accurate in some scenes, one piece ones aren't. Here's a pic of ÄssäJii's single piece ones:

And here's my two piece ones:

Both jackets are Authentic Brown Lamb.

Back pleat elastic is free but not standard.

Wested adds four inches movement room to jackets, so a 44 jacket has a chest measurement of 48 inches.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:46 am

Thanks.

That gives me an idea of what the gussets are and how they work. I think if I order my jacket I'll request the elastic for the pleats but I'm still up in the air about the gussets.

If I get the 2 piece gussets that's going to run me an extra $10. Hmm.....still it looks like they would help when raising your arms up to reach for something without the sleeves and jacket riding up.

I already know I'm going to order the Dark Brown Goatskin in the Raiders style.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:48 am

Good choice. ABG (Authentic Brown Goat) doesn't distress well, DBG does.

I didn't have to pay any extra for my gussets, btw.