Was the raiders jacket horsehide or cow?

Indiana George · Post by **Indiana George** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:15 am

After recieving my Wested (lamb) I watched raiders and it seems Indy's jacket was much thicker. Does anyone know what leather it was? It's my opinion that it could not have been lamb or goat because it just would not have stood up to the beating of making the movie. Plus, it just looks thicker.
Any thoughts?

George

PS. After recieving my Wested and looking at the brand lable (the flag and all) I'm fairly certain Ive seen this jacket in thrift stores before..can you imagine

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:07 am

Well, as Peter has said he only made lambskin jackets for all the movies - I'd say it was lambskin. I read somewhere once where Peter explained how the lambskin of yesteryear was different (thicker and stiffer) than what he's able to get now.
Personally I feel that in switching from lamb to goat I've got as close as I can to the jacket I saw in the movie.

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:31 am

There's a great difference between what a jacket looks like and what it feels like. Peter's jackets were meant to look the part. They were all (about 15 where made for each film) distressed to look a lot more "rough" than they actually were. I have owned a cowhide Wested that felt like it could conquer the world with its durability, but it never looked the part. It was unable to drape the way the lambjackets did in the movies. Same question is currently going on in the shirt-section where the original movieshirts are described as being very thin.

Peter offers the jackets in several different hides for that reason and today the most popular choice, as I understand it, is the goat because it drapes well and is very durable at the same time.

I think many members here ends up having more than one jacket, and personally I prefer the goat for everydayuse and the lamb for distressing and screenaccuracy.

Cheers

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:36 am

Look when Sapito grabs his arm when Indy is filling the sandbag. When Indy is about the grab the Idol and also after the "little swim" and it is flapping in the wind.

Check out the drape on the sleeves, it actually looks really thin and soft in those scenes.

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:59 am

Just found this little story on the internet:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/ ... 34888.html

Cheers

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:55 am

Indiana George wrote:It's my opinion that it could not have been lamb or goat because it just would not have stood up to the beating of making the movie. Plus, it just looks thicker.
Any thoughts?

Its well documented that all the movie jackets were lamb. This is partly due to the fact that lamb can be fairly easilly distressed. If the jacket was horsehide they'd still be working on it.

Just a FYI: Goatskin is one of the toughest leathers out there. Right along with horsehide. Don't let its fairly light weight fool you.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:23 am

Its well documented that all the movie jackets were lamb.

Yes. In the archives here and on the main site. Basically, next to very little homework would have given the answer.

Indiana George · Post by **Indiana George** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:28 pm

agent5 wrote:
Its well documented that all the movie jackets were lamb.
Yes. In the archives here and on the main site. Basically, next to very little homework would have given the answer.

Well, maybe I just like a little conversation. I'm sure everything's been discussed in here once before but should that stop newcomers from asking?
It's my understanding that this forume is as much about brotherhood as it is information. I'm sure that's in the archives as well.

George

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:08 pm

Ok time out here! A question was asked and it was answered. No need to get snippy hear, we're all friends

I have been told that the dumbest question is the one never asked...keep that in mind.

Cheers,
Jeff

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:26 pm

Sorry George, never gunna pay your cable bill.

However, I see your point on healthy conversation. I guess the question was worded wrong. IF you'd have done a basic search you'd have found the answer to the question asked.
However, if you'd have worded it, like, say...'Any way the Raiders jacket could have been horse or cow?', it might have generated a different response from me. Now, I know you most likely don't care about my responses, but as long as you're not paying my cable bill I guess you can't tell me yet how I should run my pc either.

See, this place is about brotherhood, but the question you asked is among the most basic, bottom-basement questions you could ask. I'd just think that if you've gotten this far (ordering a Wested) that you'd have found this out by now. Sorry to have given you the benefit of the doubt. I understand you're new here but it's my opinion that if you are new you should do some research into the gear if you have questions before asking them. It's all here and on the main site, especially the fundamental questions. Honest. Nothing personal, but I see this oh so often. Sorry if you felt offended.

Interesting note about the thrift shop. First I've ever heard of someone seeing a Wested in a second hand store. Great place to find Indy pants too.

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:38 pm

agent5 wrote:Sorry George, never gunna pay your cable bill.

See, here's a really good idea for changing christmaspresents: You pay my bill, I pay Yours..

agent5 wrote:However, I see your point on healthy conversation.

Exactly, and the jacket is sometimes a real mystery. I say 15 jackets for each movie, and then I find the article mentioned above where Peter says 16. And if You visit this link: http://www.regular-guy.com/noel.html
You will notice the line saying that the jackets for ToD was made by a french company? WHAT french company? Someone who knows please help me here.....................

Cheers

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:58 pm

Indy K, my understanding is that Wested did make the jackets for ToD. However, at some point during filming they need more jacket and a French company made them. I assume that Wested was unable to make more jackets for some reason.

Indiana George · Post by **Indiana George** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:35 pm

agent5, I'll word things as I see fit. I'm not going to walk on eggshells here as to not offend someones who's heard the question a time or two. I havent and I'm not going to do a search everytime I have a question. I dont care if it's a bottom-basement question, it's new to me and it's going to be a new question for lots of up and coming Indy fans. As I said, I'm sure its all been covered a time or two in here but I'm here souly for info, I enjoy people's responses and if you see a question that you've seen too often, feel free not to reply.

George

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:14 pm

I have to admit, if you read a question that you find too obvious or that you've answered a few times before.. you don't HAVE to answer.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:28 pm

Indiana George wrote:PS. After recieving my Wested and looking at the brand lable (the flag and all) I'm fairly certain Ive seen this jacket in thrift stores before..can you imagine

Do you mean the Wested tag in the collar or the "Made In Britain" tag on the inside pocket?

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:40 pm

I think it's unlikely (although not impossible!) that you've seen genuine Westeds in thrift stores - a lot of UK based clothing manufacturers will add the Union Jack flag inside the item, especially in leather garments. It might be that this is what you remember seeing?

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:41 pm

The gear in these movies has been talked about for twenty years. Quite frankly, if the only things we were allowed to talk about were new discoveries that have not been talked about before, we would only have a couple of posts per year, at best.

You can find the answer to any question with a search, so there is really no reason for us to talk at all. Umm...COW sure would be a boring place if this were the case.

Mr. Das · Post by **Mr. Das** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:07 am

I kinda agree with Agent5.

It's one thing to talk about stuff that is rarely discussed or not as common knowledge. But to ask a basic question like this is like asking who made the whips for the movie.

Threads do get locked because the question is asked often enough. But yes, there are threads that remain open even though the question was answered a few days earlier.

Indiana George · Post by **Indiana George** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:39 am

Basic to you for for a newcomer, it's not basic at all and again, I'm not going to do a search for every question I might have, thats' not why I come here.

George

Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:12 am

While everything is in the archives I think newer members find it more interesting/enjoyable to ask and read a reply to a question. The archives will probably be mentioned within the sphere of that conversation.

To anyone who cannot be bothered by answering an "old" question, I suggest you skip the thread. If it is not worth you time then do not waste it by posting a 'check the archives' answer. Someone who is interested in the conversation will mention it to the person.

Discouraging someone from asking a question is not the way to go.
I have not engaged in many posts that I thought were either uninteresting, boring, "old news", etc. I check in on the stuff that interests me.

Posting something that comes off sounding insulting is worse than any "newbie" question.

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:31 am

I'm new here too and I have to agree with George, if you come across a question that's been asked too many times then just roll your eyes and move on to the next item, no obligation for you to answer it..really, don't bother. I think someone who's seen the question a few less times will step up and offer the answer, opinion or whatever.

Doug C

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:05 am

Aside from all that, a search can be overwhling at the amount of answers that come back. Many of us are a wealth of knowledge, and its not like its life altering to answer a question. If you don't want to, don't. That simple. I like the questions that get asked over and over, not only because I ask them

, but because they can also lead way to new ideas about an old thing. For example, there was a tread about Indys jacket in LC blowing in the wind, and someone said the must have thinned the leather, new ideas came about the jacket. Illinois.

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:24 am

Welcome George... You came for the gear, but you'll stay for the people.

Don't be afraid to ask questions after you've had the chance to surf some of the older threads. There's a wealth of knowedge here that's beyond the imagination.

Just a suggestion, but I would like to see a FAQ at the top each table on this forum.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:27 am

agent5, I'll word things as I see fit.

Good. This IS a forum. Some people here are scared to do that.

I'm not going to walk on eggshells here as to not offend someones who's heard the question a time or two.

No need to walk on eggshells, I'm not easily offended in the least.

Anyone who knows me from here knows I call them exactly like I see them. Anyone who knows me personally knows I'm not one to want to offend people and even I know that sometimes my posts come off as a bit brash. In this instance I wasn't trying to insult, I was trying to inform you that the answers to basic questions such as yours can be found in the main site, if you do a word search above or just browse through old posts.
Has this question come up before? I guess not too much after I thought about it. Most newbies do a little homework before getting interested in it, especially before buying all of it.
I did a little bit of fast research myself and came up with the answer to your question. Just to show there are no hard feelings.

Have a look at the first sentence: http://www.wested.com/frjacket.html

Thanks for the support, Das.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:30 am

The lambskin used on the original Raiders jacket came from an English tannery that no longer exists. According to what Peter has told me, it did appear a bit thicker, and the quality top drawer, but the company went under, so Peter had to go elsewhere for his hides. The current supply of lambskin is much thinner.

The lambskin from New Zealand used by FS is a lot closer in terms of thickness, but still not exactly like what was lost to the closing of the original supplier of hides for the first movie.

Regards! Michaelson

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:47 pm

Yeah, I remember Peter saying that the tanning process used by that (defunct) company was old fashioned, not the same as the methods they use today, - he said that the leather 'stood up by itself'.

Serial Hero · Post by **Serial Hero** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:59 pm

It's one thing to talk about stuff that is rarely discussed or not as common knowledge. But to ask a basic question like this is like asking who made the whips for the movie.

So, who did make the whips for the movie?

Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:28 pm

Serial Hero wrote:So, who did make the whips for the movie?

Doh! Why you.... :evil:

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:41 pm

They used whips?

Regards! Michaelson

Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:43 pm

Michaelson wrote:They used whips?

Regards! Michaelson

Yes they did. I have a screen used black & red 5 foot, 12 plait rhino hide one!

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:14 pm

I can see where this thread is going....

First person who asks if the shoes were Aldens or Redwings is gonna get a whuppin...

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:18 pm

Minnesota Jones wrote: I can see where this thread is going....

First person who asks if the shoes were Aldens or Redwings is gonna get a whuppin...

I thought he wore boots?

) Ducking.....

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:21 pm

Hey now, it's getting crowded under the Plymouth....

Regards! Michaelson

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:40 pm

Minnesota Jones wrote: I can see where this thread is going....

First person who asks if the shoes were Aldens or Redwings is gonna get a whuppin...

No need to ask. It was Aldens. Two rightfoot Aldens. Harrison only needed right foot in the close-up from the truck-fight, so all the left ones were stuntboots. Very strange. Never confirmed though... Come to think about it, room for another one under that Plymouth?

Cheers

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:49 pm

The trunk's open, K....jump in there!

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:29 am

Minnesota Jones wrote: I can see where this thread is going....

First person who asks if the shoes were Aldens or Redwings is gonna get a whuppin...

I don't remember his shoes having wings on them...were they Converse? Oh, no, if they had wings, they must have been Air Jordans. I guess now we know who is Indy's favorite hockey team.

(Psst! I ignored this thread because I couldn't believe someone asked this...it is just a wee bit disrespectful to the folks who BUILT this board and have archived SO MUCH INFORMATION for others to insist that they will never, EVER LOOK, maybe even ONCE, for an answer before posting something someday. Although I admit, I did not search on 'Converse' before posting this...anyway, this thread is a lot of fun now, so THANK YOU, Agent5, for yelling 'fire in the hole'.

Any room left in that trunk?)

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:33 am

Indiana Jerry wrote:Any room left in that trunk?)

Plenty. I'm wearing my goat and it doesn't take up as much space as a cow.

Cheers

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:39 pm

I'm goin' with H.D. Motorcycle boots. Illinois

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:06 pm

& just to make one last serious point about posting questions...

How many times have people searched for an answer to a question, found an old thread & then needed to ask another question, so resurrected the old thread. Then you get critisized for bring ancient threads back!

URGH!

You can't win

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:08 pm

So very true, an I don't know if i said this before but it is so hard to find what you want with a search. Illinois

Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:19 pm

The archives are a very valuable source of information. I recommend anyone browse this feature.

However, I think sometimes folks just want to converse with other members. This is not a reflection on the quality of the archives. It is just how we are. I also think part of the reason is the ease of posting a question as opposed to doing a search. I have done both.

There are always new members joing the forum and their questions will usually start with the 'basics'. I would prefer to not answer a question I feel is redundant than make someone feel uncomfortable for asking.

Serial Hero · Post by **Serial Hero** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:41 pm

So very true, an I don't know if i said this before but it is so hard to find what you want with a search. Illinois

Yes, you have said this before. Had you done a search you would know that.

IllinoisJones · Post by **IllinoisJones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:44 pm

# Doh!

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:00 pm

Just to stick my nose in here for a second....about the only bad or 'dumb' questions are those not asked.....but only after someone has taken the time to do some personal research to find the answer for themselves. We've collectively worked long and hard here at Indygear for literally years to place the basics in easy to find locations, specifically (even though dated) on the MAIN PAGE! Folks tend to completely forget this forum is just a 'community' feature OF Indygear.com. Most of the basic answers can be found if folks would take the time to brouse the main page and all it's side rooms.....and if the answer is not found, or isn't answered to one's satisfaction, then a search of THESE pages are the next step.

Sometimes you run into a wall and just can't get a final resolution to the basic question you have, and the community is waiting and ready to dive in and help......but questions like 'did Wested make the original jackets' (Just an example....and yes, I HAVE received this question in email form before , and some even MORE basic than that on a weekly basis.

) makes us grind our teeth at times, as we wonder why we went through all the trouble, time, and work to archive and catalog the readily available basic information in plain sight for all to read and study. It should also give one pause if they wonder why the main site hasn't been updated to date....well, it's all volunteer workers running this show, and if no one is even READING the material, why update? That's not the reason, mind you, but it has come up now and again in moderator discussions.

Occasionally we try to give a new person a gentle 'nudge' toward the main site area (link provided in the upper right hand corner of this very page and EVERY page at COW), and when we do, we read complaints by folks that we are hard hearted and snippy and 'not willing to help a new fan'.

So, once again, durned if we do, and durned if we don't!

Ok, off my box and back to the car......

Regards! Michaelson

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:11 pm

IndyK wrote:Plenty. I'm wearing my goat and it doesn't take up as much space as a cow.

Cheers

Either it's my mind today or I'm just plain sick, but that sounds really bad... 8-[

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:19 pm

....especially in the trunk of my car!

Regards! Michaelson

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:25 pm

Minnesota Jones wrote:
IndyK wrote:Plenty. I'm wearing my goat and it doesn't take up as much space as a cow.

Cheers
Either it's my mind today or I'm just plain sick, but that sounds really bad... 8-[

It's not bad at all! Just hop in... If You wear a lamb their will still be plenty of room. Now the sick thing to do here would be jumping in wearing a horse, LC model with a stormflap, wouldn't it? Or is it just me?...

BTW - Tada! Celebrating, this is my 200.th post !

Cheers

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:30 pm

QUICK gentlemen...FIND THE DELETE BUTTON!!!!!

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:35 pm

There'd be more room in the trunk if we didn't have this entire nativity scene in it...(horse, cow, goat, lamb)...hey, was there a kangaroo in Bethlehem???

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:39 pm

Get outta my toolbox!!

Regards! Michaelson

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