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Nicht Storen
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On second thought, this coat has a tag sewn into it on which "Indy III" and "Ford" is written in ink. That's good enough for me! Who do I make the $40,000 check out to again...?Nicht Storen wrote:I think the jacket needs to be checked for any DNA samples left behind from Mr. Ford or from the stunt crew. Maybe then you might have some basis for this jacket being a hero jacket or stunt. I don't even know if that is possible after 20 years.
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Ahhh, I did not know that. That would explain that. Thanks!agent5 wrote:ITG,
To answer your question about the leather grain, Peter has mentioned before that the place that procesesed the leather used to use an older method which kept the leather very grainy as you can clearly see in the films, especially Raiders. Since then the company has changed the method in which they process the leather, now making it quite smoother than what we see on film. In essence, todays goat looks like yesterdays lamb.
okay, entertaining that idea...WHAT IF...Ford wore it in TOD, then the costume department modified it for LC and had a stunt man wear it in LC since it'd only be seen from a distance and yet already had that beat up look from the previous movie...that'd make it a TOD hero jacket, which would explain how Ford's name got in it, plus it'd be easy to turn "Indy II" into "Indy III". Big WHAT IF of course, but just wanted to throw that idea out there.I was thinking that perhaps because the straps are quyite lower on this jacket that perhaps it was a TOD stunt jacket that they modied slightly for stunt use in LC. After all, they used Raiders stunt jackets for TOD, right? Why couldn't this have been done for LC? This would have to be my assumption based on the mentioned added on top snap. They'd say, 'we need a coat to mess up badly for this stunt scene' and just pull out one from the archives that's already been through the ringer, then add the necessary parts to make it a LC jacket, NEVER ONCE considering there'd be a group of people like us, sitting around discussing it's details.
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I would not base my decision of the accuracy of the jacket on distressing alone. The Indy films aren't exactly known for continuity, and it would be very difficult to use artificial methods to distress and have 20 jackets all look the exact same. There would be different people using different methods, and they would be quick...and a few years before DVD's and Gearheads to criticise that the colour beneath the scrapes on the colar aren't the exact same in every scene.
And as mentioned, as long as the jacket was worn by Ford on-screen for even a matter of seconds, then it is a true LC jacket worn by HF.
And as mentioned, as long as the jacket was worn by Ford on-screen for even a matter of seconds, then it is a true LC jacket worn by HF.
BINGO.I would not base my decision of the accuracy of the jacket on distressing alone. The Indy films aren't exactly known for continuity, and it would be very difficult to use artificial methods to distress and have 20 jackets all look the exact same.
I was thinking the same thing. That would certainly make it extra special, being from both films. Whether it was a hero from TOD or just used for stunts, either way it's be a helluva apecial jacket if that was the case.okay, entertaining that idea...WHAT IF...Ford wore it in TOD, then the costume department modified it for LC and had a stunt man wear it in LC since it'd only be seen from a distance and yet already had that beat up look from the previous movie...that'd make it a TOD hero jacket, which would explain how Ford's name got in it, plus it'd be easy to turn "Indy II" into "Indy III". Big WHAT IF of course, but just wanted to throw that idea out there.
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That's a good theory in thinking that this jacket "may" be a leftover Temple of Doom jacket....
However, when I look at this jacket, I can't see it as one. When I look at Noel Howard's ToD jacket, the jacket has smaller cargo pockets and the collar is smaller and more rounded. This Last Crusade jacket has a larger, and a more pointed, collar. I mean, I dunno anything about tailering/alterations, lol, but can the prop people in Hollywood really alter the collar and cargo pocket "sizes" after something like this has already been made...?
To me, when I watch the Last Crusade, the distressing looks fairly consistent as the film progresses. If you look at the LC jacket in the Smithsonian, and the Chicago LC jacket, they look virtually identical...I can't tell one from the other. On the other hand, by looking at THIS LC jacket, the distressing looks highly inconsistent, and nothing that I have ever seen in ANY of the close-ups with Ford in the Last Crusade. They obviously sanded down/distressed every part of every seam which is highly inconsistent to these other LC jackets that we see in Chicago and Washington, DC.
I realize that the name: "Harrison Ford" is written within this jacket, but if it "was" worn by Ford, as far as I can tell, it wasn't used in any of the close-ups. It looks as if the prop people wanted it VERY aged to look as if it was at the end of the movie, but NONE of its distressing matches the rest of Ford's other LC jackets during the close-ups. By looking at the pic provided by Band Director Jones, and popping in my LC DVD and zooming up on that particular scene with Ford hanging off the gun barrel, it is VERY distressed along the seams, just like this LC jacket.
I may be wrong, it's just my hypothetical guess, but seeing how Ford wore the stuntmen's jackets in the original "Raiders" during the desert truck scene and the flying wing scene, he may also have worn this stunt jacket during the hanging off the tank barrel scene..... :idea: Besides, with him hanging onto the barrel, arms swinging, dirt falling onto him, PLUS it being at the end of the movie anyway, who would look to see if this scene kept the jacket's distressing consistent...? My guess is that it is a stuntman's jacket, but used by Ford during this "hanging off the tank barrel" scene. Besides, a few members here mentioned a few other inconsistencies, such as the "X" boxed stitching on the pull straps, that would be possible indications that it "could" have been taken from the stunt team....The original Raiders jacket was modified by the stunt team, so it's a pretty good chance that this one was, as well. The only problem is that we can't really compare the back of Ford's LC jacket to the LC stunt jacket; seeing how limited we are to them as we can with the original Raiders/Flightsuits Expedition jacket...
I apologize for the lengthy posting
, they were just a few ideas that I had 
. Thanks for listening! 
Kindest Regards,
Captain D
However, when I look at this jacket, I can't see it as one. When I look at Noel Howard's ToD jacket, the jacket has smaller cargo pockets and the collar is smaller and more rounded. This Last Crusade jacket has a larger, and a more pointed, collar. I mean, I dunno anything about tailering/alterations, lol, but can the prop people in Hollywood really alter the collar and cargo pocket "sizes" after something like this has already been made...?
To me, when I watch the Last Crusade, the distressing looks fairly consistent as the film progresses. If you look at the LC jacket in the Smithsonian, and the Chicago LC jacket, they look virtually identical...I can't tell one from the other. On the other hand, by looking at THIS LC jacket, the distressing looks highly inconsistent, and nothing that I have ever seen in ANY of the close-ups with Ford in the Last Crusade. They obviously sanded down/distressed every part of every seam which is highly inconsistent to these other LC jackets that we see in Chicago and Washington, DC.
I realize that the name: "Harrison Ford" is written within this jacket, but if it "was" worn by Ford, as far as I can tell, it wasn't used in any of the close-ups. It looks as if the prop people wanted it VERY aged to look as if it was at the end of the movie, but NONE of its distressing matches the rest of Ford's other LC jackets during the close-ups. By looking at the pic provided by Band Director Jones, and popping in my LC DVD and zooming up on that particular scene with Ford hanging off the gun barrel, it is VERY distressed along the seams, just like this LC jacket.
I may be wrong, it's just my hypothetical guess, but seeing how Ford wore the stuntmen's jackets in the original "Raiders" during the desert truck scene and the flying wing scene, he may also have worn this stunt jacket during the hanging off the tank barrel scene..... :idea: Besides, with him hanging onto the barrel, arms swinging, dirt falling onto him, PLUS it being at the end of the movie anyway, who would look to see if this scene kept the jacket's distressing consistent...? My guess is that it is a stuntman's jacket, but used by Ford during this "hanging off the tank barrel" scene. Besides, a few members here mentioned a few other inconsistencies, such as the "X" boxed stitching on the pull straps, that would be possible indications that it "could" have been taken from the stunt team....The original Raiders jacket was modified by the stunt team, so it's a pretty good chance that this one was, as well. The only problem is that we can't really compare the back of Ford's LC jacket to the LC stunt jacket; seeing how limited we are to them as we can with the original Raiders/Flightsuits Expedition jacket...
I apologize for the lengthy posting
, they were just a few ideas that I had . Thanks for listening! Kindest Regards,
Captain D
Last edited by Captain D on Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:11 pm, edited 2 times in total.
The disttressing seems to be pretty similar to the one in that scene.
Precisely.
This jacket was not used in any of the close-ups, even the zeppelin scenes or the airplane chase. I watched LC earlier tonight and scrutinized every shot the jacket appears in.
However, I"m certain that he wore this jacket for some of the tank shots, especially since BDJ posted a screencap from that scene. There are a few other parts in that scene where the distressing matches the jacket in question.
This jacket was not used in any of the close-ups, even the zeppelin scenes or the airplane chase. I watched LC earlier tonight and scrutinized every shot the jacket appears in.
However, I"m certain that he wore this jacket for some of the tank shots, especially since BDJ posted a screencap from that scene. There are a few other parts in that scene where the distressing matches the jacket in question.