Possible origin of the bag strap found

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:43 am

German and I discussed this matter earlier and because I'm watching the Young Indy Chronicles now where a lot of weapons are shown I am now absolutley sure that the bag strap is really a shoulder strap for a rifle. It must be from a british rifle because of MBA and all the other stuff being british. I will investigate further and I will maybe ask Noel at the summit about it.

Regards,
Redbeard

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:06 am

Interesting idea and quite probable. I always thought it was a variation on the leather strap configuration forming the gunbelt/shoulder strap used as part of military uniform in the WWII period, but you could really be on to something there!

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:22 am

Have a look at this.

http://www.secondeguerre.net/Armes/fusilgras.jpg

This one is french but looks very close.
http://www.warrelics.com/WebPhotos/J007.jpg

German
http://www.rifleslings.com/german_kkw_t ... ling_1.jpg
http://www.rifleslings.com/hk_91-93_sling.jpg

Gater · Post by **Gater** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:04 am

Cool pics. Thanks for posting them. very interesting

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:21 am

A Rifle strap?? Sounds like a totally reasonable option to me.
'Blues

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:32 am

This link suggests that the Enfield rifle slings were 43 3/4 inches long by 1 1/4 inches:

http://www.rifleslings.com/british_slin ... w_page.htm

However, I like the theory and if we manage to dig one up that measures 65 inches by 1 inch, we could nail it.

This is probably a good way to start:
http://www.rifleslings.com/

After all, Noel doesn't seem to be all that certain about the origin of the bag:

Can someone cover the MKVII bags; which version was used in the films? I have no specifics on the bag and strap, we probably found a bag in our stock at Bermans and Nathans and adjusted it at the fitting. Noel Howard

Regards,
Swindiana

Sheffield Jones · Post by **Sheffield Jones** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:12 am

We know from TYIJC he was in the Belgian Army.
Check this out:http://www.rifleslings.com/belgium_fn49_sling.htm
I know its short but.check out that Buckle.

VP · Post by VP » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:05 am

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:49 am

VP, do you know the exact type of strap/ year of manufacture etc. in the picture above?

VP · Post by VP » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:53 am

No, I took it from the site Sheffield posted.

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:54 am

Ah, sorry - thought it was one of yours.

Looks close, doesn't it?

VP · Post by VP » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:57 am

Yep, but the buckle is a bit too squared.

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:49 am

Could somebody please post pictures of the original buckle which was used in the movies? I think we really may have found something here.

Regards,
Redbeard

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:08 pm

I've actually heard this theory once before, and YEARS ago, but it was never followed up on. Great work, redbeard and German! Looking forward to reading of your research progress! High regards. Michaelson

JAN · Post by **JAN** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:01 pm

Ha.. and just as we thought we knew everything

Great finding Redbeard and German :!:

Best regards

JAN

Kris · Post by **Kris** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:40 pm

Sheffield Jones wrote:We know from TYIJC he was in the Belgian Army.

Well, the funny thing is, the Belgian Army's uniform were kaki pants, kaki shirt (the indy type !), webbing belt, ..

I have a nearly complete indygear, just by getting one of those outfits!

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:51 pm

And in reality, Kris, yours is probably the most accurate!

Regards. Michaelson

Kris · Post by **Kris** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:09 pm

yay !

Pics can be found here

http://www.customdungeon.com/images/kris/indy3/
(don't mind the jacket/coat)

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:10 pm

Shoot fire, my friend, get a proper jacket, and as far as I'm concerned, you're good to go!!!!!

High regards. Michaelson

Kris · Post by **Kris** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:15 pm

Ok, this are the nicest words I even heard to me here on the COW

I will get a jacket somewere in the end.. maybea nylon or smthing

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:15 pm

Careful you don't burn down the patio there, Kris

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:16 pm

Great photos, aren't they?!

Kris, you may want to give consideration to the cloth Wested Raiders jacket. Good price...probably the same as what you'd pay for a pretend jacket, and made by the folks who made the real Indy jackets! Something to ponder....High regards. Michaelson

Kris · Post by **Kris** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:21 pm

I am considering it. Just I need more money

I was planning on actualy set fire to the torches, but they wouldn't work .. so I settled for a cartoony photoshop fire ..

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:32 pm

Nothing wrong with 'cartoony' torches, if you ask me.

Regards. Michaelson

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:07 pm

Michaelson, doesn't all that cinder get in your coffee? Or do you like the flavor of a dark roast?

Got Maul · Post by **Got Maul** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:35 am

oh wow ! great find ! Defintely more research is needed...square buckle, ridges along the edge...slim leather...defintely sounds to darn concidental to be not !

Shawnkara · Post by **Shawnkara** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:25 am

I've always had a theory on the buckle. It looks just like the buckle of a gunbelt suspender worn by state troopers and Canadian law enforcement. Come to think of it, reading this thred, I believe those straps were common on WWII era British dress uniforms. I've tried to find these straps, to no avail. I even asked a state trooper about them and he didn't know what I was talking about! I KNOW I've seen them wear these!

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:42 am

There have to be websites about it....perhaps somebody shoud contact What Price Glory or Sentimental Journey...

Redbeard

Got Maul · Post by **Got Maul** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:23 am

I would say that the only thing holding me back on this theory of the sling is the legnth...I am looking at some of these and NONE of them seem like 72 inches...we'll just have to and see. I have a G3 strap coming to me soon.

Got Maul · Post by **Got Maul** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:24 am

btw- I just made archaelogist wtih that post...I RULE ! Gone are the day of being a lab tech ! ( I actually was a lab tech for two years

in Gene Therapy)

Ace · Post by **Ace** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:19 am

Found this sling. Looks prety nice. I used to have one on my M75 when I was in the National Guard here in Denmark. I would like to get my hands one this one again.

http://www.tapco.com/product_informatio ... =&back=yes

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:36 am

Look at this price! With this price it's a winner in every case. Do you know the measures? Somebody in the state really should really check these babys out.

Regards
Redbeard

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:46 am

Heck, if it's wide enough, it might even be worth it for the buckle alone.

Maybe not long enough for me, but if it's 65" a lot of people will be happy.

Best regards,
Swindy

Ace · Post by **Ace** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:54 am

Yeah I think it will do the trick. If someone is about to order from them. Please contact me because im hooked on getting one, so maybe we can work something out.

I saw the same sling here in Denmark and the price was 76$, so it´s quite a deal as you can see for a real leather gun sling.

Ace · Post by **Ace** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:56 am

Sorry about all my typing mistakes

) It was "real leather sling" I was trying to write.

Hemingway Jones · Post by **Hemingway Jones** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:05 pm

Ace,
You can "Edit" your reply. The "Edit" button is on the top right. You can make any change you like after-the-fact.
-HJ

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:07 pm

They look pretty darn good. Too bad that you can't see the buckle a little better. I just ordered a small handfull of these, so I'll let you know when they arrive if they are any good. Ace, I will reserve one for you.
Besides Ace, anyone else want one?? I ordered 5 total, so it's first come, first serve.

'Blues

Ace · Post by **Ace** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:08 pm

Wooops, did not see that edit button. Thanks H. Jones

Ace · Post by **Ace** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:09 pm

Thanks Indy B.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:37 pm

IndyBlues wrote:They look pretty darn good. Too bad that you can't see the buckle a little better. I just ordered a small handfull of these, so I'll let you know when they arrive if they are any good. Ace, I will reserve one for you.
Besides Ace, anyone else want one?? I ordered 5 total, so it's first come, first serve.

'Blues

Yeah, I just ordered 5 as well...or 10, depending on what happened w/ that first order...oopsie...

Turns out their standard shipping is around $9, so it was hard to justify buying ONE for $2 and adding $9 shipping! So I picked up 5 just to spend more on the product than the shipping...oh, I think that's what my wife means by 'getting in touch w/ your feminine side'...I just rationalized buying FIVE of something I only wanted ONE of...

When I get them, I'll measure and post a pic. If anyone is interested, I'll probably keep two, and have 3 (or 8?) more on hand.

P.S. The guy on the phone (second try at ordering) assured me (yeah right) that they LOOK black in the pic, but they really are a dark brown. He couldn't vouch for the length. Ace, any guesses on the length?

IndianaJames · Post by **IndianaJames** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:01 am

You guys might be on to something, that strap is even set up like the original....Nice work!

I J

Ace · Post by **Ace** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:43 am

As I remember from my service time, The color is a very dark brown. mainly because of weapon oil, dirt ect. You could not have wested this strap better yourself.

As for the length: I remember when you extended the strap to about max the rifle can be hold vertical near your waist, Guess it will be no problem if its the same length as the one I had.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:49 am

AWESOME, Ace!

After all this time of folks trying to find long enough strips, if this IS it, to end up finding it was a thing already made to order...

...well, Michaelson mentioned someone had this good idea before - stands to reason the prop department wouldn't go to tandy and try to make something, they'd slap together something on hand.

Shame nobody hit paydirt before! Of course, if they did, these would be on ebay for $100 each, too...arf!

IndianaJames · Post by **IndianaJames** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:18 pm

http://www.rifleslings.com/german_h&k_91-93_sling.htm

I believe this is the sling in question. Unfortunately, every other site I have found that carries it, states the strap is 50"....bummer. Hopefully Im wrong and its at least 60" or so!

Regards
I J

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:46 pm

If it's short, I'll have several on hand, and will look at combining two. If I'm lucky I can do it somewhere that doesn't show.

J

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:46 am

Guys - I got mine! PICS of these straps here:

http://www.indygear.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=120558

J

German · Post by **German** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:35 pm

Hey Red,
I didn`t know what waves our talk about the Bag has iluminated.
Just great.
When I first saw my bag and its strap it brought me back to my paratrooper time in the Bundeswehr. not real, just a backflash

And I remembered the tons of kilograms I carried into the woods and over the hills.
OK back to the present!!!
I think I will search my military collection if Ican find one of my old straps. Can take a long time. The most of that stuff in in my parents house somehundred miles from me. Too bad. But not impossible

let`s see how it goes on wit this great posting.

Kind regards to all
The German