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Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:40 pm

How do you get this effect???

or

Just curious.

Indy N.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:09 pm

The first thing you so is order your Wested without the inside facing along the zipper.

I think that phenomenon is known as the demon roll.

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:16 pm

Now, what exactly is meant by the "inside facing"? I've heard it mentioned before here at COW. As to ordering the jacket, I already have one (English Lamb). It has lasted me three or four (maybe five) years now and has distressed the way I like it, the problem is I wanted "screen accurate" and I found out about the lining only after I got it (go figure, I got the all cotton). Oh, well, I guess there is an excuse to buy another Wested after all

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Indy N.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:17 pm

I though the Riaders jacket had an all cotton lining? Well, it doesn't matter, my Wested has the all cotton lining and I love it.

Now, about the inside facing. Its the strip of leather that runs along the zipper on the inside of the jacket. I would think that your jacket has it, but being 5 years old it may not. I'm not really sure though.[/u]

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:18 pm

J_Weaver wrote:I though the Riaders jacket had an all cotton lining? Well, it doesn't matter, my Wested has the all cotton lining and I love it.
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I believe you are right. The Raiders jacket had all cotton, but Peter recommends the combination cotton with satin sleeves as it aids in putting on and taking off the jacket without the cotton lining pulling at your sleeves.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:25 pm

You know I never had any trouble from the all cotton lining in my Wested. I guess its just a matter of preference.

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:24 am

Bufflehead Jones wrote:I believe you are right. The Raiders jacket had all cotton, but Peter recommends the combination cotton with satin sleeves as it aids in putting on and taking off the jacket without the cotton lining pulling at your sleeves.

Are you sure, Bufflehead, because I could swear that the Raiders jacket had a satin lining. I'm thinking a screengrab or two might help...oh, well! Another excuse to watch Raiders again

Indy N.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:17 am

Michaelson, Rick, have you seen this thread yet???? Your demon-roll is screen accurate!

Re: how to get it...wouldn't know. I don't think anybody's TRIED to do it. But I know those guys above have TRIED to get rid of it! Apparently if it's going to happen to your jacket, I believe Michaelson's experience is it happens kind of right out of the box.

It's either something about the cut vs. your body shape or not. Or maybe it's just something about the leather. I don't think anyone's figured it out. (I have a silly theory, but no one liked it last time, so

Pbbbttt!)

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:19 am

Hey, I'm up for anything, Jerry

Indy N.

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:39 am

Indiana Neri wrote:How do you get this effect???

or

Just curious.

Indy N.

And here I thought you were wondering how to get a big blue circle around your right pectoral section of your chest! I was just going to tell you to grab a blue magic marker and draw away! (you can still do it if you want too

)

silly me

have a nice day.

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:41 am

I guess I set myself up for that one, TR.

I don't see any blue Sharpie's in my or my Wested's future, lol.

Indy N.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:41 am

Indiana Neri wrote:Hey, I'm up for anything, Jerry

Indy N.

Okay, then, silly theory away. It's the diagonally-hanging flag syndrome. Really.

Take a flag on a pole. Stick that pole out horizontally. Flag hangs nice and flat, right?

Now tilt the pole upward at a 45 degree angle. What happened? The flag furled.

Why? Because now the same width of material is attempting to hang vertically in a reduced space.

I.e, if the flag is 3' wide, hanging vertically it spans 3' in width. No bunching. But if it hangs at a 45 degree angle, that 3' width of flag is bunched together to hang vertically in a width that now only spans (oh, shoot...where's the calculator...just over 2' wide (2.12 for those keeping score).

That means 3' of fabric has to be folded over a approx 33% to cover only about 2'. Through furling, the only way for it to naturally accordion itself.

What does this have to do w/ leather jackets?

The collar is like the flag pole. A nice, firm collar, no demon roll. I.e., the front body panel of the jacket and the collar remain in place, and flat.

But if the collar is, say, weaker than some torque on the body panel - thinner leather, perhaps? - or maybe the collar was a straight piece sown in a curve, instead of cut curved or rolled around it's axis (not a leather worker, so I'm in the dark as to the exact cause and effect here), the collar sags perhaps, or the tension in the body panel (previously stretched, during mounting/cutting, perhaps?) causes the front leather panel to no longer hang straight.

Now, if it isn't hanging straight, it hangs just as much fabric in less width. So it furls. Demon roll.

I can extrapolate further on this, but why bother if it sounds so silly already? (I'm late, I've got to go discuss hat theory w/ 3thoubucks...)

J

P.S. As an exercise for the reader, compare the location of the point of the collar band between pictures w/ and w/o the demonroll.

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:47 am

Not bad, Jerry. So you think it might be the thickness of the leather on the collar vs. the front pannel that makes the "deamon roll"?

Indy N.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:51 am

Somehow, it seems like the collar is giving in to pull fromt the front panel.

Maybe thinness of the collar vs. weight of the front panel, or some property induced by the cut & stitch (ever affixed canvas to a frame, or a screen into a window frame, and come out w/ a twisted, torqued diamond shape instead of a nice flat panel? same thought), or even just a breakdown of the entire collar/upper front panel structure.

Face it, if the front panel is stiff, especially at the top, this won't happen. That would explain why when Rick soaked his and dried it zipped (held fast in the correct position), after drying stiff it stayed away for quite a time.

J

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:57 am

Clear as mud, lol. I think I giot something of a deamon roll on my Wested lamb, but it's not screen accurate. What I mean is that my front (right) pannel is straight then it kinda curves in at the bottom. I always keep my Wested hung on a wooden hanger and zipped up (as to keep it on the hanger). If I am to "achieve" the "proper" deamon roll, am I to get it damp and not zip it up on the hanger?

Indy N.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:27 pm

I know that you mean Pagey. My jacket will roll right along the edge of the inside facing if I coax it. I can see how some jackets will roll on thier own. The other side of my jacket doesn't want to roll at all.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:53 am

Indiana Jerry wrote:Michaelson, Rick, have you seen this thread yet???? Your demon-roll is screen accurate!

Yep, but I still hate it.

Regards! Michaelson

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