Can a bullwhip be a weapon?

The_Edge · Post by **The_Edge** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:43 pm

I'm just curious. No need to post. All I ask for is a vote.

Mr. Das · Post by **Mr. Das** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:51 pm

I think it can. Even without cracking and just swinging it around, leather to the face or groin hurt. But there's a hundred other weapons I'd prefer(either long range or short) over the bullwhip.

IndianaCollins · Post by **IndianaCollins** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:10 pm

Yeah man, a whip can also be a very formidable weapon against one's self.

Keep in mind, even Indy, who uses it in fights, ocaisionally chooses the gun over the whip, but when you don't want to kill someone, it's great!

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:32 pm

I think that a bullwhip would be a fine weapon. There are many things you could do with it. You could wrap their legs and pull them to the ground, Disarm their weapon (knife),Wrap their head and pull them to the ground, and the last thing if attacked by multiple people- swing the whip around your head to hit them in the eyes.
kindest Regards
molorom

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:51 pm

Absolutely. Is it the most effective weapon you could use? Probably not, but it's a weapon either way. When you think about it, just about any object can become a weapon if it is used a certain way.

Jim

Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:15 pm

ecwhips said it.

You can cause formidable damage with virtually anything: a key, a fire extinguisher, a ballpoint pen, even a computer mouse can be used as a weapon (so next time your significant other says "Get off of COW", tell her you are training in the event of home invasion!

Touch wood, of course, that the need never arises, for any of us)

Regards,

Farn

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:17 pm

yes a whip is a weapon. I was talking today to my Social Studies teacher, he got a scar and now he looks just like harrison ford, and he loves indy. But i was talking whips with him. He was telling me some of the history of a whip. Way back, when weapons were used to round up cows and stuff, the driver of a carriarge like thing, the driver could whip any flies that were bugging the ox's , like if a fly was bugging it , the driver could take the whip and kill the fly with out hitting the ox's ear. I was also talking to this dude who jobs is to teach adults to use karate. Well he's a expert at this karate so much he makes the matrix look real, i could barf. He was practicing with a whip and how to defend youself. Well evidently he said he was practicing with a student who was at his house and the student missed the item he was suppose to be attacking and it hit the master's hand and ripped off all of his flesh, went throu the muscules and you could see some of his bones. YUCK! whips are very dangerous. I would no doubt, consider it a weaponl. Yes maybe not as powerful as a gun but a whip is ferious.

Cooler King · Post by **Cooler King** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:34 pm

Well, the information that comes with most bullwhips state that a whip is not a toy. And since the opposite of toy is weapon, so I would have to say... YES!

In the right hands, the whip can be a deadly and effective weapon, and the best thing about it - it's a dissarming weapon (as Indy's shown us time after time). Quite a useful tool. A sort of 'Gerber Multi-Tool' of it's time.

Cleaver poll, Edge.

Robert Duke · Post by **Robert Duke** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:48 pm

Can a bullwhip be carried and used as a weapon? Well, duh!

Is it carried daily? Of course not. Indy didn't carry a whipunless he was on his adventures. He didn't carry it to class, or to his meetings while in his business attire.
Did he use it as a weapon? Sure he did. Not always. Sometimes he used his fists or last resort the gun.

Have I ever used a whip as a weapon? Sure, against some wild, feral dogs that were running the neighborhoods. I would've rather shot them, but I didn't have my shotgun, so I used my Colt .45
Another thing here in Texas we have a concealed gun permit law now. It is proven to cut down on crime in Texas as well as other states.

I think this has been a silly and trivial topic. I don't care how good of a whipcracker someone might be if all he has is a whip and he's threatening me and I have nothing but my wits and fists, then I will be very determined to kick his butt one or another. Like the guy/vampire in the Underworld movie that was attacking the werewolf with his two bullwhips. He was getting a few good shots in but finally one of his whips got tangled in something and the next thing you know he is killed by the werewolf.

Now, if were going to choose whips in a whipboxing duel/tournament, then that would be fun as long as we had some pads on. Now that would be some kind of show if it was any protective gear. C'mon you gladiators!
Just think the next level of WWF but now with whips. Pay-per-view!! The public would go craazy for it!

I cahllenge anyone here to a whip duel. C'mon! HAHAHAHA

The_Edge · Post by **The_Edge** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:18 pm

Robert Duke wrote: Another thing here in Texas we have a concealed gun permit law now. It is proven to cut down on crime in Texas as well as other states.

With that statement alone I like you. Try arguing that point with a gun grabber though. Facts scare them.

Robert Duke wrote:I think this has been a silly and trivial topic.

Nothing wrong with trivial topics every now and then. Besides, it can't be that silly or trivial or you wouldn't have chimed in.

Robert Duke wrote:I don't care how good of a whipcracker someone might be if all he has is a whip and he's threatening me and I have nothing but my wits and fists, then I will be very determined to kick his butt one or another.

Excellent point there, Robert. In any survival situation a man's wits are his most valuable tool and weapon.

Robert Duke wrote:Like the guy/vampire in the Underworld movie that was attacking the werewolf with his two bullwhips. He was getting a few good shots in but finally one of his whips got tangled in something and the next thing you know he is killed by the werewolf.

Haven't seen it. Vampires **** though. (Boooo, bad joke.)

Robert Duke wrote: I cahllenge anyone here to a whip duel. C'mon! HAHAHAHA

I would totally take you up on that challenge. If we ever get the chance, you're on.

Robert Duke · Post by **Robert Duke** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:23 am

Kyle. You wrote:
I would totally take you up on that challenge. If we ever get the chance, you're on.

<going over the top> I'm game!. Now we should get a hold of Don King the promoter and do it up BIG. Pay-per-view I get 80% win lose or draw and you get 10% muhahaha Winner is decided by loser saying he quits and gives up..

Choose your whip(s). I'm going in with 2 whips.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:31 am

Ok folks, I think we finally found a legitimate 'Indygear.com' 'COW' fund raiser here!

Regards. Michaelson

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:55 am

OK, I am fearing that this is going to be more of the same from the last thread. Let's save the testosterone for those street fights off this forum. You guys will need every gram of it just from all the reading I am doing on these 2 threads. I will contribute my frequent flier miles to the "fight club", but I won't care to referee for the matches. But do please post back the results (with pictures)...

Many opinions have been shared to the point of nausea. The poll numbers so far are interesting, but my duties as the moderator here have been called into action. Let's moving along guys....

-Sergei

The_Edge · Post by **The_Edge** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:00 pm

Sergei,

I was being serious about taking Robert up on the whip boxing thing. I think it would be a blast. There was no animosity meant by it if that is what you are worried about. Just having some fun.

Robert,

I'm all for the promotion of the bout but I think we need to discuss the numbers a bit more. I'm not sure how you getting an ### kicking is worth 80%.

I'd be going in with one whip and it would be my seven foot hiker. If you truly feel the need to have two whips then I would have my Pocket Bull on hand for back up.

Ladys and Gentlemen!!! Leeet's get ready fooor CRACKING!!!

All right, I'm done with this topic ... for now.

Robert Duke · Post by **Robert Duke** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:42 pm

Sergei,
We weren't talking about street fighting and I considered this between the Edge and me as very good natured fun.

The_Edge

wrote:
I'm all for the promotion of the bout but I think we need to discuss the numbers a bit more. I'm not sure how you getting an ### kicking is worth 80%.

Aaaaand...., I want a guaranteed take of $30 million from Don King, plus 20% of the take on the pay per views.

On taking your pocket bull in also is not a bad idea. Why not have an aresenal of whips in your corner along with your band-aids, gauze, tape, ice and water? 10 2-minute rounds.

If Don King or no promoter wants to do it, let's make a movie about it.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:00 pm

Got it.

Geesh, it's so bad around here anymore, I can't tell whether it's in jest or whether it's for real. Either way, please take pictures. I will make sure to post it at rotten.com.

)

-S

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:14 am

I’ve been kind of avoiding posting on this topic, It sure has been a fun read though.

I just get a little uncomfortable when people start putting the whip in a weapon category. Can it be used as a weapon? You better believe it! Yet it's still a tool, like a shovel or a pickaxe or a sharpened mason trowel for digging in the dirt.

I feel strongly that classifying whips as weapon casts another negitive shadow on whips and whipcrackers, thus making it harder for us enthusiasts to get out a positive image of whip cracking and sport cracking. Well thats my 2 cents for what its worth.

All the Best

Dan

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:56 am

BullWhipBorton wrote:I’ve been kind of avoiding posting on this topic, It sure has been a fun read though. I just get a little uncomfortable when people start putting the whip in a weapon category. Can it be used as a weapon? You better believe it! Yet it's still a tool, like a shovel or a pickaxe or a sharpened mason trowel for digging in the dirt.

I feel strongly that classifying whips as weapon casts another negitive shadow on whips and whipcrackers, thus making it harder for us enthusiasts to get out a positive image of whip cracking and sport cracking. Well thats my 2 cents for what its worth.

All the Best

Dan

Man it's scary on how you and me think alike here Dan. Those were my thoughts exactly whenever a ranger or the police walks over to me. Once they start hinting at a weapon, I immediately switch gears that a whip is officially designated as an agricultural tool and not a weapon. They quickly back down after that, because that is the truth in most counties. I then show them my credentials and then we start talking shop. I always get a positive response. And it also helps to tone down on the attitude.

-S

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:05 am

Sergei wrote:
Man it's scary on how you and me think alike here Dan. Those were my thoughts exactly whenever a ranger or the police walks over to me. Once they start hinting at a weapon, I immediately switch gears that a whip is officially designated as an agricultural tool and not a weapon. They quickly back down after that, because that is the truth in most counties. I then show them my credentials and then we start talking shop. I always get a positive response. And it also helps to tone down on the attitude.

-S

Scary indeed!. Now what’s that ol saying about great minds.

Seriously though that’s a great example of how to handle those types of situations, knowledge and a good attitude! The credentials to back it up don’t hurt either. All the best

Dan

JerseyJones · Post by **JerseyJones** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:17 am

As my training has always taught, any object guided by the wrong intent is a weapon and as such must be regarded with respect and dealt with accordingly, either in an offensive or defensive mode. This respect and understanding provides us with the inner sensitivity that martial arts cultivates.

Weapons begin in the mind. Directing the whip to be one is no exception.

My 02.

Peace

Ken / JJ

Q8Indy · Post by **Q8Indy** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:51 am

Well im back again its been two years since i last posted here, maybe some technical problems, i was attracted by the topic i always asked my self about this, well i dont think that a whip can be used as a considered weapon its too hard to be used in a fight, or to threaten a punch of lost dogs in a camp.

Any of you saw The Rundown movie? the last fight scene was incredible when the 3 guys attacked The Rock with there whips that was

, but do you think that it can be in real?

Greetings Q8Indy

RandallFlagg · Post by **RandallFlagg** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:18 am

Robert Duke wrote:Another thing here in Texas we have a concealed gun permit law now. It is proven to cut down on crime in Texas as well as other states.

The_Edge wrote: With that statement alone I like you. Try arguing that point with a gun grabber though. Facts scare them.

You two make me feel RIGHT at home!

Indiana George · Post by **Indiana George** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:39 am

I kept an attacker from hitting my friend with a stick in a fight once, i pulled the stick out of his hand, just trying to keep it a fair fight.

George

RandallFlagg · Post by **RandallFlagg** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:58 am

Where's your tagline from, Indiana George? It sounds familiar. "Zulu" with Michael Caine, perhaps?

RandallFlagg · Post by **RandallFlagg** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:59 am

Nevermind. I found it:
Lawrence of Arabia

JAN · Post by **JAN** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:07 am

A bullwhip is mainly a tool, I agree.

Used as a weapon it is a poor tool. In a fight You´ll proberly
only have one crack, and thats it.

(Edit: unless You can do the "Sergei-never-ending-over-the-head-crack",
but again at one time You´ll have to stop...but anyway - You propperly can´t do that crack-trick

)

If I was against a guy with a bullwhip I´ll just move in as close and as quickly as possible. I might get hit once, but not twice. From there
is would be a "normal" fight.

So... picking up the bullwhip for a fight... You´d choose badly

Best regards

JAN

Darth V.A.D.E.R · Post by **Darth V.A.D.E.R** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:57 am

I think bullwhip can be a good weapon.
But what about defence with bullwhip?

:

Regards
Darth

jabahutt70 · Post by **jabahutt70** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:55 pm

As someone said earlier~anything can be used as a weapon. Anthony DeLongis teaches the martial art use of whips. I agree though, that should a whip be employed as a weapon, it be only for self-defense purposes. In fact, on some occasions I carry a 5-footer when out hiking w/ my dog. There are many wooded and hill-type areas out here, and them coyotes & fox would love to snack on my small dog.
I wonder though, just what that karate master's hand really did look like~ w/ the flesh "ripped off."

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:32 pm

RandallFlagg wrote:
Robert Duke wrote:Another thing here in Texas we have a concealed gun permit law now. It is proven to cut down on crime in Texas as well as other states.

The_Edge wrote: With that statement alone I like you. Try arguing that point with a gun grabber though. Facts scare them.
You two make me feel RIGHT at home!

Darn tootin! We'll get along fine.

I know we stay away from politics around here, but I'm glad to see the government is taking steps to protect our gun manafacturers from these insane lawsuits. At least the chaps running this country aren't completely asleep at the switch.

Welcome to COW!

RandallFlagg · Post by **RandallFlagg** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:40 pm

Heh! Now if we could just stop the NY AG from threatening to sue folks mailing cigarettes like UPS and DHL.

It's jerks like that who keep responsible folks from enjoying the finer things in life -like, say, kangaroo hides in California, for example.

RandallFlagg · Post by **RandallFlagg** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:40 am

Plus, this place is full of Texans. I can't see any down side in that!

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:14 pm

I am a collector of many thing, I have many kitanas, at least one glaive, at least one straight sword. All within reach, but when I hear noises, and go to ckeck them out I grab my whip, I don't know why. Especially because this is an alomost completly destroyed one. Illinois

RandallFlagg · Post by **RandallFlagg** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:17 pm

If you are a user of the weapons you collect, you'll reach for the most comfortable weapon for what the situation requires.

For me, it's my old Beretta 92F.

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:22 pm

I m most comfortable with the bullwhip, whil I am adeuate with my kitanas they just don't feel like an extension of me. Illinois

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:24 pm

Sorru to do a muli post, but I wanted to say this. ANYTHING can be a weapon, noit just your "classic weapons." Illinois

RandallFlagg · Post by **RandallFlagg** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:26 pm

I learned weapons at a very early age. Nunchaku, staff, bow, sword, firearms...you name it, I've learned it.

Funny thing though. in thirty-six years, I've only ever been in one fight. And it lasted exactly one punch.

Still. it'll be knowledge to pass to my Sons.

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:28 pm

I think thst the knowldge of a fighting technique keeps one from fighting. The knowledge that one can win means that there is nothing to prove. Illinois

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:05 pm

check out

www.whipboxing.com

This is a 'sport' in Australia. Part of me wants to try it, but the other part of me likes all of my body parts just the way they are.

-Adam, www.winrichwhips.com

Colby · Post by **Colby** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:16 pm

winrichwhips wrote:check out

www.whipboxing.com

This is a 'sport' in Australia. Part of me wants to try it, but the other part of me likes all of my body parts just the way they are.

-Adam, www.winrichwhips.com

That is awesome.

RandallFlagg · Post by **RandallFlagg** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:16 pm

LOL!! I have a mental video playing Monty Python's "Fish Dance," in my head now...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fish ... _Dance.png

Colby · Post by **Colby** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:18 pm

Last Crusader · Post by **Last Crusader** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:25 pm

Does anybody have an idea how a bullwhip could be used as a defensive weapon??

Paul_Stenhouse · Post by **Paul_Stenhouse** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:37 pm

Sure! Haven't you ever been attacked spaghetti, or paper strips?! Or how about the particularly ominous candle flame?

I'm just teasing! I hear they work particularly well when confronted by angry dogs.

Best Regards,

Paul Stenhouse

Last Crusader · Post by **Last Crusader** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:52 pm

The bullwhip was designed to get controll of cattle with the loud crack and not with a hit and in the history of mankind it was used to get controll of people as well. But if you use the whip against people is it a tool or a weapon? Everything can become a weapon. When does a whip become one?

Robert Duke · Post by **Robert Duke** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:47 pm

winrichwhips wrote:check out

www.whipboxing.com

This is a 'sport' in Australia. Part of me wants to try it,

I say., let's bring it on. Folks love to watch a good fight.

Its all part of the show - Danger - Fear - Excitement

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:23 pm

winrichwhips wrote:check out

www.whipboxing.com

This is a 'sport' in Australia. Part of me wants to try it, but the other part of me likes all of my body parts just the way they are.

-Adam, www.winrichwhips.com

http://www.whipboxing.com/whipb_2l.htm

That one is awesome! I love the Aussie ref guy yelling, 'Whoa!! Whoa!!!"

I say we invest in COW fencing masks and trench coats and go at it for the QM this year.

In Christ,
Shane

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:35 pm

RandallFlagg wrote:If you are a user of the weapons you collect, you'll reach for the most comfortable weapon for what the situation requires.

For me, it's my old Beretta 92F.

This may sounds nuts, but for me it depends on what part of the house I'm in.

I guess if I had my choice it would be my riot shotgun or Colt Anaconda.

Last Crusader · Post by **Last Crusader** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:55 am

IllinoisJones wrote:I am a collector of many thing, I have many kitanas, at least one glaive, at least one straight sword. All within reach, but when I hear noises, and go to ckeck them out I grab my whip, I don't know why. Especially because this is an alomost completly destroyed one. Illinois

Sorry I have to ask but what are kitanas?

Glurrk · Post by **Glurrk** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:15 am

Last Crusader wrote:I have to ask but what are kitanas?

I suspect he meant katanas.

Floribama Steve · Post by **Floribama Steve** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:48 pm

Anything can be a weapon. I could blind or kill someone with a paper clip if I was so inclined. A bullwhip would make a wonderful defensive weapon for close range. I would probably choose it over a knife if my opponent didn't have a gun. I think it would be fun to use a whip for fighting, but that's just me.

Can a bullwhip be a weapon?

Can a bullwhip be carried and/or used as a weapon?

Can a bullwhip be a weapon?

YES!