Favorite guns. (Good Webley discussion in here)

saber1927 · Post by **saber1927** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:46 pm

Of all the hand guns that appeared, not limited to any charactor, in the trilogy what is your favorite?
I have always had asoft spot for the Webley revolver and Mauser Broomhandle pistol.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:54 pm

Smith and Wesson triple-lock from Raiders. The most expensively made revolver ever produced in the United States for it's time period. Action locked up like a bank vault! Regards. Michaelson

Terryhimself · Post by **Terryhimself** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:42 pm

I own most of the handguns used in the movies. From a totally practical
standpoint, I would have to go with the Browning Hi-power. Ammo and parts available anywhere in the world and much easier to conceal when necessary....Terry

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:30 am

I like the really loud one that dropped the Swordsman in Cairo with one shot.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:32 am

That would be a Smith & Wesson with the audio of a Winchester 30-30. (As described in the bonus material of the DVD set

) After I found that out, it occurred to me that it WAS a Winchester! I have a model 94 30-30 which sounds exactly like that!

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Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:42 am

Easy, the Smith and Wesson.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:31 am

Terryhimself wrote:. From a totally practical
standpoint, I would have to go with the Browning Hi-power. Ammo and parts available anywhere in the world and much easier to conceal when necessary....Terry

Practical, sure, but he was asking what our favorite was. Heck, I drive a 50 Plymouth...practical? Heck no. Favorite ride? Absolutely! (grins) Regards. Michaelson

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:00 pm

I know it's not a handgun but the MP40 from LC was pretty fun to watch. But, the Hi-power has my vote.

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:56 am

Michaelson, I have a question for you regarding your choice of favorite handgun from the Indy trilogy. Your choice was the S&W triple-lock. I thought the triple-lock was the first hand ejector model and the one use in Raiders was a second model hand ejector model. If I am in error, please clear this up for me.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:05 am

No, you are absolutely correct. In my part of the country, anything made prior to the 1917 in an N-frame (and in some gunstores INCLUDING the 1917) are referred to as triple locks....wrong, but who's going to correct an old gunsmith working on your gun at the time it's said?

Thanks for correcting that for me!

Regards. Michaelson

(did I actually say 'triplelock'?!

Surely not.... good grief.

)

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:57 am

Thanks, Michaelson, I knew I could count on you. Sometimes, I have to double check what I think I know with someone else. It's not just the mileage on me, it's the years, too.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:59 am

In my case, it's usually the lost brain cells.

Regards. Michaelson

Nicht Storen · Post by **Nicht Storen** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:08 pm

I like the MP 40 as well. I know it isn't a revolver, but from my understanding the MP stands for machine pistol. That's close enough for me.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:46 pm

I've handled one or two S&W 1917's... I hope I can score one someday. I think that's gotta be my favourite Indy gun...

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jack · Post by **jack** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:36 pm

Mark 6 webley for sure

saber1927 · Post by **saber1927** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:06 pm

Yes those Mark 6 Webleys certainly have a style all there own. Perhaps the best made Military revolver. When you find the proper loading they can be very accurate, inside thier range limitations, and they weigh the same as a colt 1911, unloaded.

Just the barrel shape and the workmanship to get a proper fitting and tight top-break revolver action with automatic shell ejector is considerable.When you consider that the Mk6 was a mass produced military arm made for the average grunt thats saying a lot.

Ive seen many of the civilian models from that time period and handled several. They have a trigger pull that would put a custom Colt Python to shame and some of the best finishes of the period, but of course in their time they would cost the average Britt easily twice what the service model would run.

Luisiana Jones · Post by **Luisiana Jones** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:02 am

My favourite guns are the luger p08 parabellum, and the desert eagle, and for rifles ive always loved the one the US used in WW2 as a sniper rifle, the springfield ´03

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:38 am

I love the look of the Webleys probably more than the S&W, however, if I had to choose between the two in a gun fight, I think I'd have to opt for the S&W. I mean, Indy actually HIT people he shot at with the S&W, but I don't remember him actually landing a shot with the Webley.

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jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:44 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:I love the look of the Webleys probably more than the S&W, however, if I had to choose between the two in a gun fight, I think I'd have to opt for the S&W. I mean, Indy actually HIT people he shot at with the S&W, but I don't remember him actually landing a shot with the Webley.

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Its a film remember

, don't knock the webley, best revolver going

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:00 pm

Ah, it's gotta be the Smith and Wesson from Raiders.

http://www.theindyexperience.com/screen ... een/52.jpg

Besides, you know what a cautious woman I am...

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:10 pm

jack wrote:Its a film remember , don't knock the webley, best revolver going

Provided you don't want to HIT anything, that is. (Just kidding....just kidding...)

Regards. Michaelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:11 pm

jack wrote:
binkmeisterRick wrote:I love the look of the Webleys probably more than the S&W, however, if I had to choose between the two in a gun fight, I think I'd have to opt for the S&W. I mean, Indy actually HIT people he shot at with the S&W, but I don't remember him actually landing a shot with the Webley.

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Its a film remember , don't knock the webley, best revolver going

You mean it's not real?!

Yeah, I know. I love the looks of the Webley, but if it's been milled to accept a different cartridge, the accuracy goes to pot.

jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:13 pm

well then don't mess around with it and keep it in .455

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:27 pm

Jack, you've got to remember we're here in the States, and most of the Webleys we find have been converted to .45 ACP when they hit our shores, so a .455 is kind of rare here, and the ammo next to impossible to find. Regards. Michaelson

saber1927 · Post by **saber1927** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:03 pm

Well hornady just started making 455 webley ammo but it costs over .80 a round. Also I have heard of several people reworking moonclips to work with 455 ammo for converted guns.
Actually 45acp Webleys can be very accurate if you find a load or manufacterer they like, and even with normal 45acp ammo they can still hit a combat target every time, just dont expect target grade accuracy.
Ive used one in the field and have never had any problems except 1 broken Barrel catch sprin and 1 broken main spring (which had been filed on to reduce the trigger pull), both were replaced with new springs.
With moon clips the gun can be reloaded as fast as any auto, and the possibility of jaming is almost none. Unless you get a bent moon clip but that is pretty much the same with any 45acp revolver.

English Adventurer · Post by **English Adventurer** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:06 pm

Perhaps the best made Military revolver

When you consider that the Mk6 was a mass produced military arm made for the average grunt thats saying a lot.

Officers issue only I'm afraid old chap!

(Said in the best upper class English accent

)

Ian

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:59 pm

Pyroxene wrote:I know it's not a handgun but the MP40 from LC was pretty fun to watch. But, the Hi-power has my vote.

Here yo go, Pyro!

jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:09 pm

English Adventurer wrote:
Perhaps the best made Military revolver

When you consider that the Mk6 was a mass produced military arm made for the average grunt thats saying a lot.
Officers issue only I'm afraid old chap! (Said in the best upper class English accent )

Ian

Yep, sidearms only issued to officers, oh and machine gun crews

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:35 pm

jack wrote:
English Adventurer wrote:
Perhaps the best made Military revolver

When you consider that the Mk6 was a mass produced military arm made for the average grunt thats saying a lot.
Officers issue only I'm afraid old chap! (Said in the best upper class English accent )

Ian
Yep, sidearms only issued to officers, oh and machine gun crews

And. SNCO's....

jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:47 pm

not really, revolvers were only issued to officers, and lewis or vickers machine gunners (ww1). WW2 the same only issued to officers a nco's/ snco's were issued smg's.

saber1927 · Post by **saber1927** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:07 pm

Also Officers were allowed to purchase any sidearm they wished providing it chambered the .455 catridge. Webley Greenes, Webley&Scott target models, Webley Wilkensons, and even the legendary Webley Fosbery auto-revolver were quite popular with some officers.

And some officers completely broke the rules and would carry guns like the Mauser broomhandle in .30 caliber.

Indy I believe carries a WG in the Last Crusade when he is shooting at the comandant on the tank, and you can clearly see the "bird's head" grip when he surrenders it in the cave. They have the same basic lines as the MK6 but larger and heavier frames, its not that uncommon in movies to use one as a stand-in for a slightly smaller Mk6 so the gun will appeard more massive in certain scenes. The give away in the WGs dont have Holster guide "wings" on the sides of the barrel, though some did have square butts.

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:04 pm

Sergei wrote:Here yo go, Pyro!

That's cool! Thanks.

jack · Post by **jack** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:02 am

British officers would always use standard issue weapons- in ww2 it would either be - webley mark4 .38 service revolver
enfield no2 mk1* .38 service revolver
enfield no2 mk1 .38 service revolver
and perhaps the smith and wesson victory revolver. Pistols would only be issued to special units like commandos and para's where the issue of sidearms was far greater than the infantry. About them using C96 mausers, perhaps in the boer war but not the first or second.

saber1927 · Post by **saber1927** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:50 pm

There is documentation of Brittish officers using webley fosberys at the start of the war as well as the Mauser broomhandle.

Luisiana Jones · Post by **Luisiana Jones** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:14 pm

omg Sergei thats a cool image

jack · Post by **jack** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:10 pm

saber1927 wrote:There is documentation of Brittish officers using webley fosberys at the start of the war as well as the Mauser broomhandle.

Perhaps the first, but definately not the second- an officer in ww2 was issued with a smg- either mk2/mk3 sten gun and a sidearm. The sidearm would be one of the ones i've described in my last post- he wouldn't need to change it or pick up a other pistol/revolver as what he would be issued with would be good enough- they're only for short range work, personel protection thats why they were only issued to officers. Remember in the first officers were only issued with revolvers so they may well have picked up other weapons, most probably an smle. The same goes for early ww2 until the sten came in 41.

saber1927 · Post by **saber1927** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:31 am

Yes by the second world war the officers were pretty much stuck with what they were issued. Of course private ownership of firearms had become much harder in in england during the 1920s so most officers, and men, probably had very little to no experience with firearms by WW2.

jack · Post by **jack** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:09 am

saber1927 wrote:Yes by the second world war the officers were pretty much stuck with what they were issued. Of course private ownership of firearms had become much harder in in england during the 1920s so most officers, and men, probably had very little to no experience with firearms by WW2.

Don't agree with what you said about them having little experiance. thats the whole point of standard issue so every one will be issued with their particular weapon- rifle what ever and the ammo for it- private purchase of sidearms was not allowed during ww2 and never happened. British troops by ww2 would have had plenty of weapons training.

saber1927 · Post by **saber1927** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:31 pm

I did not mean to imply that all the men and officers should have gone out and purchased private better weapons. I was merely saying that until they joined the military most of them had probably never handled a gun.

While at the start of WW1 a great many of the officers had private arms and were known to be engaged in many shooting sports. Many of these men were killed along with a great deal of England's professional army during "The War to End All Wars". Their replacements were normally hastily trained and had very little practical experience with firearms.

By WW2 gun laws had been in effect for 18yrs that made it difficult and burdensome for many private citizens to own or gain experience with fire arms. Most of the WW2 troops in the english Army had no prior experience with firearms other than what the army had taught them. Even if they had been allowed the option of private weapons I doubt many would have taken advantage of it. Though I have seen quite a few pictures of troops carrying captured German weapons, like lugers, P38s, and Broomhandles.

Beside all the private purchase revolvers (rifles were never allowed except as hunting arms) during WW1 took the standard 455 caliber Webley amunition. And Most were simply more polished versions of the standard Webley service revolvers. Though I know of at least one officer who purchased a comercial 455 colt new service in 1915 before being sent to the front.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:54 am

Maybe we need to change this post heading to one regarding a Webley discussion, as folks are going to miss out under it's current title.

Regards. Michaelson

jack · Post by **jack** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:22 am

Michaelson wrote:Maybe we need to change this post heading to one regarding a Webley discussion, as folks are going to miss out under it's current title. Regards. Michaelson

Yes British officers in ww1 did carry other .455 revolvers- but usually these where ISSUED instead of being bought. Some smith and wesson .455 revolvers where sent to Britain during ww1.

The webley and fosbery wasn't a favorite due to its unreliablity in bad conditions- thats where the mk6 webley didn't have any problem.

This is the whole point of standard equipment- i'm not saying some officers bought their own- but standard weapons are designed (especially british weapons) for reliability- as i say the fosbery was very unreliable. Accurate but unreliable. Thats why it was never standard but the mk5, mk6 and some colt and smith and wesson .455's where.

jack · Post by **jack** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:01 pm

By the way got a near mint condition mk4 webley a few weeks back

, will post pics as soon as i can

saber1927 · Post by **saber1927** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:04 pm

455 Mk4 or 380 Mk4? Both excelent guns. The 380 is probably the strongest 38S&W caliber gun made.

I recently bought a copy of the book Illistrated Encyclopeidia of Guns and it has a picture of a Mk4 380 barrel that was cut down the center. It had seven rounds of 380 FMJ ammo lodged in it, and the barrel was not even bulged. A 380 Colt Official Police was next to it and had burst its barrel after six rounds.

On another page is a picture of a Mk4 455 that had three chambers blown out. The top strop was completely gone and the center chamber was nonexistant. Still near as I could tell from the photo the Barrel catch was still in perfect shape.

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