Raven Bar brim tutorial (for rabbits)

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:30 am

Hello, i hope this little tutorial will be enough interesting... or useful.

First of all i should say that my raven bar Adventurebitl hat is pure rabbit so not sure of the reaction of your beavers. I'm pretty sure that bashing a beaver is moooooooooore easy.

Anyway here it is. I did that just after woke up... so no questions about my messed up bed!

OUT OF THE BOX

FIRST STEP
Curve the brim in the same point where you want the raven bar swoop the way i do in these pics, keep the hat like that for few seconds (let's say 5 secs)

Dont pinch too tight. The curve should be soft and not an angle (remember it's for a raven look not cairo

)

SECOND STEP
put a finger in the curved brim and...

...press against it for... let's say... other 5 seconds

This operation allow you to pinch tight the brim without getting an angle but a soft curve

STEP 3
et voilà

let's compare it with the beginning

(when my AB arrived)

(my AB before this little tutorial)

(my AB at the end of the tutorial)

mmh not bad for a raven look isnt it?

I hope you enjoyed reading this humble tutorial as much as i enjoyed doing it.

Post by **Jens** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:48 am

Cool tutorial, erri! Thanks for sharing it!
Seems to be much easer to get that look than I thought.
Very cool.

-- Jens

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:53 am

IndyJens wrote:Cool tutorial, erri! Thanks for sharing it!
Seems to be much easer to get that look than I thought.
Very cool.

-- Jens

The most diffcult part was to take pics without using the hands

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:24 am

Erri, I think that is a great tutorial, but much of the look of the Raven bar hat concerns the view from the front and the humps on the top. You have focused on the right side of the brim, which is important, but not the whole look.
I have achieved the same look on the right side by placing my thumb underneath and pressing my first finger down on top of the brim, turn the hat upside-down, and use the weight of the hat for leverage.
Then, on the other side of the brim, I leaned it against a bookend to get that little curl.
The humps should be symmetrical, as opposed to a Cairo hat, which has on hump on the right and the left side is nearly flat, nearly. A Cairo should be more uniform.
It is easy to see how a Cairo hat would transform into a SOC hat after being bumped around.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:00 pm

Ow well... yeah i know Raven bar look is not only a matter of (the right side of the...) brim but it's one of the features. About the camel humps... well i dont have any suggestions because actually i cant remember how i got them.
I could just say that i follow 2 basc things that could be important to observe:

1) the dents must be pushed back like Pagey suggested me once
2) you have to take your hat off and on your head holding it with your fingers in the center pinch. It helps to increase the humps in case the center pinch is popped out.
My AB arrived like this when i bought it http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... G_0951.jpg

these are just suggestions eh!

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:37 am

Erri -

If you want to work the brim, I suggest you try the turn, so you get the right effects in all parts of the brim at once.

But to make sure you have the whole foundation for the unturned hat vs. the turning, take a look at these two tutorials by board members...I've followed this bashing tutorial and the turn tutorial and the result were EXACTLY as described...and I was doing it w/ a cheap hat.

First, how to bash a hat, from open crown and flat brim to a straight (unturned) Indy hat, courtesy of (charter?) board member Johnndy:
http://www.whyaxis.net/indy/hatshaping/hatshaping.html

Next, I think you'll really enjoy the unravelling of the mysteries of 'the turn' by long-time board member 3thoubucks, who regularly delves into the 'why' part of the hat possibly deeper than any other COW member (but I'm willing to be corrected if I've overstated it):
http://www.raidershat.com/

Using these methods, I got as close I'll ever get to an Indy look w/ the hat I have. Considering you have a hat which is SO much superior to mine, I bet you could nail the look using these tutorials.

J

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:35 am

Indiana Jerry wrote:Erri -

If you want to work the brim, I suggest you try the turn, so you get the right effects in all parts of the brim at once.

:

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:15 am

The flip on the right side before the ear, juxtaposed to the sweep on the left which tops out past the ear, combined w/ the warping of the front brim which then dips lowest in front of the right eye. I turned my hat, and all these things just HAPPENED. Really. Pretty much no trying.

J

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:35 am

Indiana Jerry wrote:The flip on the right side before the ear, juxtaposed to the sweep on the left which tops out past the ear, combined w/ the warping of the front brim which then dips lowest in front of the right eye. I turned my hat, and all these things just HAPPENED. Really. Pretty much no trying.

J

I usually turn my hat but sometimes it's not always enough!

When my hat first arrived, the right side of the brim was completely flat!

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:31 am

Erri,
The effects of the turn happen only when it is on your head.

prairiejones · Post by **prairiejones** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:14 am

Yes, turning the hat creates the brim effects that we see in the Raiders' hat. The only time I "tweak" the brim with my hands is after it is on my head. I then accentuate the effects of the turn.

As far as tutorials, I suggest using Pagey' in the FAQ. I used Johnndy's on my first Akubra and feel the use of steam causes premature taper. There really is no reason to use steam on the crown.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:50 am

prairiejones wrote:I used Johnndy's on my first Akubra and feel the use of steam causes premature taper. There really is no reason to use steam on the crown.

You can use a spray bottle to mist JUST enough COLD water on, to avoid heat. Still, if it gets wet and warms up, in can shrink/taper, as I understand. I just always used cold water. From the tap. W/ the dish sprayer (I was impatient, and it was a DP, darnit!).

You can also shape w/o water, but it take a lot longer for everything to finally settle in. (Unless you are talking about some of those beaver offerings that I understand are so pliant they will almost respond to verbal commands...("Turn!" "Curl!" "Good brim, good brim...stay!")

EDIT: Or did I miss your point...did you also mean you can bash it w/o water? My bad. Sorry about that.

Did you try 3thoubucks tutorial on the turn?

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:31 am

I have a recent (bad quality i know) pic of my raven bar hat... here it is

(yeah also my face is bad quality

)

The real Henry · Post by **The real Henry** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:34 am

That fedora looks perfect!

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:40 am

Ah, the turn. It's all in the turn!

)
Personally, I never have used steam, only water dabbed on the tips of my fingers.
Nevertheless, your hat looks good!

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:11 am

Neolithic wrote:Ah, the turn. It's all in the turn! )
Personally, I never have used steam, only water dabbed on the tips of my fingers.
Nevertheless, your hat looks good!

In that pic the hat was turned. Anyawy i never used steam aswell

The real Henry wrote:That fedora looks perfect!

Thank you Henry

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:40 pm

That upward flip looks right now - good job!

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:15 pm

Very nice work, Eri- Your tutorial is much more credible when you present screenshots that match..good job. That is one of the reasons that I respect 3Thousbucks and his theories....he always presents his work with pictures of his hat matched with screenshots from the film. Very convincing sometimes.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:31 pm

Gorak wrote:Very convincing sometimes.

yes.. sometimes

prairiejones · Post by **prairiejones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:09 pm

Erri, that last video grab pic is the best of you I have seen, and maybe the best on COW. The attitude is leaned back and confident. It doesn't hurt that the hat looks great.
People are planning their shots better now than when I joined the forum in June. It's great. The thing I wanted to see most when I got here, were shots of hats. I couldn't get enough. I wanted to see Akubras and AB, Keppler and PB. When Steve first posted his AB open crown(the brim wasn't even trimmed yet)I was very glad. These pics are the best resource for those first buying, and those of us who just like holding our hats and looking at them.
Plan your shots. Get a tripod and get the camera back.(crop your head out of a full body shot from a distance)
Good job Erri
Soapbox, deactivate.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:39 am

Thank you very much prairie... i'm flattered that a hat-shaper-master like you give me his best compliments

thank you

PS i have a tripod

... i'll take new pics of me on sunday (when i go to the Luccacomics viewtopic.php?t=14363 )

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:07 pm

For prairie's pleasure... here it comes another pic taken recently

ok ok... others incoming

I can say that my AB gets better and better the more I wear it! I love ABs!

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