Bantu Wind hat has THE LINE.................................

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:33 am

That makes 4 shooting locations where the line is visible.

I've added it to the other pictures, here=http://www.raidershat.com/pagethree.html

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:00 am

JAN · Post by **JAN** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:10 am

3thoubucks, I´ve followed Your discoveries over the years, but resently
one things is puzzeling me.

Now that the DVD´s are out You still do You documentary with
blurry VHS-stills.
I think many of the members inhere, at least I would, get a clearer
picture of what You mean if You started using screencaps from the DVD!

Best regards

JAN

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:38 am

Man, that hat looks tapered.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:58 am

Now that the DVD´s are out You still do You documentary with
blurry VHS-stills.

Please, someone please post the exact same pics as our buddy 3M$. Then we can see what he is referring to. It may be that on the better dvd quality pics, the lines he speaks of will disapear. I went through my dvd when this first came up, and for the life of me, I cannot see what he is talking about!! Fedora

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:13 pm

That's a good idea Fedora. My computer is only 2 years old, and captures DVD stills, but the quality is so low, I end up taking pictures off my TV with a digital camera. If someone wants to help here, just remember the traces are dim. They might not even be there in the frame just previous or just after the ones I've shown.

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:30 pm

Here's the "So?" , VP. An open crown telescope can look a lot different than a standard open crown. You could get a deep top dent with this, without having tall sides. ...

If the Raiders hat was a telescope, the felt may or may not have been as distorted as this hat, and an Adventurebuilt might be virtually identical, without a line. But the line IS a fearue of the Raiders hat, and a hat that has is it closer to the original. Plus, since the search for the original HJ block in HJ's warehouse is NOW going on, it would help to know if it was a plain block or telescope block.

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:32 pm

I would love to post a better pic but you anyone tell me where to find it? A timeline or something? I don't want to watch the whole movie searching for this one scene.

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:44 pm

Thanks Pandora. ...How about this frame, it's the first one I found. ..Just after Indy shoots the swordsman in black, he resumes the basket chase but has to break through the crowd of onlookers.

This view is in the same shot.

Post by **Jens** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:12 pm

Pandora wrote:I would love to post a better pic but you anyone tell me where to find it? A timeline or something? I don't want to watch the whole movie searching for this one scene.

What?! There's one more reason to watch that movie again and you don't want to? Pan!

-- Jens

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:23 am

J_Weaver wrote:Man, that hat looks tapered.

A true Raiders had will look tapered from certain angles. That's all part of the mytique.

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:28 am

@Jens: in defence: it was so late (about 10:30 pm or so) and I was really tired (I hear TheGerman say: The bed is for the weak...). Of course, Indy could keep me awake but not if I had to watch the hat all the time (I know that there are some guys out there that only watch the hat...).

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:31 am

3thoubucks,

I still dont understand whats so great about knowing this?
Steve makes a great raiders fedora, regardless of having the line,
so how is this going to improve it? Sorry, i just dont understand.
-Adam

Dakota Ellison · Post by **Dakota Ellison** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:05 pm

As Fedora mentions in the other HJ string, shops like HJ carry all their hats open crowned and style them for the customer. My take is that any creases evident on screen were from the distressing done by Mr. Ford and Ms. Nadoolman.

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:12 am

I was watching Raiders yesterday, frame by framing the scene in the Well of Souls, when Marion is on his shoulders and the hat goes nearly 100% open crown. If it was a telescope crown, I don't think it has much, if any, distortion, unlike like the Jackson Iconoclast I pictured above. I think it could have had some, though. ...It may be the case today, but I doubt HJ didn't sell hats with block formed bashes in 1980. I think this is from the shop down the street, around the corner ten years later in 91.

I'd argue that definitely the pork pie, and I'd wager the two darkest brown hats have block formed bashes- the edges of the bashes are just too sharp on those two not to be block formed. I don't think crumpleing , or sitting on a hat, as described by Nadoolman could give you what is clearly an even circle around the top of the crown, and NO OTHER disturbingly obvious creases.. The Adventurebuilt may be all you need, but, I think it's worth determining if the hat was a telescope. .........Any one else care to post some clearer pics of the...L-I-N-E ???? THANK YOU! .

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:30 am

3thoubucks, One of my hats has a line like your talking about but I can't seem to get a good enough pic of it. If I do I'll post it.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:43 am

3thoubucks this is the best shots I could get of it.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=9koxf4
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=9koz83
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=9kozgp

I'll try to take some more but it's hard to get a good shot of it.

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:13 am

Very interesting jpenman! What brand of hat is that? Was it open crowned new? Any Idea what that line is?

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:15 am

Those pics are freakin' huge. I have no idea what I'm looking for in them, and there's no highlighted area to show me. I don't know what the heck you guys are seeing that I'm not. Perhaps size them down a little and highlight what I'm supposed to be looking for? Thanks.

Regards,

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:48 am

Sallah: "Indy, if you still want the line, it is loaded onto a truck for Cairo."
Indy: "Line? What line?"

Sorry guys, there is another here who doesn't know what is meant by 'the line'. Please shine a bit of Chachapoyan temple light on this, so we can understand.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:41 am

sorry guy's I'm not the best with the computer, so I don't know how to rezise them.

3thoubucks, that is my first Adventurebilt.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:03 pm

I just distressed one of my hats, to get the stiffener to soften up and give the hat a well worn look. I now have those lines on mine. I think they appeared after I did the "Dan stomp".

Depending upon the felt, a line of this nature can appear when you crush the top of the hat down into the crown. You get the same mark when you iron the break into the brim. A lighter area of discoloration. Theoretically, those lines you see could be from the distressing. The fact that none can be seen on the new hat, worn into the entrance of the temple, filmed in Hawai lends credence to the idea of the lines being from distressing. That would make more sense than someone grabbing a porkpie(when they knew they were after a non porkpie hat). Fedora

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:13 pm

I have to agree with Fedora on that one. My first AB has seen plenty of good wear and abuse, and from having it sat upon, smooshed, ans well broken in, I, too, can see a bit of the line on my hat in certain light.

bink

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:45 pm

I think my hat proves it wasn't a porkpie hat. That line on my hat wasn't there when I first got my hat from Fedora. That line came to be after handle, grabbing , and sitting on it.

Indiana Wayne · Post by **Indiana Wayne** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:07 pm

3thoubucks, here are some pictures of my HJ that I pork pied. It is not a perfect pork pie, but the best I can do.

Here is a picture that you can see the pork pie line.

I will post better pictures later of my HJ and AB, both with a pork pie bash.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:07 am

That's similar to the line I get from just sitting on my hat. Sure, making it a porkpie will produce that line; I don't doubt it. But I think it was more likely a product of the distressing process.

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Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:38 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:That's similar to the line I get from just sitting on my hat. Sure, making it a porkpie will produce that line; I don't doubt it. But I think it was more likely a product of the distressing process.

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If I recall correctly, Nadoolman said in her distressing process she sat on the hat and had Harrison sit on it too. Perhaps that is where those lines are coming from?

It is Occam's Razor. Why choose a pork pie styled hat when you are seeking a 1930-40's era wide brimmed "everyman's" look hat? We were told that H.J. stocked open crowned hats. Harrison went for fittings. Why gasp at straws?

I think Fedora has that "Midas touch" in creating the Indy look. What more is necessary?