2 things about the Raiders lid-

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:41 am

I am now totally convinced of two things about this hat.

1. The ribbon is definitely BROWN! I believe this discussion has gone 'round before, numerous times I'm sure, but there is a scene that totally convinced me. When the weed-whacking guide finds the scary statue, screams and runs, Indy approaches the statue and we see him from behind. Not only is it extremely clear the ribbon is brown, but you can also see the "folded sweatband" line,plain as day. I used to think the ribbon was black- it is not, it is brown. (just my 'pinion)

2. I'm in the school of thought, now, that Noodle-man

is making more of the hat story(now in retrospect) than was really done. In looking at the hats of the two Nazis chasing Indy in Cairo, I think it was just the style of the person on "Hat" detail for the making of that movie. They got all the hats from this one guy, he just happened to have a very nice style of work. He blocked them all relatively the same. Stove pipe straight and tall. All of 'em have a slight "turn" and stylish brim. I don't think TOO much thought went into it, it's just the way he made hats. Lo and behold, he wasn't available for the next two movies- so they never looked the same. Ford's hat just needed to look old and beat-up to fit his character of the movie. Harrison and probably umpteen other costume artists constantly messed around with the hat making it look dirty, sweaty, beat-up, squashed and double pinched etc. and hence,we have the end product. Although we love the hat, and would like to think more artsy-fartsy technique went into it, I think it just happened to come out like it did-a hat with AWESOME character and appeal. Although I've seen numerous movies and pics where the "turn" seems to have been a stylish fashion statement of the times, that was probably the only(and probably minimally, at that) detail taken into consideration. In reality, the "hat" guy probably had a total of 5 minutes input into the "look" of the hat. The rest was just his own hand in the making and blocking of the lids.

Of course, this is just my opinion, I could be wrong- but it's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Have a nice day.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri May 06, 2005 8:57 am

1. I concur. The ribbon is brown. That would have been the most common way to go in the 30's too.

2. Yes, that too. Spaghettilady did probably spice her story a little. I seriously doubt that an extra effort to create an iconic hat was made during the making of ROTLA.
The Nazis are also dressed in generic 1930's outfits (aside from the a wee bit too narrow pant legs, but that's just nitpicking ;-) ) with corresponding high-crowned fedoras. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Nazi hats are HJ's as well. As for Rice-a-Roniperson's "Australian" comment... well, I think she has the right to not remember everyhing correctly. Pastawoman was involved in a lot of movie productions in those days. I'm sure her recollections of the the Blues Brothers' or the Three Amigos' wardrobe would be equally flawed, should anyone ask about it...

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri May 06, 2005 9:29 am

Getting a little "saucey" with your comments, eh, Scandinavia? If that is your real name... Or should I say Scone-dinavia?

bink

Shawnkara · Post by **Shawnkara** » Fri May 06, 2005 9:48 am

I will always believe the ribbon is black. But I do agree that not much thought went into it. They probably asked for a "period hat" and that's what they got. The distinct look, as you said, is just the random result of everyone tinkering with it.

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:15 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:Getting a little "saucey" with your comments, eh, Scandinavia? If that is your real name... Or should I say Scone-dinavia?

Just showing how much cred Bolognesegirl's statements have after 20 years.

What about you, bink? Do you take Springrollchick's word for it?

Dakota Ellison · Post by **Dakota Ellison** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:57 pm

I think she wasn't even present. Ford and Spielberg picked out the hat, Swales cut it and shaped it and changed the ribbon and out the door they went and later showed it to Naselbroom, said where they got it and someone may have remarked that it looked "rather Australian". She liked it , so they ordered 30 more.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:41 pm

Scandinavia Jones wrote:
binkmeisterRick wrote:Getting a little "saucey" with your comments, eh, Scandinavia? If that is your real name... Or should I say Scone-dinavia?
Just showing how much cred Bolognesegirl's statements have after 20 years.

What about you, bink? Do you take Springrollchick's word for it?

Well, I agree that Capalliniskull romantisized much of the story after 20 minutes at 350 degrees. As custard designer for the film, I think she probably did have something to do with the choice of hat, even if it was merely taking a taste of the soup and saying it needed more basil. I do like the story of how she and Ford kneeded the hat before putting it in the oven.

bink

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sat May 07, 2005 12:26 am

Geez, guys, show a little respect to Rotini-woman. Caneloni-lady? Marinaranoodleman?

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Sat May 07, 2005 12:35 am

You guys have me rolling ...

The fun never stops.

Regards,

Scandinavia Jones · Post by **Scandinavia Jones** » Sat May 07, 2005 6:25 am

Texas Raider wrote:Geez, guys, show a little respect to Rotini-woman. Caneloni-lady? Marinaranoodleman?

We are showing respect... nobody has said Pizzaface.

I was going to say "Caneloni-Lady", but you beat me to it. Congrats. *tips non-Aussie, high crowned fedora in your direction*

VP · Post by VP » Sat May 07, 2005 8:02 am

Scandinavia Jones wrote:*tips non-Aussie, high crowned fedora in your direction*

What?

A ToD fan wearing a high crown?

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Sat May 07, 2005 8:10 am

Google lady? Who??

-Look her up!

Regards,
Swindiana

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Sat May 07, 2005 10:23 am

Actually, I think they chose the hat with a nice red wine.

binklava

Strider · Post by **Strider** » Sat May 07, 2005 4:55 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:Actually, I think they chose the hat with a nice red wine.

binklava

Not some fava beans and a nice chianti?

Regards,

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Sat May 07, 2005 8:07 pm

Yep, I'd agree with all that, Texas Raider.

Actually, I think they chose the hat with a nice red wine.

binklava

I would have thought a white wine would have gone better with the hat. The red could confuse the palette a little too much. Last night we were out to dinner and I had a rumpled fedora with a spray of desert sand- it was divine... the chef did a marvelous job. Bravo... bravo!

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Sun May 08, 2005 8:34 am

We should celebrate this woman's birthday as some kind of Indy-Nation holiday.

Dakota Ellison · Post by **Dakota Ellison** » Sun May 08, 2005 9:09 am

This string wasn't hi-jacked, it was boiled with a little salt, then thrown to the wall to see if it would stick.