A Scoundrel AB - w/ PICS! (& The Raider's Turn examined)

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:13 am

Woohoo! Got it today - THAT was FAST! Thank you, Steve!

I was in the middle of some concrete work around the yard when the hat showed up...I did a quick size check on the hat, sat and admired it for about 10 minutes, then went back to work - wearing it. So right away it started getting softened up running into trees and getting oversprayed from the hose...hahaha...don't worry, I didn't do anything serious. But I couldn't help it, I certainly wasn't going to put it BACK IN THE BOX! :O Besides, it felt a wee stiff...I immediately started 'tenderizing' it.

This is a beautiful hat, Steve. This does what I always wanted my other hat to do, and it just wouldn't. So this is beaver, hunh? I've stepped right into this world of hats with yours - never had a fine, quality hat before. This IS a felt that responds on command! Put the back up, it stays. Put the back down, it stays. Wild!

(Yeah, btw, the back was still UP when it got here. I believe you said in a thread that a lot of them were arriving without that curl, like it came out in shipping. Not so! Mine came out just as it left your hands!)

That little 'don't steal this hat' card is GREAT...THAT is staying in my sweatband...

Thank you SO much - Now for pics!

First, the AB, in the Loo Of Doom where all the really QUICK pics are taken (and YES, I know I look like Mad-Eye Moody in this one):

Second, the vented sweat Steve got a kick out of:

THANKS AGAIN, STEVE!

P.S. (Yes, Steve, this looks a lot like the email I sent you earlier...too tired to retell this again when cut/paste works so well.

)

OHHH! I almost forgot, Steve, a couple weeks ago I promised you ONE MORE PICTURE...THIS is how I did my head measurements:

Don't worry, it may look painful...but after my wife noticed I'd been missing for a couple hours she let my head out of the workbench.

Indiana George · Post by **Indiana George** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:20 am

Pics?

George

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:22 am

Pics.

(Hang on folks, I think we're starting to communicate, here. Throw him a biscuit.)

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:28 am

Awesome hat, Indiana Jerry

what bash is it, Cairo?
Best Regards,
Joe

prairiejones · Post by **prairiejones** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:32 am

The hat looks great Jerry. I'm always happy when someone else gets their hands on that felt for the first time. It's amazing, isn't?
Congratulations!!

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:35 am

First, looking back, I think I came across a bit ruder to George than intended. Sorry about that, bud - the real answer to your request is I was going to wait for daylight tomorrow and see if I could convince my wife to humor me and take a couple pics - but as penance for my rudeness, I'll whip out the tripod (leave it ALONE, Bink!) in a few minutes and try to get couple more...

(Again, my apologies. Sometimes the wit (and the 'submit') is on a hair-trigger.

)

NOW...Williams, I asked Steve for something similar to Colby's request - I asked for something reminiscent of the temple scene, Raven, and Cairo - yeah, they tend to be very different, but Steve is good at this, so this was not a curveball for him - he figured that equated to a general kind of Raiders styling, and we agreed on that. It'll go Cairo sooner or later, as I tend to love the heck out of stuff.

And for fun, I did ask him to turn it and we tried for a rounder block than my measures indicated, to try to get some of that front-back brim tension to try for some of that nice mushroom shaped blooming...but either I mismeasured a wee bit or that haircut Wednesday was more drastic than I thought, not enough tension yet...will wear it in a bit to see what happens.

J

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:36 am

Great looking lid, Jerry!
Looks good on you, Bro.
... and it's a reversed pic - just like in the movies.

Now you can travel the U.S. and the World and post pics of your adventures.
After reviewing a lot of AB Scrapbook posts ... I've come to the conclusion that an AB will look COOL anywhere - case in the point,
"THE LOO OF DOOM"

Congratulations,

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:38 am

a) reversed? Oh, yeah! hahaha...I forgot.

b) You realized I'm not actually SITTING in the Loo Of Doom, right? RIGHT?!?

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:40 am

Indiana Jerry wrote: ...
b) You realized I'm not actually SITTING in the Loo Of Doom, right? RIGHT?!?

Yeah right.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:59 am

Okay, here's just a couple more for tonight...first, my default defensive posture:

And one with a slightly different 'Tone'...(Think it could be any clearer what I meant by Tone?):

P.S. There is an 'easter egg' in that picture I'm dying to brag about. Go ahead, ask...but you must ask SPECIFICALLY.

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:05 am

Hoo boy, will you look at that lid!

Mighty fine, mighty fine! I really like that "whaaat!?" pose. I swear, it should be captioned: " 'Ay! You talkin' ta me?" All kidding aside, the hat looks FANTASTIC in that pic.

Now, to guess at the easter egg.

It's the fact that COW up on your computer monitor, isn't it?

The workbench pic made me laugh myself red.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:59 am

Nice hat Jerry. It's always nice to see a new AB. So, does this mean that you are no longer Indy On A Budget?

I'll give the easter egg a shot. Is it that thing that looks like it's hanging from the inside jacket pocket? It looks almost like it could be a crystal of some sort. What the heck is it? I'm dying to know!

Regards,
SJ

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:35 am

congrats on your hat and thanks for sharing your pics with us. I get your Tone but i thought you used a Pen instead.

VP · Post by VP » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:34 am

ShanghaiJack wrote:I'll give the easter egg a shot. Is it that thing that looks like it's hanging from the inside jacket pocket? It looks almost like it could be a crystal of some sort. What the heck is it? I'm dying to know!

It looks like a Fate of Atlantis medallion. http://www.indyprops.com/pp-atl.htm

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:32 am

Congratulations Jerry! That is one fine lid and it looks very good on you. I wish you a lot of luck with it.
All the best,
-HJ

Ghos7a55assin · Post by **Ghos7a55assin** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:43 am

Yeah- it looks like an Atlantis medallion. Nice lid, btw.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:50 am

Indiana Jerry wrote:...I'll whip out the tripod (leave it ALONE, Bink!) in a few minutes and try to get couple more...J

Don't worry, Jerry, I have every intention of leaving it alone!

That hat looks great on you! Welcome to the AB Club! I guess it was only a matter of time until they allowed you in here.

bink

Floribama Steve · Post by **Floribama Steve** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:24 am

Awesome hat Jerry, I can't wait to get mine.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:48 am

Its about time you got a hat!

Looks great man!

Colby · Post by **Colby** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:11 am

I caught the Atlantis medallion too.

(plus having COW on your computer screen

) The hat looks awesome! Your hats shaping does look slightly different from mine, but I believe thats due to the ways that beaver accepts bashes compared to rabbit. Mine won't accept a darn thing I do to it. It's like a rubber band, I shape it, it goes right back into place where it started.

The rabbit felt is also much thicker so I think that has a lot to do with it. I think erri_wan pointed out at one time pointed out the thickness differences.

Excellent hat my friend!

$\:D/$

Indiana George · Post by **Indiana George** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:40 pm

I'd like to sound enthused but I'm too busy dodging biscuits, nice hat ..I guess.

George

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:51 pm

Colby wrote:Mine won't accept a darn thing I do to it. It's like a rubber band, I shape it, it goes right back into place where it started.

I know what you mean Colby, the brim on my AB is hard to tweak.Im trying to shape the right side of the brim like this:

but it doesnt work

- Joe

Fedoraman · Post by **Fedoraman** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:10 pm

Indiana Jerry wrote:

P.S. There is an 'easter egg' in that picture I'm dying to brag about. Go ahead, ask...but you must ask SPECIFICALLY.

Is it that thing hanging from your neck?

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:41 pm

VERY nice hat there mate!:tup:

Al

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:15 pm

ShanghaiJack wrote:Nice hat Jerry. It's always nice to see a new AB. So, does this mean that you are no longer Indy On A Budget?

hahahah...no.

Notice it took me a YEAR to buy a quality hat...I budgeted for it, and got something of a quality far beyond it's dollar value.

But yeah, I'm no longer touting the most economical set of gear...gravenworld clearly outdid me on that score.

jpenman wrote:congrats on your hat and thanks for sharing your pics with us. I get your Tone but i thought you used a Pen instead.

Okay, my BAD...I was thinking of your avatar, but for some reason was thinking of Tone's screenname...maybe because the pun was easier. Now, your pose, I do have more of a PENchant for...

VP wrote:
ShanghaiJack wrote:I'll give the easter egg a shot. Is it that thing that looks like it's hanging from the inside jacket pocket? It looks almost like it could be a crystal of some sort. What the heck is it? I'm dying to know!
It looks like a Fate of Atlantis medallion. http://www.indyprops.com/pp-atl.htm

You guys, and all the rest of you, are hard to shake. Yes, it is 'a' Fate Of Atlantis medallion, but not Indy Magnoli's...Relic Raider made this sweet piece. Take a look:

P.S. I thought of sticking an ACTUAL easter egg in that picture, but decided to give you a break. Maybe next time.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:43 pm

no big thing, I just did that shot to hide my mug.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:06 pm

Something about the AB still wasn't sitting right...playing with it a bit, I figured out what it was. I needed to turn it more than I'd asked Steve to do initially. Every block is different, this one reacted to a bit more turn than my last hat. Now THIS feels (and looks a bit more) right:

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:12 am

Yup, was going to say that in the other pics the hat was off centre to the right of your nose, going from the front pinch. Much better now

Sweet looking hat. Please for ya

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:13 am

Yup, was going to say that in the other pics the hat was off centre to the right of your nose, going from the front pinch. Much better now

Sweet looking hat. Please for ya

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:14 am

Opps!

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:33 am

Skippy wrote:Yup, was going to say that in the other pics the hat was off centre to the right of your nose, going from the front pinch. Much better now

Sweet looking hat. Please for ya

Yup, I could feel that it needed to be turned a bit more, but just hadn't re-pinched it before I took those pics...I knew somebody would point that out. "Your nose appears to be turned too far towards your ear. Stop that."

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:42 am

Indiana Williams wrote:
Colby wrote:Mine won't accept a darn thing I do to it. It's like a rubber band, I shape it, it goes right back into place where it started.
I know what you mean Colby, the brim on my AB is hard to tweak.Im trying to shape the right side of the brim like this:

but it doesnt work
- Joe

That's the turn you see working there...REALLY! The point is that the brim is going back to what the dynamics and tensions are telling it to do. So turn it a bit. Yes, actually turn it on your head so the bow is a bit more over your temple...forget the fact that the pinch will be off-center now, we will come back to that. Just look a the brim - did it start doing the smooth swoop on the left, droop over the right eye in front, and the cool crazy flip on the right side right over your temple (like the pic you posted)? If so, the turn is all you need. Just turn your hat, keep it that way, and you just have to repinch the center pinch a little left of it's original position. Trust me, I wouldn't even use water if it will remold by hand for you - that pic above - hat only, w/ more turn in it - I just repinched it manually. I may need to do better work w/ the front dents later, but it reshaped easily by hand - DRY.

Did you guys ever study this? http://www.raidershat.com/ It's 3thoubucks Raider's Turn tutorial...and if you really still need endorsements for this idea, go look at Pagey's pictures on that page.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:47 am

(Sorry, I would tack this on the end of the last post to avoid clutter, but the current posting 'debug error' problems are preventing me from successfully EDITING a post.)

P.S. Once you get the hang of this, turned hats will just JUMP OUT at you when you see them...kind of like how as soon as you buy a certain model of car, you start suddenly seeing them EVERYWHERE??? They were there all the time, but your brain wasn't as familiar w/ the pattern. Saw a bit of Seabiscuit while flipping channels...whoa, nice turned hat, Mr. Bridges. Seriously, the SAME brim configuration - left swoop, front dip, right flip. It was ALL there.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:34 am

Indiana Williams wrote:
Colby wrote:Mine won't accept a darn thing I do to it. It's like a rubber band, I shape it, it goes right back into place where it started.
I know what you mean Colby, the brim on my AB is hard to tweak.Im trying to shape the right side of the brim like this:

but it doesnt work
- Joe

You might be interested in my humble tutorial for the raven brim... viewtopic.php?t=14118

prairiejones · Post by **prairiejones** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:32 am

The brim on the beaver AB responds more to turning the hat than to anything you do with your hands.

Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:36 am

Jeez, that is a nice hat Indiana Jerry.
You AB guys are really going to make me spend money on a new hat soon!

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:33 pm

prairiejones wrote:The brim on the beaver AB responds more to turning the hat than to anything you do with your hands.

Agreed...pushing it artificially just fights where it wants to go. Turn it, and it WANTS to do those things for you. Try it ONCE, you'll stop guessing.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:39 pm

Jerry much better.

prairie jones I like your new avatar. I was going to do that same shot.

West Virginia Jones · Post by **West Virginia Jones** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:05 pm

That is one SWEET hat, Jerry. Welcome to the AB club. You just can't beat an AB for quality & value. How often do you truly get to use the words "quality" & "value" in the same sentence & really mean it? Nice job with the turn, BTW. It really looks great.

-West Virginia Jones

Serial Hero · Post by **Serial Hero** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:23 pm

Hey Jerry great hat. I can’t wait to get mine.

By the way, I used a similar method to measure my head, but since I don’t have a work bench I just had my wife back our two cars together until they were snug and then measured the distance between the bumpers.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:26 pm

Serial Hero wrote:Hey Jerry great hat. I can’t wait to get mine.

By the way, I used a similar method to measure my head, but since I don’t have a work bench I just had my wife back our two cars together until they were snug and then measured the distance between the bumpers.

So YOU'RE the guy that ordered an adjustable size 5 w/ an elastic sweatband?

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:39 pm

Looking as good as always bro'!

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...and so do you.

Oh, and if you look at the measuring pic upside down, you look like a human tie fighter! Honestly, try it.

Best regards,
Swindy

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:59 pm

Swindiana wrote:Oh, and if you look at the measuring pic upside down, you look like a human tie fighter! Honestly, try it.

You pick the weirdest stuff to be right about

...but you're right, I DO look like a human-TIE-fighter that way.

Now...what the HECK were you doing looking at it upside down?

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:26 pm

I just wanted to look at it from your point of view, seeming as it is always right.

Oh, and I've always wanted to visit Australia.

Regards,
Swindiana

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:39 pm

Right-o, can't argue with your logic today.

"Swindy is so right about me being right." - Indiana Jerry

Cheers, Lars! - J

prairiejones · Post by **prairiejones** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:40 pm

That's the turn you see working there...REALLY!

I wanted to revisit Jerry's point here. He is right and his link is a great resource. Once you find the new "front" of your hat, it's fine to just set it on your head in that position. But, the turn works best if you set it on your head and then need to turn it, even if it is just slightly. The "tension" in the band is the key.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:48 pm

prairiejones wrote:
That's the turn you see working there...REALLY!
I wanted to revisit Jerry's point here. He is right and his link is a great resource. Once you find the new "front" of your hat, it's fine to just set it on your head in that position. But, the turn works best if you set it on your head and then need to turn it, even if it is just slightly. The "tension" in the band is the key.

(Thank you for the Amen!)

I was playing w/ my hat in the rear view mirror today (brims are just as distracting as cell phones)...if I get a chance tonight, I'll post side-by-side - turned and unturned. It's uncanny how the beaver reacts!

prairiejones · Post by **prairiejones** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:23 pm

Beat'cha to it.
Turning is all I have done to this brim.(thanks pagey!) Keep in mind, I don't have Hollywood lighting going on here.

Unturned

Turned

Harrison_Davies · Post by **Harrison_Davies** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:34 pm

Nice turn, not sure it's my kinda thing, I'm anal when it comes to symmetry. Some nice hats too...jealus to the max

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:40 am

Harrison_Davies wrote:Nice turn, not sure it's my kinda thing, I'm anal when it comes to symmetry. Some nice hats too...jealus to the max

And yet your avatar is clearly sporting a turned hat...

...sorry if it now IRKS you...

Kidding aside, Harrison, that's perfectly fine - I have other hats I keep straight, and I won't turn them - why turn my trail hat? Nope, not gonna do it...

And I can even see keeping Indy hats symmetrical, as they looked in part of a lot of the films - even all of LC, I believe.

But I'm still shaking my head when I watch folks try to get the flippity brim (hey, that's a technical term) from Cairo artificially...I bashed and shaped a hat for quite a while, and yeah, I could always coax SOME of it in...but it would slack back out if not maintained continuously...that's not the way to keep a hat!

That's like combing your hair every five minutes.

Once I turned it, it did everything by itself! (The hair analogy would be getting the right cut for the style you want.

)

So if someone wants the weirdly asymmetrical brim, I can't see trying to keep that up w/o at least TRYING the turn. That was just for them...

...oh, and that link, the credit for it still goes to 3thoubucks, not me. I'm just a guy who knows how to bookmark.

(Cheers, $3K!

)