EDIT-New jacke / IT'S HERE!!! Woohoo

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:47 pm

Yeah I think photos would have helped. I have a long torso for my arm length and a bit of a belly

which I am tring to loose...darn thing keeps finding me

but I do agree and am glad to hear that it's not just me being picky.

Cheers,
Jeff

Edit - But darn it the goat was the perfect choice, I love the weight and drape.

Dre · Post by **Dre** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:57 pm

i guess the 80s fit = size smaller than you ask for =P

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:09 pm

I am going against the grain here, if you can zip it, it fits. If you can't, it doesn't. The sleeves look fine to me. Across the shoulders, from the back, it looks slightly too large; the material is bunching. From the back, the belly looks too tight; it is stretched. From the front, it looks about right.
Good luck and don't be afraid to send it back.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:48 pm

One of the problems is the ride up. I think the jacket is a little short. In the back it is close but still maybe a little short.

In the front it is a couple inches short. A lot of people complain about the ride up in front when the jacket is zipped and have an extra inch put in the front. I think that you are one of those people that definitely need to have the extra inch in front.

If the jacket was an inch longer all the way around and you have the extra inch in front, it would be close to the right length.

Also, don't be afraid to have some length added to the sleeves. These sleeves wrinkle up and also ride up when you reach out in front. A little extra lenght won't hurt.

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:03 pm

I did request an extra inch in front. If I wear my pants to my belly it looks fine but not so when my pants are at my waist. I hope this is not going to be an expensive fix.

Cheers,
Jeff

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:59 pm

The more I look at the jacket the more I'm convinced it was a mix up (not mine)
1 Way too short in body and sleeves [I just measured and the sleeves are an inch shorter then requested.]
2 Collar is about an inch and a half too wide [asked for the raiders smaller collar]
3 D rings instead of new (old) black rectangular slides
4 tag reads 42 I ordered a 44

So if it is a mix up I hope they still have my jacket and not sent it out to the wrong person. If some one gets an authentic goat a tad too long with the specs above let me know it may be mine.

I'm going nuts now 8-[ I have THE jacket and can't wear it

AAhhhhhrrrgggg! Battly yours,
Jeff

Dre · Post by **Dre** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:07 am

do you actually have to request a raiders smaller collar?

i got a ToD and keep thinking the collar is too big (LC collar?) but it's definetely a ToD - the length and the certificate are correct for ToD. are the raiders/tod collars kinda big to begin with? if they are, i'd hate to think how big an LC collar is

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:23 am

Well I just wanted to be sure I recived a (the) smaller collar. I have read that it is always wiese to request exactly what you want. I would defenetly take 1/2 an inch off the current collar though.

Cheers,
Jeff

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:32 am

Sorry I doubted you, you're right, that ain't your jacket. Can't be. Too many gross mistakes for Wested to have made, it's more plausible that two orders got crossed. With luck your completed jacket is also somewhere, and they can be switched. Worst case, the order were crossed during manufacturing, and yours doesn't exist, i.e., they will have to start again from the cutting.

If you are worried about the belly, you might NOT want the 80's fit. Just a thought. You can try on mine for comparison at the QM - I'm a 44, no 80's fit, LC w/ a Raiders collar. If I hadn't had mine for a year, I'd say I'VE got your jacket. (Note to COW: If someone finds me on the QM mugged and missing a jacket, figure out where Gobler was at the time.

)

I feel for you, Jeff...I'd stay up late tonight (or get up real early tomorrow) and give Wested a call, rather than let it eat at you.

J

EDIT: Tone - jinx! Great minds think alike, I guess...

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:43 am

(Note to COW: If someone finds me on the QM mugged and missing a jacket, figure out where Gobler was at the time. )

I feel for you, Jeff...I'd stay up late tonight (or get up real early tomorrow) and give Wested a call, rather than let it eat at you.

J

No, no muggings

Thanks for the levety I do need it. I have saved up for quite some time to order a jacket and it was/is rather heart breaking tring it on for the first time only to have it so utterly not be the jacket you ordered. By the way what does Verizon charge for international calls

I have free in USA long distence but I guess I'll **** it up this once. So 1:00-1:30am PST eh?

Cheers,
Jeff

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:05 am

BTW did you send Gemma a couple of those pics of you or the link for this thread to illustrate your problem?

BTW2 It's now just gone 8.05 am here in London.

I hope you haven't had too much coffee!

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:05 am

Can't vouch for Verizon, I'm on ATT here...but I gave one call to Wested at approx 1am our time (I'm in LA too), and I think a month or so later I was looking at some $12-15 charge on my bill, for something like a 10-minute call. It's the connect that kills you, the minutes aren't so terrible. From what I recall, anyway. It was worth it, though.

You will probably not need to have more than one phone call - once Peter understands what's up, I trust it will be dealt w/ rapidly and email contacts to you will keep up from there. (Just guessing.)

J

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:23 am

Well I did let them know about the photos and where to look. I guess I sould send the link. Man I hope I can stay up I need to be up by 8am

What we won't do for out gear.

Cheers,
Jeff

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:31 am

Actually, you might be able to call them now...I think we are 7 hours off GMT this time of year, which would make it about 7:30am there now.

Can't remember what time they open up in the morning. By 8, anyway, I believe, which is only another half hour. Their website might have store hours...hang on...nope, couldn't find it listed.

Good luck, and good night.
J

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:37 am

Ahem, *cough* 8.35. In London.

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:39 am

So is Wested open yet?

Jeff

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:44 am

No harm in trying them. If there is anyone there they will pick up. Peter might be in the middle of his toast!

BTW we are on British Summer Time BST right now that's one hour ahead of GMT maybe that caused the mix up.

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:51 am

Well I just got off the phone with Peter himself (nice man) and I will be shipping the jacket out first thing in the morning...ah time for bed.

G`nite and Cheers,
Jeff

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:44 pm

Ok I'm about to pack up and ship the jacket. So I need a little input.
1. add an inch to the sleeves
2. add two inchs to the front & back
3. have the slides replaced with the new ones Not D rings
4. have the collar reduced by half an inch
5. have the pockets scallopt a bit more (they look too v shape)

Anything else folks? I would like input asap (I could also updat Peter via e-mail)

Cheers,
Jeff

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:47 pm

Agreed. Those speak a thousand words in themselves!

Regards! Michaelson

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:51 pm

_ wrote:Email Peter the pics of you wearing it...

Yes indeed. He may need to remake the whole thing

Cheers,
Jeff

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:12 pm

If you have the whole jacket made 2 inches longer in order for the
length to be correct for you, you should also ask that they add an extra
inch to inch and a half to just the front on top of that, so that the front of
the jacket will be slightly longer than the back.

This will help with the ride-up you are seeing in your pictures.

If you keep the front and the back the same, even after having a jacket
that is 2 inches longer all around, it is still going to ride up on you.

To see this for yourself, just take the pictures you posted of you standing
sideways, and imagine if the entire jacket were two inches longer than it
is now.

Its still going to be higher in the front than in the back by the same
proportions as it is now unless you add the extra 1 to 1.5 inches to
just the front.

By adding in the extra to just the front, the jacket will look much better,
and it will look more "level" than it does now without the added length
to just the front.

Just a thought...

Flathead

Mr. Das · Post by **Mr. Das** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:21 pm

Well, Gobler did ask in his initial order to have the front an inch longer....I guess Wested forgot or he has to ask for a bigger increase.

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:23 pm

Well it's in the mail

The postal worker however was a total moron

I asked staight up shipping to UK as fast as possable. Does he give me the correct paperwork to fill out? ..NO. He had me fill out the standered 4-10 day express not the 3-5 day. How is 4-10 days express?? It was already in the back and a huge line was behind me so now Wested may not recive in untill mid Oct.

I HATE OUR USPS!!!

To other comments in this thread, I had an ectra inch added so if I add more it will be 2-2 1/2 inchs in front longer then the back. I just asked for 2 inches all around but to look at the photos to be sure. I also asked for an extra inch in the sleeves a 1/4 to 1/2 inch removed off the collar and a redue of the pockets (more scalloped like on thire web site) Mine were more of a long V and of course the correct slides. I also mentioned that I ordered a 44 and recived a 42 and asked if that was done to achive the Raiders look. Off to get my trousers hemmed.

Cheers,
Jeff

nevrwhere · Post by **nevrwhere** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:48 pm

Sorry to see you had an issue with your jacket, I know you were excited about it. From everything I've read though, it sounds like you will be well taken care of by Wested. It's got me a little nervous about the jacket I've ordered. Just a side note, earlier in the thread, someone mentioned that the collar was different on the Raiders jacket as opposed to the TOD jacket. I was under the impression that the two jackets were the same except for length. Is this not the case?

Rixter · Post by **Rixter** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:15 pm

I still do not, nor have I ever, understood the reasons of why there is STILL a need to request an extra tapered front to back length when ordering a Wested jacket. I know this has been an ongoing concern for this style of jacket throughout the years, but I have yet to see a satisfactory explanation, at least that I can understand, of why this occurs for some and not for others. It may also be a problem for the Expedition although I have not been able to find this after searching through past posts. Indeed, my experience with the Expeditions is quite the opposite. When not zipped, at least partially, the jacket will eventually need adjustment, but, typically it will need to be adjusted to ride slightly further back on the shoulders so that there is not a ride up in the ‘back’, not the front.

I have not experienced any ride up factor of either the front or the back with any other similarly hemmed jacket that I’ve owned. Curiously, I’ve seen this effect with some people wearing ill fitting suits were either the back or the front will appear longer or shorter depending on the individual. It seems to me to be a problem of how the jacket is being tailored to fit certain body types. That’s why it is probably a good idea as stated by others above to include pictures of yourself for any tailored garment purchased and not simply supply what you believe to be compensating sizing information to a particular maker.

Gobler wrote:Ok I'm about to pack up and ship the jacket. So I need a little input.
1. add an inch to the sleeves
2. add two inchs to the front & back
3. have the slides replaced with the new ones Not D rings
4. have the collar reduced by half an inch
5. have the pockets scallopt a bit more (they look too v shape)

Anything else folks? I would like input asap (I could also updat Peter via e-mail)

Cheers,
Jeff

The good thing is that you now have pictures of the way an ill fitting jacket looks on you and trust that Peter will know how to solve the problem now. That should probably be the only “input” you need to email Peter as to sizing. As far as some of the other changes, I’m not sure if that qualifies as something that would be considered without an extra charge since it is being presented as more an after thought from what you originally ordered rather than a fault of Peter himself unless you did indeed receive the wrong jacket. ...but then, what do I know.

Dre · Post by **Dre** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:04 pm

i think he requested all those things except the extra scalloping beforehand anyway.

hmm are their jackets less scalloped than they are in the movies? i hadnt noticed

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:33 pm

Well to be fair look at the photos on Westeds web site. Then look at my pockets..not even close to the scalloped flaps shown so I don't feel to bad about requesting better scallops. That would have bugged me even if the jacket was perfect in every other way. Would I have sent it back? No but I would defenetly take that into consideration the next time I order. I thought as long as I NEED to send it then whay not work out the kinks. Another thing I could request is the...well I don't know what they are called other then the gap under the slides. Kens and mine really open up and it does bug me a tad I have no clue what can be done to help this though, any thoughts?

Keep in mind, I really do love the jacket. It was crafted perfectly. Every stitch was solid, the hardware was neat and even and the leather was absolutly perfect. The color, grain and weight was spot on what I was hopping for. That's what kills me the most, I had to send back a jacket that would have made someone very happy. Did I forget to mention how great it was to finaly talk to Peter. Nice gentalman. He asked how the weather might be in November...suggested a jacket and umbrela. Noing out wacky weather it'll be 98

Cheers,
Jeff

Harrison_Davies · Post by **Harrison_Davies** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:33 pm

For sure a whole new jacket will have to be made...I asked for an inch to be added to the sleeves, no go with all satin lining apparently.

Now I've got my second jacket, i'm not happy Go figure, I miss the first one hahaha.

Anyway Gemma is on vacation right now, so you'll be dealing with Peter direct.

Don't worry you are in safe hands.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:05 pm

Jeff,

I think that you need to tell them that you want the extra inch to inch and a half in the front. It appears that you are one of the many people that need this to prevent the jacket from riding up in front. If in fact you did get the wrong jacket, the one you received may not have had the extra inch. It definitely looked like you needed more in the front to prevent the ride up.

This jacket diplayed the rideup. If you just add two inches all the way around, the new jacket will ride up also. The rideup will just ocurr two inches further down on your torso.

Relax. Peter will fix it for you and then when you receive the perfect jacket, you will love it. Also, I don't think it will take as long to get a new jacket as it did to get this one. You will not fall back in line with everyone else, but you will move to the front of the line as this is making corrections on a previous order. You may still get it back for Halloween. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you, anyway.

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:50 am

If you did indeed asked for a size 44, with the extra inch in front and longer
sleeves, then the jacket you did end up getting, that had none of these
things, was not yours. Its pretty obvious it was made for someone else.

You were sent the wrong the jacket. It happens. Like someone else
said in a previous post, just imagine the guy who ordered the size 42, and
got a size 44 that is too big, the sleeves are too long, and the body is too
long also!!

The nice thing about Wested is, once they get your returned jacket, you
will go to the top of the list for a new one. Peter is very good at his
customer service, and your new jacket will arrive very quickly!!

Flathead

GrailHunter · Post by **GrailHunter** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:12 am

I know I obsess over jacket length, but that is way off. Time to pack that baby back to Blighty

Urban Raider · Post by **Urban Raider** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:18 am

Sometimes mix ups can get you trust and like a net shop even more *IF* handled correctly.

As a possible future customer of Wested I'am following this thread with some interest!

Handling the customer known as Gobler well will be good pr that money can't buy for Wested, looking good so fare!

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:11 am

From my experience with Wested their customer service is tops. When I ordered my jacket they were out of the authentic brown goat and were having a hard time find good hides; the one month wait turned into three. However, when ever I called to check on the situation, Peter always took the time to fill me in on what was going on instead of just telling me that they didn't have the leather yet.

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:59 am

Well so far Peter is responding quickly and has been very polite. Not much to do now until he receives the return. I highly doubt things will go south as Wested had proven to have excellent at customer service. I did write Peter and mentioned that the jacket might not have been mine in the first place as there were so many things off on it. I will keep this thread alive and updated as I get information and feel free to add your input for those who have or will be ordering a Wested. Now the wait, once more and the worry. Oh well.

Cheers,
Jeff

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:33 pm

Fingers crossed for you, Jeff. Peter will take care of you.

Good thing you have such a great support group here.

J

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:26 am

Well they have the jacket now

man it took the post a bit of time. I was told that the changes would make it non-returnable. I asked for a more scalloped pockets (from their web site. I do not think this should be extra) and a 1/2-inch removed from the collar plus the necessary changes to fit better. Now I’m real nervous.

Cheers,
Jeff

Urban Raider · Post by **Urban Raider** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:42 pm

Fingers crossed! The suspense is killing me, this is a thriller!

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:59 am

If they turn that around fast - which they probably are planning to - you could still have this by the QM.

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:08 pm

I got a chance to talk to Peter this morning and he saw the photos I sent and agrees that I need a new jacket made. He's going to start Monday, as this is Friday eve for him. I would like to thank Peter publicly for his time and pleasant dealings. I wish more people would run their business like him.

Cheers,
Jeff

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:42 pm

Thanks for posting that Gobler, to let us know Peter did respond as expected. Never had a doubt.

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:41 pm

SWEET!

That's class for you

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:47 pm

Well here's an update. Gemma e-mailed me today and mentioned that the 44 reg is 25.25 long and I asked for 24. I opted for the standard, which should solve the length problem. I do tend to wear my pants lower for the most part so this is a good solution. Now the wait..again…

Cheers,
Jeff

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:56 pm

Gobler - a 24" back is pretty short

I only reason question this is I am 5' 8" tall & my jacket has a 25" back. I plan to loose an inch off my next jacket, but then I'm pretty short & the jacket will then finish 1" below my jean belt position.

IMHO ideally you want the back action pleat panel 1" off the top of your jeans pocket for a Raiders jacket.

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:04 pm

Skippy, I to am 5'8 but it's mostly in my legs. I think with the additional length and after wearing it for a while the jacket will sit just fine on me.

Cheers,
Jeff

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:07 pm

Cool. Those pics of you are deceptive. I thought you might be quite tall

Short-arses of the world unite! $\:D/$

Gobler · Post by **Gobler** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:11 pm

Skippy wrote: Short-arses of the world unite! $\:D/$

Here here!!

I have a very dificult time buying clothes for me. If they fit inthe torso the arms are too long or there is so much fabric it looks like a tent. I have wide shoulders and a barrol chest.

Cheers,
Jeff

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:46 pm

Ditto. Except I have a pot belly instead of the barrel chest

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:52 pm

Skippy wrote:Ditto. Except I have a pot belly instead of the barrel chest

YAY!!! Potbellies of the world unite!!!

I've got your back, Bro!

Regards! Michaelson

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:44 pm

WEEEEEEEEE! $\:D/$

EDIT-New jacke / IT'S HERE!!! Woohoo

Changes!!

arrived at wested