Zahi Hawass' lid develops "the Cairo look"

3thoubucks · Post by **3thoubucks** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:09 am

Before and after. This is his main lid lately. Must have been a hot summer. These generic wool hats have a nylon filiment in the edge of the brim, that give you a fine looking brim, whatever your head shape. I tried to shrink my Miller down a size, and get less taper, by soaking the felt in the ribbon area, but the water moved up too far, and now it looks like Zahi's hat. Probably just his sweat that shrank it? Is this effect present in the Raiders Cairo fedora?

....After I made this post I started watching Raiders. In the opening credits when it says Denholm Elliot there's a shot of Indy from the back at about knee level. He looks up into the trees and the top of the crown looks exactly like the top of one of these generic wool hats. Like a little dome hugging the scull with a moat around it? Never noticed that before......

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:43 am

I love the fact that he wears a hat. All archeologists should be required to wear a hat.

Fedora

Indiana Cojones · Post by **Indiana Cojones** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:07 am

I cringe whenever I see Hawass. That whole show a year or two ago where they went to explore the "secret chamber of the pyramid" turned out to be nothing but an exercise in anti-semitism. He was just ranting and raving about how Egyptians had built the pyramids, not those horrible little Jews. It was very sad.

Post by **Ken** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:04 pm

I also observed him to be not very open to new ideas - I remember Graham Hancock spoke to him once and he got very angry at the suggestion Egypt's history could be much older. Fair enough, Hancock doesn't always get it right and makes mistakes (he evern admitted this himself on TV) but a steadfast refusual to accept the possibility of an alternative, well its just arrogant.

Ken

PS - Man would I love his job though

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:11 pm

Here's a story about a recent discovery by Hawass, I thought you all might find interesting:

http://www.boston.com/news/science/arti ... in_shafts/

Sadly, no photos of of either him or his hat.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:33 pm

I still say the man has class. I hope he always wears a hat. Fedora

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:34 am

An update. He is still wearing the hat, or one like it. I saw him last night on the news, with that huge mummy find from the first millenium. He had the hat on. Fedora

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:03 am

Well, that's good to hear. I respect the guy. He is a very passionate and well-spoken promoter of the culture and history of Egypt. He is living a life, I think, many of us would like to emulate.

-And he has keen fashion sense!

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:42 am

No matter what you think of him, he's done a fine job in improving Egypt's ability to control their own artefacts. In Egypt now if it belongs in a museum, it belongs in the Cairo Museum!

) He's legislated that anyone digging in Egypt must catalogue and publish their work through Egyptian avenues while also instructing them to preserve their dig sites.
Good on him. Nice hat too.

)

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:51 am

He is also trying to recover stolen or "borrowed" Egyptian artifacts from other countries that were taken before the authorities were able to control archeological work done in Egypt.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:02 am

I can understand why he would want those back in Egypt. But, Indy's grave robbing sure would have suffered.

Fedora

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:24 am

Mixed feelings on Hawas's efforts. He wants anything taken after 1917 (I believe that was the date), but failed to mention that the Egyptian government DID have controls in place at that time, in no way 'politically correct' to today's standards or laws, giving archaeologists half of what they discovered, and the rest to the Egyptian authoritites. Now he wants everything back. So, does Egypt have a plan in place on repaying the foreign government's archaeology departments the funds spent for the original expeditions to recover these artifacts in the first place? They fronted the entire bill on those digs, Egypt only supplied the licenses to search. Oddly enough, that is a subject they have not brought up to my knowledge. They have stated that those countries who do NOT return the artifacts will never have access to Egypt again for research or field work, so are they blackmailing the world for the return of items that were originally part of a business deal made by the Egyptian government and world years ago? It is indeed a current debate going on in the world of Egyptology, and was a subject of a TV special not that long ago.

As to his hat....I also remember when Hawas' first appeared in a Fox special, he categorically stated his disgust at the Indiana Jones brand of archaeology, and even mentioned him as that 'fedora wearing grave robber' . At the time he either appeared with no head gear, or had a boonie type hat. By the second Fox special, he had acquired the wool fedora you're now talking about, and has appeared with it ever since. I laughed when I first saw it, especially after remembering his comments regarding same in the prior special, as you knew darn good and well what inspired that head gear. Ah well, things change.....

Regards. Michaelson

Post by **Jens** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:16 pm

Neolithic wrote:He's legislated that anyone digging in Egypt must catalogue and publish their work through Egyptian avenues while also instructing them to preserve their dig sites.

I've read in an Archaology Journal (at University) that a group of British Archaeologists were banned from their dig-site in Egypt for a whole year after they published an important found first in Great Britain instead of Egypt. A whole year!

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:23 pm

Be careful of what you say and where you say it... Hawas might be a member of this site.

And, Dude... if you are reading my posts, get an Akubra!

Post by **Jens** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:29 pm

Uuuh

, you may be right!

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:13 pm

I never liked Zahi that much either. He's too fanatical, he believes that EVERY Egyptian artifact in the WORLD should be returned to Egypt, and put in their museums. Fine, that's a nice sentiment, but what if those museums get raided, or burned down, or bombed? The whole world's Egyptian artifacts go down the drain. That's what happened to like half of the worlds Mesopotamian artifacts. They were in The Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad, and they got looted when the city descended into Chaos. :junior: -IJ

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:35 pm

I have to say I do agree with you guys. Personally I find him a little corny and a lot of what he does seems to be sensationalist and some things questionable. Michaelson, you couldn't have said it better- mixed feelings.

Egypt really needs someone like that though I think, despite his faults he seems to be creating himself as a much higher level media personality and getting attention. So I'd still say he's doing a good job in that department- he's the start to a better future for Egypt.

I'd be embarrassed if he was wearing an Akubra though, sorry Ren...

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue May 04, 2004 9:31 am

F.Y.I. - Zahi Hawass is going to be on "The Connection" on NPR todat at 11 AM EST in the Boston area and various other times around the country. You might want to catch it.

Also, I had this crazy idea that we should take up a collection and buy this guy a nicer hat. He must have an address at the Cairo Museum. But how do we find out his size?

I thought it would be really funny if a bunch of us sent him a new lid.

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Tue May 04, 2004 9:54 am

No, let him get his own hat. After all, he disparaged the Indiana Jones type of archaeologist.

Fedoraman · Post by **Fedoraman** » Tue May 04, 2004 10:20 am

Peacock's Eye wrote:No, let him get his own hat. After all, he disparaged the Indiana Jones type of archaeologist.

Who wouldn't? Like it or not our hero was a shady character

DanoSaurus · Post by **DanoSaurus** » Wed May 05, 2004 11:35 am

Peacock's Eye wrote:No, let him get his own hat. After all, he disparaged the Indiana Jones type of archaeologist.

Hehe wouldn't that make it all the more sweet, if we sent him a Raiders bashed Federation?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed May 05, 2004 11:43 am

We could also fix a pin to the front of it which read "I'm an archeologist."

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Wed May 05, 2004 11:44 am

Hehe wouldn't that make it all the more sweet, if we sent him a Raiders bashed Federation?

Book 'em, Dano,
That's exactly what I was talking about! He looks good, represents himself well, his detractors can smile at the irony of his hat, and his fans can do a nice gesture; everyone wins.

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Wed May 05, 2004 5:19 pm

Yeah, and we get to claim that there actually IS an archaeologist out there who dresses like Indy. The only difference is he has an egyptian accent, acts like a jerk to anyone who comes up with new ideas and has some of the most politically-influenced views in the business.

Who wouldn't? Like it or not our hero was a shady character

FYI fedoraman, Indy's not shady, he's the typical archaeologist of his period. It's like saying Babe Ruth wasn't a great batter just because modern batters have outdone him. :junior: -IJ

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:18 pm

Another discovery by Dr. Hawass. It looks like he has a new hat.
http://www.boston.com/news/science/arti ... _in_egypt/

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:21 pm

Nope. Same old wool thing he's had for years.

Regards. Michaelson

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:24 pm

Michaelson wrote:Nope. Same old wool thing he's had for years. Regards. Michaelson

I guess you're right. At first I thought it was different than the one at the top of this page, but upon closer inspection...
Well, good for him, keeping an old beat up hat like another archeologist I know of.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:29 pm

I can't figure out how he can stand to wear a wool hat in that heat! Heck, I have to put my beaver felts away when it gets warm, as they about cook my head anymore. I wear my light weight vintage Borsalino to survive the summer heat here in Tennessee. I can't IMAGINE wool! I sure can tell I've experienced a physical change, as I used to wear fur felts year round! It's an effort for me now!

Regards! Michaelson

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:41 pm

Michaelson wrote:I can't figure out how he can stand to wear a wool hat in that heat! Heck, I have to put my beaver felts away when it gets warm, as they about cook my head anymore. I wear my light weight vintage Borsalino to survive the summer heat here in Tennessee. I can't IMAGINE wool! I sure can tell I've experienced a physical change, as I used to wear fur felts year round! It's an effort for me now! Regards! Michaelson

I wore my Beaver Adventurebilt in the Puerto Rican rain forest and I was fine. It seemed to provide shade. But, then as temperatures climbed in the early afternoon and we were travelling uphill, steep uphill, I started to get very hot and I dipped my head in the La Mina River a few times to cool down. When I got back to Old San Juan, I bought a Panama.

I am still glad I wore my Adventurebilt, especially for the photos.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:49 pm

Yep. There's definitely been a change in my thermostat control as I've aged.

Regards. Michaelson

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:02 pm

Michaelson wrote:As to his hat....I also remember when Hawas' first appeared in a Fox special, he categorically stated his disgust at the Indiana Jones brand of archaeology, and even mentioned him as that 'fedora wearing grave robber'

Grrr...well that does it. I refuse to watch any programmes with him in now. :evil:

Indy might may only be a fictitious character, but he is my role model, and I also don't take kindly to this person who thinks he's it cos he's got a PhD and makes statements like "Archaeology is not Raiders of the Lost Ark..."

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:05 pm

ClintonHammond wrote:Are you hitting menopause Michaelson? It's about time! LOL

Gosh, I sure HOPE that's not it, Clinton!!!

Regards! Michaelson

Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:25 pm

Canyon wrote:Grrr...well that does it. I refuse to watch any programmes with him in now. :evil:

Don't be too hard on old Hawass there Canyon.

He is just doing what he thinks is best for the appearance of his profession. Personally I think tourism might receive a little boost by name dropping every once in a while but that is just me. I think he does more good than harm with regards to the image of Egypt & archaeology.

Let us take his comments towards Indy as a result of...too much sun?

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:59 pm

Who....ME???!!!

(we now see Michaelson slink quietly under his desk) Regards! Michaelson

Nicht Storen · Post by **Nicht Storen** » Tue May 03, 2005 3:09 pm

I respect Mr. Hawass for the things he has done over the years for recovering, preserving, interpreting the past in Egypt. He has been the visible figure in archaeology for a while now and I wish other ancient cultures around the world had this kind of visible leader championing for their past.

"Archaeology is not Raiders of the Lost Ark." Just wondering how much of his time Mr. Hawass had to go around to media orginizations trying to dispell the idea that Raiders was archaeology?

Indy is a shady character. He may have been doing only what archaeologists of his period have done. But I think he killed a few people too, stole a few horses, a car etc. He is shady. That's why we like him 'cause he gets away with the things we wish we could.

Nicht Storen · Post by **Nicht Storen** » Tue May 03, 2005 3:22 pm

ClintonHammond wrote:For the record, Indy fan or not, I have no desire to kill people, or steal horses!

LOL

Well. That's a relief. I am only pointing out that while some of his behavior may have been acceptable, other aspects are not. Which is why Indy is a shady character.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:21 pm

This is what I love about the world you guy's are getting more upset about his hat and comments on Indy that the comments " those horrible little jews." I already don't like the guy or respect him.

Feraud · Post by **Feraud** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:32 pm

jpenman wrote:This is what I love about the world you guy's are getting more upset about his hat and comments on Indy that the comments " those horrible little jews." I already don't like the guy or respect him.

Did he actually use those words? btw, I ask because I honestly do not know....

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:52 pm

Indiana Cojones

[quote]I cringe whenever I see Hawass. That whole show a year or two ago where they went to explore the "secret chamber of the pyramid" turned out to be nothing but an exercise in anti-semitism. He was just ranting and raving about how Egyptians had built the pyramids, not those horrible little Jews. It was very sad.

This is what I was talking about.

I liked to know if this is what he said and so why I was the only on who say it.

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:10 pm

That's quite the charge. I would be very surprised if he had said that and more surprised if the show had aired on PBS, National Geographic Channel, or the History Channel unchallenged. If someone makes a charge like that, they had better have an exact quote, an exact title of the program on which it aired, and the context in which it was said. Short of that, don't mention it. This is certainly not the forum for it.

Consequently, I did a search on Google on Zari Hawass Anit-semitic and got nothing.

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:11 pm

It is a fact that skilled labor built the pyramids and not slave labor as was previously thought. This only means that "Ben-Hur" was wrong, not the Bible.

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Tue May 03, 2005 7:48 pm

Nicht Storen wrote:Indy is a shady character. He may have been doing only what archaeologists of his period have done. But I think he killed a few people too, stole a few horses, a car etc. He is shady. That's why we like him 'cause he gets away with the things we wish we could.

In Indy's defense, I must say that I never saw him shoot anyone that he didn't have to. The only time he stole a horse or car he really needed to. But lets not turn this into a character study.

As for Hawass, I've seen many of his shows and never detected anything anti-semitic in it. But really guys, this isn't the place to discuss it. What do you say we just let it go?

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Tue May 03, 2005 7:51 pm

Indiana Cojones, please let use know where you got this from.

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue May 03, 2005 7:55 pm

J_Weaver wrote:As for Hawass, I've seen many of his shows and never detected anything anti-semitic in it. But really guys, this isn't the place to discuss it. What do you say we just let it go?

I'm with Weaver; this is not the place to discuss this sort of thing. We discuss gear.

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Tue May 03, 2005 10:24 pm

Hemingway Jones wrote:It is a fact that skilled labor built the pyramids and not slave labor as was previously thought. This only means that "Ben-Hur" was wrong, not the Bible.

Yeah, I tried to tell my Global History teacher that, but she didn't believe me.

His point was that the archaeological evidence found at and around Giza seems to contradict some of the claims made by Jewish mythology... I don't see anything anti-Semitical about that...

It's more on the subject of "Fact" VS. "Truth"

and as we should all know... Archaeology is the search for FACT...

Exactly, nothing anti-semitic about that. Besides, the world has enough anti-semitism to worry about without getting on Hawass' back for it. :junior: -IJ

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Tue May 03, 2005 10:59 pm

As far as Hawass hat goes it definitely has a reverse taper going on. Looks very close to what is seen in the Cairo hat.

hank jr · Post by **hank jr** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:18 am

Remeber--Jewish "mythology" never says that the proto-Hebrews built the pyramids. Exodus 1:11--"They built supply cities, Pithom and Rameses." These cities were in the Delta area.

I deal with this all the time with my students.

Hank Jr

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:16 am

To bring up Dr. Hawass once again, in Sunday's (May 15, 2005) New York Times in their "T" Style magazine there was a short blurb on Dr. Hawass in which it states that he is a big fan of Harrison Ford.

DanoSaurus · Post by **DanoSaurus** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:49 am

I work for the company that provides broadcast services for the National Geographic Channel and last night we aired a new show on Geo about King Tuts "final secrets". Pretty decent show where they catscan the mummy and sculpt a recreation. Neat. Anyway, there was good ole Zahi wearing that dog-ugly $30 wool crushable outback hat.

Seriously guys, Zahi needs a new lid...if we all chip in like $5 or $10 maybe we could get him a Federation or maybe even a rabbit Adventurebilt. How can we find out his hat size? I'm guessing big like mine 7 1/2 or 7 5/8.

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:03 am

DanoSaurus wrote:I work for the company that provides broadcast services for the National Geographic Channel and last night we aired a new show on Geo about King Tuts "final secrets". Pretty decent show where they catscan the mummy and sculpt a recreation. Neat. Anyway, there was good ole Zahi wearing that dog-ugly $30 wool crushable outback hat.

Seriously guys, Zahi needs a new lid...if we all chip in like $5 or $10 maybe we could get him a Federation or maybe even a rabbit Adventurebilt. How can we find out his hat size? I'm guessing big like mine 7 1/2 or 7 5/8.

I suggested this before Dano and I was quickly shouted down by his detractors.

Maybe we are feeling more charitable? Anyway, if you want to know his hat size, I suggest you ask him. An address for him shouldn't be too hard to find or an email address. It would have to be an Adventurebilt though.

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