Favorite guns. (Good Webley discussion in here)
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Favorite guns. (Good Webley discussion in here)
Of all the hand guns that appeared, not limited to any charactor, in the trilogy what is your favorite?
I have always had asoft spot for the Webley revolver and Mauser Broomhandle pistol.
I have always had asoft spot for the Webley revolver and Mauser Broomhandle pistol.
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Favorite Handgun
I own most of the handguns used in the movies. From a totally practical
standpoint, I would have to go with the Browning Hi-power. Ammo and parts available anywhere in the world and much easier to conceal when necessary....Terry
standpoint, I would have to go with the Browning Hi-power. Ammo and parts available anywhere in the world and much easier to conceal when necessary....Terry
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Re: Favorite Handgun
Practical, sure, but he was asking what our favorite was. Heck, I drive a 50 Plymouth...practical? Heck no. Favorite ride? Absolutely! (grins) Regards. MichaelsonTerryhimself wrote:. From a totally practical
standpoint, I would have to go with the Browning Hi-power. Ammo and parts available anywhere in the world and much easier to conceal when necessary....Terry
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Michaelson, I have a question for you regarding your choice of favorite handgun from the Indy trilogy. Your choice was the S&W triple-lock. I thought the triple-lock was the first hand ejector model and the one use in Raiders was a second model hand ejector model. If I am in error, please clear this up for me.
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No, you are absolutely correct. In my part of the country, anything made prior to the 1917 in an N-frame (and in some gunstores INCLUDING the 1917) are referred to as triple locks....wrong, but who's going to correct an old gunsmith working on your gun at the time it's said?
Thanks for correcting that for me!
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(did I actually say 'triplelock'?! Surely not.... good grief. )
Thanks for correcting that for me!
Regards. Michaelson
(did I actually say 'triplelock'?! Surely not.... good grief. )
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Yes those Mark 6 Webleys certainly have a style all there own. Perhaps the best made Military revolver. When you find the proper loading they can be very accurate, inside thier range limitations, and they weigh the same as a colt 1911, unloaded.
Just the barrel shape and the workmanship to get a proper fitting and tight top-break revolver action with automatic shell ejector is considerable.When you consider that the Mk6 was a mass produced military arm made for the average grunt thats saying a lot.
Ive seen many of the civilian models from that time period and handled several. They have a trigger pull that would put a custom Colt Python to shame and some of the best finishes of the period, but of course in their time they would cost the average Britt easily twice what the service model would run.
Just the barrel shape and the workmanship to get a proper fitting and tight top-break revolver action with automatic shell ejector is considerable.When you consider that the Mk6 was a mass produced military arm made for the average grunt thats saying a lot.
Ive seen many of the civilian models from that time period and handled several. They have a trigger pull that would put a custom Colt Python to shame and some of the best finishes of the period, but of course in their time they would cost the average Britt easily twice what the service model would run.
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Its a film remember , don't knock the webley, best revolver goingbinkmeisterRick wrote:I love the look of the Webleys probably more than the S&W, however, if I had to choose between the two in a gun fight, I think I'd have to opt for the S&W. I mean, Indy actually HIT people he shot at with the S&W, but I don't remember him actually landing a shot with the Webley.
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Ah, it's gotta be the Smith and Wesson from Raiders.
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You mean it's not real?! Yeah, I know. I love the looks of the Webley, but if it's been milled to accept a different cartridge, the accuracy goes to pot.jack wrote:Its a film remember , don't knock the webley, best revolver goingbinkmeisterRick wrote:I love the look of the Webleys probably more than the S&W, however, if I had to choose between the two in a gun fight, I think I'd have to opt for the S&W. I mean, Indy actually HIT people he shot at with the S&W, but I don't remember him actually landing a shot with the Webley.
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Well hornady just started making 455 webley ammo but it costs over .80 a round. Also I have heard of several people reworking moonclips to work with 455 ammo for converted guns.
Actually 45acp Webleys can be very accurate if you find a load or manufacterer they like, and even with normal 45acp ammo they can still hit a combat target every time, just dont expect target grade accuracy.
Ive used one in the field and have never had any problems except 1 broken Barrel catch sprin and 1 broken main spring (which had been filed on to reduce the trigger pull), both were replaced with new springs.
With moon clips the gun can be reloaded as fast as any auto, and the possibility of jaming is almost none. Unless you get a bent moon clip but that is pretty much the same with any 45acp revolver.
Actually 45acp Webleys can be very accurate if you find a load or manufacterer they like, and even with normal 45acp ammo they can still hit a combat target every time, just dont expect target grade accuracy.
Ive used one in the field and have never had any problems except 1 broken Barrel catch sprin and 1 broken main spring (which had been filed on to reduce the trigger pull), both were replaced with new springs.
With moon clips the gun can be reloaded as fast as any auto, and the possibility of jaming is almost none. Unless you get a bent moon clip but that is pretty much the same with any 45acp revolver.
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Yep, sidearms only issued to officers, oh and machine gun crewsEnglish Adventurer wrote:Perhaps the best made Military revolver
Officers issue only I'm afraid old chap! (Said in the best upper class English accent )When you consider that the Mk6 was a mass produced military arm made for the average grunt thats saying a lot.
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And. SNCO's....jack wrote:Yep, sidearms only issued to officers, oh and machine gun crewsEnglish Adventurer wrote:Perhaps the best made Military revolver
Officers issue only I'm afraid old chap! (Said in the best upper class English accent )When you consider that the Mk6 was a mass produced military arm made for the average grunt thats saying a lot.
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Also Officers were allowed to purchase any sidearm they wished providing it chambered the .455 catridge. Webley Greenes, Webley&Scott target models, Webley Wilkensons, and even the legendary Webley Fosbery auto-revolver were quite popular with some officers.
And some officers completely broke the rules and would carry guns like the Mauser broomhandle in .30 caliber.
Indy I believe carries a WG in the Last Crusade when he is shooting at the comandant on the tank, and you can clearly see the "bird's head" grip when he surrenders it in the cave. They have the same basic lines as the MK6 but larger and heavier frames, its not that uncommon in movies to use one as a stand-in for a slightly smaller Mk6 so the gun will appeard more massive in certain scenes. The give away in the WGs dont have Holster guide "wings" on the sides of the barrel, though some did have square butts.
And some officers completely broke the rules and would carry guns like the Mauser broomhandle in .30 caliber.
Indy I believe carries a WG in the Last Crusade when he is shooting at the comandant on the tank, and you can clearly see the "bird's head" grip when he surrenders it in the cave. They have the same basic lines as the MK6 but larger and heavier frames, its not that uncommon in movies to use one as a stand-in for a slightly smaller Mk6 so the gun will appeard more massive in certain scenes. The give away in the WGs dont have Holster guide "wings" on the sides of the barrel, though some did have square butts.
British officers would always use standard issue weapons- in ww2 it would either be - webley mark4 .38 service revolver
enfield no2 mk1* .38 service revolver
enfield no2 mk1 .38 service revolver
and perhaps the smith and wesson victory revolver. Pistols would only be issued to special units like commandos and para's where the issue of sidearms was far greater than the infantry. About them using C96 mausers, perhaps in the boer war but not the first or second.
enfield no2 mk1* .38 service revolver
enfield no2 mk1 .38 service revolver
and perhaps the smith and wesson victory revolver. Pistols would only be issued to special units like commandos and para's where the issue of sidearms was far greater than the infantry. About them using C96 mausers, perhaps in the boer war but not the first or second.
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Perhaps the first, but definately not the second- an officer in ww2 was issued with a smg- either mk2/mk3 sten gun and a sidearm. The sidearm would be one of the ones i've described in my last post- he wouldn't need to change it or pick up a other pistol/revolver as what he would be issued with would be good enough- they're only for short range work, personel protection thats why they were only issued to officers. Remember in the first officers were only issued with revolvers so they may well have picked up other weapons, most probably an smle. The same goes for early ww2 until the sten came in 41.saber1927 wrote:There is documentation of Brittish officers using webley fosberys at the start of the war as well as the Mauser broomhandle.
Don't agree with what you said about them having little experiance. thats the whole point of standard issue so every one will be issued with their particular weapon- rifle what ever and the ammo for it- private purchase of sidearms was not allowed during ww2 and never happened. British troops by ww2 would have had plenty of weapons training.saber1927 wrote:Yes by the second world war the officers were pretty much stuck with what they were issued. Of course private ownership of firearms had become much harder in in england during the 1920s so most officers, and men, probably had very little to no experience with firearms by WW2.
I did not mean to imply that all the men and officers should have gone out and purchased private better weapons. I was merely saying that until they joined the military most of them had probably never handled a gun.
While at the start of WW1 a great many of the officers had private arms and were known to be engaged in many shooting sports. Many of these men were killed along with a great deal of England's professional army during "The War to End All Wars". Their replacements were normally hastily trained and had very little practical experience with firearms.
By WW2 gun laws had been in effect for 18yrs that made it difficult and burdensome for many private citizens to own or gain experience with fire arms. Most of the WW2 troops in the english Army had no prior experience with firearms other than what the army had taught them. Even if they had been allowed the option of private weapons I doubt many would have taken advantage of it. Though I have seen quite a few pictures of troops carrying captured German weapons, like lugers, P38s, and Broomhandles.
Beside all the private purchase revolvers (rifles were never allowed except as hunting arms) during WW1 took the standard 455 caliber Webley amunition. And Most were simply more polished versions of the standard Webley service revolvers. Though I know of at least one officer who purchased a comercial 455 colt new service in 1915 before being sent to the front.
While at the start of WW1 a great many of the officers had private arms and were known to be engaged in many shooting sports. Many of these men were killed along with a great deal of England's professional army during "The War to End All Wars". Their replacements were normally hastily trained and had very little practical experience with firearms.
By WW2 gun laws had been in effect for 18yrs that made it difficult and burdensome for many private citizens to own or gain experience with fire arms. Most of the WW2 troops in the english Army had no prior experience with firearms other than what the army had taught them. Even if they had been allowed the option of private weapons I doubt many would have taken advantage of it. Though I have seen quite a few pictures of troops carrying captured German weapons, like lugers, P38s, and Broomhandles.
Beside all the private purchase revolvers (rifles were never allowed except as hunting arms) during WW1 took the standard 455 caliber Webley amunition. And Most were simply more polished versions of the standard Webley service revolvers. Though I know of at least one officer who purchased a comercial 455 colt new service in 1915 before being sent to the front.
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Michaelson wrote:Maybe we need to change this post heading to one regarding a Webley discussion, as folks are going to miss out under it's current title. Regards. Michaelson
Yes British officers in ww1 did carry other .455 revolvers- but usually these where ISSUED instead of being bought. Some smith and wesson .455 revolvers where sent to Britain during ww1.
The webley and fosbery wasn't a favorite due to its unreliablity in bad conditions- thats where the mk6 webley didn't have any problem.
This is the whole point of standard equipment- i'm not saying some officers bought their own- but standard weapons are designed (especially british weapons) for reliability- as i say the fosbery was very unreliable. Accurate but unreliable. Thats why it was never standard but the mk5, mk6 and some colt and smith and wesson .455's where.
455 Mk4 or 380 Mk4? Both excelent guns. The 380 is probably the strongest 38S&W caliber gun made.
I recently bought a copy of the book Illistrated Encyclopeidia of Guns and it has a picture of a Mk4 380 barrel that was cut down the center. It had seven rounds of 380 FMJ ammo lodged in it, and the barrel was not even bulged. A 380 Colt Official Police was next to it and had burst its barrel after six rounds.
On another page is a picture of a Mk4 455 that had three chambers blown out. The top strop was completely gone and the center chamber was nonexistant. Still near as I could tell from the photo the Barrel catch was still in perfect shape.
I recently bought a copy of the book Illistrated Encyclopeidia of Guns and it has a picture of a Mk4 380 barrel that was cut down the center. It had seven rounds of 380 FMJ ammo lodged in it, and the barrel was not even bulged. A 380 Colt Official Police was next to it and had burst its barrel after six rounds.
On another page is a picture of a Mk4 455 that had three chambers blown out. The top strop was completely gone and the center chamber was nonexistant. Still near as I could tell from the photo the Barrel catch was still in perfect shape.