the legend of zorro

dr. tyree · Post by **dr. tyree** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:53 pm

Has everyone seen the new trailer for the sequel to The Mask of Zorro?
If the film is faithful to the preview, this will feature a LOT of whip action.

We have to wait til October, but until then, we can watch the trailer over and over...

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/thelegendofzorro/

check it out,

Dr. Tyree

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:15 pm

I've already watched it 3 times!

Thanks for the link!!!!! High regards! Michaelson

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:52 pm

Michaelson, did you fall asleep during the first two showings?

Just checking.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:06 pm

Nope. Couldn't hear it the first two.

Regards. Michaelson

Shawnkara · Post by **Shawnkara** » Fri May 06, 2005 3:22 pm

The only whip action I saw was the animated stuff in the titles

Oh, well. At least Antonio doesn't have that stupid 90210 hair cut anymore.

Post by **Dalexs** » Fri May 06, 2005 8:47 pm

As a big fan of Zorro, WOW!
I haven't paid to much attention to trailers and such lately.
I didn't realize it was coming out so soon.
Forget the whip action, how about the sword play!

I can't wait!

Dalexs

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Fri May 06, 2005 9:54 pm

Ole! (Texan translation to my reaction: Yeehaw!)

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Fri May 06, 2005 10:10 pm

I actually have Antonio Banderas' "hero" bullwhip from the new movie in my shop right now.

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Fri May 06, 2005 10:29 pm

Todd, I hope you get pics of it. Is it for your personal collection or is it for sale?

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Fri May 06, 2005 10:36 pm

Oh, no. It's only on loan from Sony Pictures. I'm going to be making licensed replicas. I couldn't believe my eyes when I first saw it. It's a plain-jane black indy whip. A little disappointing. I was expecting something fancier - nice handle or something. It's not even that well made. I'm not sure where they got it, but if it was from Morgan then he's really lost his touch. I will get pictures though before I return it.

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Fri May 06, 2005 10:42 pm

I heard awhile back that Strain was making the whips for that movie. When you say you're making replicas, are you doing the braiding yourself?

Do these not have the little silver thing on them like the other Zorro movie?

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Fri May 06, 2005 11:27 pm

Yes, I will make them myself and employ other whip makers if need be.

Nope, no siver pieces - standard 8" handle Indy all the way. I have one of the "Mask of Zorro" versions too, and it is a much nicer whip.

I thought the knob looked like Joe's work, but the rest does not live up to his reputation. Uneven strands, gaps in the braiding, etc.

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Fri May 06, 2005 11:29 pm

Wow, I didn't know you made whips. How many plaits will they be? How many bolsters? Will you be using Roo hide. Can't wait to see your whips! What other hidden talents do you have?

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Sat May 07, 2005 12:14 am

No Anthony HOPKINS?!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?

Blast those writters

:evil:

Anybody know who the bad guy is (the actor)? I can't quite figure if I had seen him before.

To make this somewhat Indy related, how does (if it does) it compare/differ from the Indiana jones whip from WSP? Is there that much of a difference between the Indy/Zorro/Catwoman/Austrialian, aside from the silver band?

Indy N.

Ripper · Post by **Ripper** » Sat May 07, 2005 12:48 am

Hopkins died in the first one. He was great in that movie.

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Sat May 07, 2005 12:50 am

I don't remember that! Oh, well, an excuse to rewatch that movie (if I can do some archeological dig in my basement for it).

Indy N.

Andiana · Post by **Andiana** » Sat May 07, 2005 2:35 am

Does anyone here know were the music if from in the trailer? It sounds like something from Pirates of the Caribbean, but I know it isn't from THAT film.

The last Zorro film was a great fim for meany reasons, but mostly because it was a REAL film. Most action films these days have bad acting, un-developed characters, and too many CGI effects. In Mask of Zorro, I actually cared about the main hero and his allies, CGI effects were not bombarding the film, and the story and acting was superb. Can't wait for the next installment.

Kris · Post by **Kris** » Sat May 07, 2005 6:29 am

The music seems typical hollywood style lately, losta big druns and all which some likes. I liked it with Pirates, but it has been done too much lately ..

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sat May 07, 2005 8:36 am

Andy, I noticed the same thing. I'm looking at www.imdb.com and Pirates and Zorro have different composers, so that blew my theory that maybe they had the same person composing the music. So don't know what to tell ya.

Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Sat May 07, 2005 10:26 am

I think sometimes, for trailer purposes, they'd use the same music for two different movies. Same composer or not, the trailer music doesn't necessarilly go on the soundtrack. For instnace, the music that was on the "Ocean's 11" soundtrack was used in another movie (I believe it was "After the Sunset"). I guess they feel if the audience hears something familiar, then it would make the audience relate to a similar movie, hence wanting to see it THAT much more,

. And, if I may say so, I think it worked rather well on their part

. I just can't wait to hear that ever-so-suttle begining to the Indiana Jones theme: you know, the horns in the background, before it goes into the main theme? Watch the Indy-DVD trailer to see what I'm talking about, lol.

Indy N.

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Sat May 07, 2005 12:49 pm

MODERATOR EDIT Sorry to do this but I dont think you have the liscence to produce replicas for this movie nor do I think you have ANY props from either film. Loaned or not.......I just watched the preview and lookrd at the whip....It's nothing like you discribed. It looks the same as it did in the first Zorror movie. It's got the silver band and all.....Looks nothing like an indy. I dont believe the props for this film came from Elstre (SP?) Studios either. Where is your proof for all of this?

MODERATOR EDIT

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Sat May 07, 2005 1:52 pm

Vegeta,

Thanks for giving me a good chuckle today. I needed a good chuckle.

FYI: I make many products licensed by Universal but I do not have the licenses myself. I manufacture for a marketing company who does have the license. I will also be manufacturing the Zorro hat/mask replica on a nice wooden display stand. If you look on my website and check the Xena items that are licensed and limited edition you will see the items I manufacture myself. These are only a small number of the items I make. You didn't think I was supporting myself with Indy gear, did you?

I looked at the trailer online and didn't see a whip. If you have seen a picture of a whip that is different than I described please let me know the source. It is possible Sony sent the wrong whip. It is on loan to the marketing company who owns the license and it was in turn loaned to me. I was told it was listed among items that Sony deemed "licenseable" and were available for loan. I certainly don't want to put effort into re-creating the wrong prop.

As a matter which may be of some iterest to readers here, WSP does not have an "exclusive" license for Zorro whips. Licenses go to those who have the money to get them and the ability to sell a large number of products. Licenses do not go to those who are the most talented craftsmen. In fact, licenses ususally don't go to craftsmen at all. WSP for example, does not manufacture whips. They procure the license and then hire outside craftsmen to do the work. Who they hire, I'm sure, depends a great deal on who can supply the quantity they need by the deadline required.

Not to bore anyone, but in addition to the Zorro items mentioned, I am currently developing prop reproductions from X-men, Daredevil, Elektra, Gladiator, Spiderman, as well as some more Hercules and Xena items (including Xena's whip).

I apologize for stretching the topical constraints of this forum.

BTW, ITG, you cracked one of my whips at the Queen Mary. I don't make them for sale at this moment, simply because there's no money in it. I just make them for my own interest. However, I'm working on some innovations that should make them a more economical to manfacture.

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Sat May 07, 2005 4:49 pm

MODERATOR EDIT...Watch the preview posted at the top of the page.......You can see the whip clear as day when Zorro moves what I think is a lamp or a statue and under it is a hidden area where the whip is revealed... MODERATOR EDIT

By the way, WSP does produce there own whips in house for their replicas. I've spoken to Mark Allen personally and he told me they had 2 or 3, cant remember, top notch, professional whip makers who do the braiding. I believe there are a couple that arent in house like Joe Strain, the best of the best as far as I'm concerned. And a few others, but those few are made by the people who actually made the screen used props, which is even better.

So like I said earlier.......I stand behind my statements and opinions. I've been a member of the RPF for 5 years as well as many other prop communities and have seen about a dozen people come and go who have made claims similar to yours trying to cash in on a particular prop while they can. Making all kinds of really fancy claims, just like yours, and I feel thats exactly what you're doing.

Prove me wrong though......Post some pictures of these "screen used" props you have. Start producing some LISCENCED, AUTHENTIC, 100% LEGIT, ACCURATE replicas and I'll take back what I said, kiss your feet and post a public apology.

Shawnkara · Post by **Shawnkara** » Sat May 07, 2005 7:03 pm

Not to take sides in thi whole debate on legitimacy, but the whip in that chest does have the silver band. But then who knows? Doesn't mean it's the whip used in the film. You see all kinds of stuff in trailers that do not appear in the final film. He$$, that could be a deleted scene from the first film. All you see is a hand. There was a teaser trailer for Rambo III that showed Rambo actually hand forging the knife he carried. In the final film he gets it from the same Afghani guy that supplies the rest of his gear.

Andiana · Post by **Andiana** » Sat May 07, 2005 7:35 pm

Perhaps Puppetboy received the wrong type of whip?

I didn't know you made whips Todd!

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sat May 07, 2005 8:49 pm

Puppetboy wrote: I looked at the trailer online and didn't see a whip. If you have seen a picture of a whip that is different than I described please let me know the source. It is possible Sony sent the wrong whip.

I think you should take pics of the whip and send them to Joe Strain and ask if this is a whip he made for The Legend of Zorro. His website is:
http://www.northernwhipco.com/

BTW, ITG, you cracked one of my whips at the Queen Mary. I don't make them for sale at this moment, simply because there's no money in it.

Aw yes! How the memory fails when we get older.

dr. tyree · Post by **dr. tyree** » Sun May 08, 2005 9:50 am

wow, didn't mean to start an uproar!

The trailer is cut so rapidly, you almost have to scroll through it in slow motion, which you can on other websites that allow to pause it, etc., to see everything.

Zorro uses the whip MANY times in the trailer, including catching himself while falling at the very beginning (he then lands on a beam of some kind) and later he can be seen swinging on it various times. I also love the use of the chapel as a secret hideout. It looks like the suit is in the organ, the whip in the communion wafer stand, the sword in the font, etc.

And yes, that does appear to be the "official" Zorro whip with the silver band that is in the church. At other times it may not be. In the first film it was the same way; the longer whips used in many of the action scenes especially at the beginning and end, were black Indy style whips. The precision whip used mostly by Anthony Hopkins to snuff candles, etc., is the Alex Green whip with the silver band.

And I agree about the swordplay-- it looks like Bob Anderson has outdone himself staging a double case of rapiers fight on top of a moving train. Awesome!

The bad guy is Rufus Sewell, who usually has very curly hair. He is also the bad guy in A Knight's Tale.

Tyree

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Sun May 08, 2005 11:38 pm

Thanks Tyree, I think that exlains why I got that whip. The trailer I was able to view on my dial-up connection is so small and blurry I can barely make it out.

Honestly, I wondered if there might have been a mistake with the whip. I had a hard time believing they had changed from that nice Alex Green style to an Indy whip. If they used Indy whips for some shots that would explain why it was in Sony's inventory. I'll contact the license holder and see if they can request the other, main whip.

dr. tyree · Post by **dr. tyree** » Sun May 08, 2005 11:57 pm

Also, it is common practice for a film to "borrow" music from an earlier release for its trailer. This is usually because the trailer is out so early that the new film's original score isn't finished yet. One example is "Gangs of New York" which used the main theme from "Gettysburg" for its trailer. At the original sneak preview screening of "Gone with the Wind" the famous Max Steiner score had not yet been finished and recorded, so the film was scored with music from "The Prisoner of Zenda" for the preview audience. I kind of wonder why the "Legend of Zorro" trailer wouldn't use music from "Mask of Zorro," but whatever.

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Mon May 09, 2005 12:18 am

Puppetboy, I was talking to Sebastian (Whip Enthusiasts) on Saturday regarding this and he also mentioned that if it was not "well made" then it wouldn't be a Strain. He did mention that whipmakers will sometimes send whips to movie studios for them to use their whips so that they can have bragging rights of being able to say their whip was used in such-and-such movie. So perhaps someone other than Joe Strain sent in a whip that may have had some screen time and that's the whip that was sent to you by Sony. I don't know if that's the case here, but just something to throw into the pot to think about.

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Sun May 15, 2005 9:52 pm

OK. Need to chime in here.

There were other whips besides the silver-banded target whip of Alex's that were used in "The Mask of Zorro." These were Indiana Jones-type whips, 12 plait, 8" handle, and all. Supplied by David Morgan in fact, (though Joseph Strain can take credit for a few, if not all of them, as he was apprenticed to Morgan at the time.) The extremely LONG one used by Hopkin's Zorro, (actually Alex,) at the beginning of the film when he wraps the muskets and swings around the hacienda was NOT the silver collared one. Look closely. It's a black Indy.

In fact, the 6' one used by Banderas at the end of the film, (at the goldmine,) was from Morgan's Indy supply, because when it arrived on-set, it was natural tan. From my understanding, it was sent to Mark Allen to dye it black. I've held this whip. It's not the Alex Green, silver banded one. Banderas kept it after filming, but a year or so later gave it back to Alex, who sold it to Mark Allen, who loaned it back to Alex to train Halle Berry for "Catwoman." When all was said and done, and Mark got it back, he sold it to Gery Deer, (which is where I've seen it.)

The black whip used by Hopkins was, I believe, Alex Green's personal whip. Hopkins used it in scenes that were actually sort of ad-libbed, (watch the making of stuff on the DVD.) Hopkins wasn't actually supposed to do that much whip work, but fell in love with it while working with his Alex, his stunt double.

The whips that WSP market as their "Zorro whips" are replicas of Alex's whip, replicated by Joe, (and I believe that Joe does all of these, though the 'lil Zorro's are made by Paul Nolan.)

I don't think WSP has so much the "license" to produce Zorro whips, but the agreement to produce replica's of Alex's whip, which happens to have appeared in "Mask of Zorro." I don't know. Ask Mark.

I'm with Holly and Sebastian. If it's not "well made," it's not a Strain. Even the whips Joe makes that he himself thinks "are just not good" are bloody amazing, (when I ordered my Lonestar from him, we talked about a couple of whips Paul Nolan has of his that I really liked. He wasn't happy with how they came out.) As the lady says, there may be stunt whips, etc. that weren't Strain whips, (which is what Sony may have sent Todd,) or might have been Strain whips that were somehow damaged and "Repaired" by propmasters, (as is often the case. "Throw a strip of gaffers tape on it, and get throught this scene!") which would explain shoddy plaiting, (trust me...this happens.) But I'm pretty sure that all the hero props were supplied by Strain.

Once again, not sure. Ask Joe.

There's no reason to think that Strain has somehow produced @#$%. There's also no reason to think that Todd would misrepresent himself on this, either. I've seen his stuff and it's top notch. Hardly a fly-by-night prop making company! There's also no reason that Mark Allen would misrepresent anything either.

If anyone is at fault, it's probably Sony, and then, the only fault is either miscommunication, or misunderstanding.

Just my two cents. I'm sure a little digging by Todd, (either talking to Strain, or asking for further clarification from Sony,) will fix all of this. But that's between him and Sony. None of our business anyway, (unless we want to buy an officially licensed whip when the movie comes out. I'm not all that into officially licensed stuff, and Strain's Alex Green whip from WSP is just such a joy to handle!)

So, lets all take a couple deep breaths, smile, and play nice.

jerryrwm · Post by **jerryrwm** » Sun May 15, 2005 11:16 pm

thefish wrote:OK. Need to chime in here.

There were other whips besides the silver-banded target whip of Alex's that were used in "The Mask of Zorro." These were Indiana Jones-type whips, 12 plait, 8" handle, and all. Supplied by David Morgan in fact, (though Joseph Strain can take credit for a few, if not all of them, as he was apprenticed to Morgan at the time.)

Didn't know that Joe was an apprentice to Morgan. According to the stories and legends that might be a stretch of the truth.

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Sun May 15, 2005 11:28 pm

In my conversations with David Morgan, he has rlayed the story of making a stunt whip for "The Mask of Zorro". Specifically, he made a 40ft whip that had a cable as a belly. The braid was made around the cable. It was a typical 12-plait braid that transitioned to a 4-plait braid. This was done due to the length of the whip and the cable belly.

In addition, his website lists the 450 series in black as being used in "The Mask of Zorro."

Mike

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Sun May 15, 2005 11:53 pm

Apprentice or no, Strain did work for Morgan when Mask of Zorro was being made.

Ask him if you like.

And the natural tan whip was sent by Morgan by mistake. The production crew called him at the last minute, needing a whip pronto, (they got out to the desert, and had all the props, including the cable-bellied whip, but didn't have a hero prop for Banderas to "throw" before cutting to the shot with the cabled stunt whip.) The whip that David sent was natural tan.

It was dyed, and there are a couple places on the whip today, (on the knot, primarily,) where the dye has flaked off a bit.

Luisiana Jones · Post by **Luisiana Jones** » Mon May 16, 2005 2:46 am

lol, It seems spanish heroes are getting famous nowadays, we have Zorro and Captain Alatriste

may some more come up!

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:24 pm

So I was looking at the "Official Zorro Whip" at Western Stage Props. The list price is $595.00 for a 6-foot 6-inch whip. Is this whip really worth that much. For $590.00, I can get an 8-foot David Morgan.

They also have the "Son of Zorro Whip" for $225.00. This is a 4-foot whip. Considering that a 5-foot David Morgan lists for $460.00, this seems to be more reasonable.

I just can't imagine an extra 2 and a half feet costing $370.00. That's more than the first 4 feet.

Just looking for some opinions on this.

Mike

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:58 pm

one is 12 plait the other is 8 plait. One has a gold and silver band, the other has a plain metal band. The morgan is diffrent from the zorro whip, because of the handle length. The longer handled one is a aussie style, and the short one is basicly a black indy.
Regards,
Adam

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Tue May 17, 2005 12:05 pm

Wow! What great information! I did mention the apparent mistake to the license holder. I'll have to wait and see if they take it up with sony or not. At any rate, I have taken a few pictures and am going to return the whip shortly. I would post the pictures, but I'm not sure if there are any sort of confidentiality agreements prohibiting posting pictures on the internet. The LAST thing I want is to get the license holder steamed at me or get them in trouble with the studio. I really enjoy getting to borrow these cool props. Last summer I has a load of neat stuff from "Alexander" including Alexander's cool lion helmet and Achiles' shield ( I guess the carry Colin Ferrel off the battlefield on it.) If any of you are really interested e-mail me and I will e-mail the photos to you.

The whip from Western Stage Props is truly beautiful. If it is indeed a Strain I am very impressed. Western Stage Props does have an actual license from Zorro Enterprises, but not an exclusive one. They don't have whipmakers on site, as any of you who have visited there already know. It is a small place. Many of their low-priced whips look like the ones from Texas Bullwhip (or is it Texas Whip Company?) and the ones where the maker is not named are made by various other established whipmakers.

I was told the Joe Strain was cutting back his workload. Does anyone know?

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Tue May 17, 2005 12:20 pm

The Zorro whip from WSP also comes with a certificate of authenticity signed by Mark and Alex, AND it comes with your choice of the Mask of Zorro DVD or VHS.

Yeah, I do think it is a bit pricey considering what you can get for less, but as to the whip itself, I've played with one and HOLY MOLY it almost cracks itself! Far more graceful and elegant than any Indy-type whip I've ever handled, (Morgan, Strain, and Nolan.) Still don't know if the piece of paper, and the DVD I can pick up in the 9.99 "previously viewed" bin at Blockbuster is worth all that much, but the whip handles gorgeously.

However, you can also contact Joe Strain direct at the Northern Whip Company, and have him make you a Zorro-like whip, (metal collar and all,) at whatever length and color you want. And you know, he's good, but he's not the ONLY good whipmaker out there ;-)

Example: Our very own RacerX has a GORGEOUS 7' Strain target whip with a 12 plait red and black overlay that is built exactly like the Zorro whip, save without the Zorro on the metal color, and it's in a different length and different color scheme. (Pics Jim?) I don't know what he paid for it, though, but I'd imagine that it's less than the Zorro, (don't really know as it's two tone, which uses two hides, and with the scarcity of good Roo right now, maybe not.)

Just my two bits.

(Jim, you ARE bringing that to Annie Oakley, aren't you? PLEEEEEZE! I promise I won't drool much!)

-Dan

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:19 pm

Paul nolan also makes a nice zorro whip i believe.
He actually might be one of the people who WSP contracts to make
thoes.

Regards!
Adam

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:32 pm

He makes most of the Lil'Zorros, (which is what those are.)

BUT, he will be making my 6 foot Target whip, (which will most likely look quite a lot like that, but in a different color, with a different band.)

Cheers!

Dan

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:20 pm

I should add that I don't necessarily know if Nolan knew that yet ;-)

Hey Paul! Guess what!

-Dan

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Tue May 17, 2005 8:22 pm

Yea,

And hes about to ship my 8 foot indy.

Adam

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Tue May 17, 2005 11:50 pm

Oh, Cool!

Congrats Adam! Post pics when it comes!

-Dan

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Tue May 17, 2005 11:51 pm

sure will!

midwestwhips · Post by **midwestwhips** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:41 am

floatinjoe wrote: They also have the "Son of Zorro Whip" for $225.00. This is a 4-foot whip. Considering that a 5-foot David Morgan lists for $460.00, this seems to be more reasonable.

I just can't imagine an extra 2 and a half feet costing $370.00. That's more than the first 4 feet.

Just looking for some opinions on this.

Mike

Hey Everybody, just thought I'd chime in here.

There are a couple big differences between the regular Zorro whip and the Son of Zorro.

For one, there is obviously the difference in length, but something to consider, is it is not just the length of the top layer of braiding that is different, also the braided bellies inside and the bolsters and the core, which not only allots to more materials, but also can be a considerable amount of time.

The second thing is the inside construction, while the bullwhips that are 5 feet and over have two braided bellies inside them, the 4 footers have only one belly, for a number of reasons. On a whip that small it can be counter productive to put that much weight into the thong area, and then it would also require lead in the handle knot to balence that out, causeing the whole thing to be reasonably heavier. Also, most of the customers of these short 4 foot whips are children and indoor performers, both of which I'm sure do not want a heavier whip than needed. Also the mechanics of how a whip cracks would be a bit inhibited by a bulkier thong on so short of a whip. It would flex far less easily making it harder to crack. After making hundreds of these shorter style whips, this is the conclusion that I've come to.

Then there is the issue of the numbered, i think they are silver or gold plated, metal band and the knot cap. And also a bit of fancy plaiting in the handle, as well as the handle being longer.

There is also the fact that the big ones are liscensed, so I'm sure there is a little bit of royalties that are paid for one, as well as them being made by one of the makers for the movie.

Also, the son of zorro 4fters are actually 12 plait, even though the picture in the catalog and on the website are of the 8 plaits that were from a couple years ago.

Regards,

Paul Nolan
MidWestWhips

midwestwhips · Post by **midwestwhips** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:45 am

thefish wrote:He makes most of the Lil'Zorros, (which is what those are.)

BUT, he will be making my 6 foot Target whip, (which will most likely look quite a lot like that, but in a different color, with a different band.)

Cheers!

Dan

thefish wrote:I should add that I don't necessarily know if Nolan knew that yet

Hey Paul! Guess what!

-Dan

Dan,

This is News to ME!

)

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:02 am

Well, I hope it's not problematic news.

I could have sworn I'd e-mailed you about this possibility months ago. anyway...

It's not exactly time-sensitive news, as I initially wasn't going to have the money to spare until after October, and now that seems to have been pushed back because of an imminent need for pocket money on a trip to London in December, (and that's a considerable amount, considering the current exchange rate.) So it's a ways off...

But, yeah. Target whip sorta like the Alex Green whip, but not exactly...More of a Dan Trout signature bullwhip in homage to the great AG! ;-)

-Dan

Jonesy · Post by **Jonesy** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:03 pm

Andiana148 wrote:Does anyone here know were the music if from in the trailer? It sounds like something from Pirates of the Caribbean, but I know it isn't from THAT film.

Yeah, it's basically the same song, but with some different notes. Interesting!

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Sun May 22, 2005 6:18 pm

ill make this into a new thread when the whip arrives, But paul just sent me this picture of the handle of my whip!

Regards
Adam