D-rings and slide buckles. Pros and cons

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:16 pm

Hi again everybody,
I just about have nailed down the wested I pland to order( ToD in horse) as I have decided that the LC collar may look too big on me. The only thing I have'nt decided is the hardware. Any opinions? The slide buckles look as though they will hold the straps more securely. I'm guilty of frequently adjusting my raiders goat and have noticed the d rings slip a bit. On the other hand the d rings don't have any moving parts to possibly break. I've never seen slide buckles in person. Are they pretty hefty. Any thoughts from people w/ slide buckles would be appreciated.

Walker.

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:30 pm

Well, the slides I have on my Wested lamb are of a one-piece variety. I haven't seen any of the two-piece type. I have D-rings on my goat, and altho I think they look so much better IMHO, I think the rectangular sliders are more functional, and less prone to slippage.
'Blues

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:37 pm

Hmmm... I don't know why but I always thought the slides looked like they had a moving part in the center of them. There are'nt different types are there?

Walker

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:13 pm

Just to interject with a quick aside - I have only ever ordered d-rings and find that they work best on the heavier leathers like cowhide (maybe horse too? Rob or another Wested horse owner would have to comment on this).

The finer leathers, such as lamb or goat, seem to be prone to slippage with the d-rings, which is perhaps why Ford (or the costume folks) doubled the leather back in some scenes - who knows, maybe they even stitched those things into position?

I imagine that the sliders would indeed be more effective on the thinner leathers.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:16 pm

I have experienced zero slippage with D rings on my horse.

Flattery · Post by **Flattery** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:36 pm

The D-rings on my lamb haven't slipped, although I do catch myself checking them daily...

Mr. Das · Post by **Mr. Das** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:18 pm

It might also depend on how often you touch them. If you keep adjusting them depending on how many layers you're wearing underneath, then it might become a bit loose over time from the constant nagging.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:28 pm

I have D rings on my lamb Wested and I haven't touched them since the day I got it. Well that sounded good but actually isn't 100% accurate, as I didn't even touch them on the day that I got it. I have in fact never moved them.

Maybe it is just because I am so slim, trim, and racey that I don't put much tension on that section of my jacket.

Flattery · Post by **Flattery** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:58 pm

Same here. I'm just obsessive compulsive about mine for some reason. 8-[

IndianaGuybrush · Post by **IndianaGuybrush** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:49 pm

Bufflehead Jones wrote: Maybe it is just because I am so slim, trim, and racey that I don't put much tension on that section of my jacket.

You're thinking of the racecars you used to drive old man. The only thing on you that is slim, trim and racey is your wallet. Slim and trim from the money you spend on gear and racey because of the speed at which it goes from your back pocket to your hand.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:03 am

I knew it was something like that.

Ghos7a55assin · Post by **Ghos7a55assin** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:26 am

i have rectangular sliders instead of d-rings on the cotton, and the cotton is so soft that the rectangles fall through eachother, which can be a pain sometimes, as you look behind you and the straps are just hanging there. I think the sliders or d-rings might have worked better, against Michaelson's advice.

ray

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:37 am

I got D-rings on my goat jacket sent back, though I opted for the rectangular ones. I have experienced no slipping at all. Then again, I use the very nifty and neat looking S and Z folds to make them stay and to hide the excess material of the straps.

Let us know what you get.

Regards,
Swindiana

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:47 am

The D rings on my cotton are pretty useless in keeping the side straps in place, and constantly slip. I'd LOVE to have your problems, Ray, as the rectangular sliders can be manipulated to hold the straps in place if tucked back through....this is common practice with the FS jacket that comes standard with those rectangular slides. That is done with the D rings as well on leather, but still won't hold on the cotton material. Believe me, you have the best of the two situations.

Regards. Michaelson

Ghos7a55assin · Post by **Ghos7a55assin** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:49 am

Haha, ok, so maybe I should appreciate my rectangle fasteners heh.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:53 am

Believe me, I would, and I've requested them to be installed on the past 3 jackets now owned by me and members of my family, and to date, no soap....and we're all enjoying strap slippage.

Regards. Michaelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:41 am

The D rings on my Wested goat work perfectly, however, I have to agree with Moe that they don't hold too well on the cotton. I have a U.S. Wings cotton Indy and the D rings seem more decorative than functional on that jacket.

Curly.

Flattery · Post by **Flattery** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:26 pm

I use the very nifty and neat looking S and Z folds to make them stay and to hide the excess material of the straps.

Is there an example of this? It's just not working out for me. I tend to overcomplicate the simplest of things.

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:33 pm

have a U.S. Wings cotton Indy and the D rings seem more decorative than functional on that jacket.

Try turning the d-rings around, so that instead of the rounded part
facing out, you will have the flat part facing out, and the rounded part
facing in. Or, in other words, rotate the d-rings around 180 degrees.

By doing this, the flat part of the d-ring will come in contact with the
outside of the straps, and it will hold better, and also it will give the
look of rectangular slides.

I have a US Wings Indy jacket, as well as a Wested Lambskin, and I
did this to both of them, and it holds the straps in nice and tight, and I
have not had to re-adjust them since, unless I want to.

Flathead

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:19 pm

Is there an example of this? It's just not working out for me. I tend to overcomplicate the simplest of things. eusa_wall.gif

When you have tightened your strap, just fold it back and let it go back through the same ring from which you last came, thus creating an S or Z shape to the leather depending on which side you're looking at... and from what direction.

Maybe someone has a pic of it?

Regards,
Swindiana

Flattery · Post by **Flattery** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:24 pm

Oh, okay. I think I did that before, but the way I have the straps adjusted, there isn't a whole lot of excess.

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:26 pm

Not for me either, really. Just enough to wedge it and keep them in place.

Regards,
Swindiana

Indiana Jess · Post by **Indiana Jess** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:31 pm

How difficult would it be to have the D-Rings or slide buckles changed to actual buckles on the side? I always thought that would be the best way to go on the side straps.

Flattery · Post by **Flattery** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:25 pm

Hmm...

That's an idea...

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:45 pm

Don't encourage Jess, Flattery. He'll just get the 'big head'.

Regards. Michaelson

Indiana Jess · Post by **Indiana Jess** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:49 pm

Michaelson wrote:Don't encourage Jess, Flattery. He'll just get the 'big head'. Regards. Michaelson

Then they'll never be able to tell us appart!

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Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:04 pm

The main site says this about a ToD custom order:

Pronged buckles in antique brass. For added screen accuracy, do not get eyelets placed in strap, as the film jacket only had holes in the leather for the buckle prongs

Would this indicate that they came with eyelets and buckles originally before, or did Yurik just want to make sure he got what he wanted?

Anyways, I don't see why it would be hard to put buckles there instead of D-rings in case you wanted them.

My 2 öre.

Regards,
Swindiana

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:13 pm

I think it's insane for the cotton to have side fasteners and actually pretend they might work. Cotton is just so profoundly wrong to do that with.

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:38 pm

Maybe it's best to just find the pefect spot for the side adjusters on the cotton jackets, and just sew a little velcro to both sides, so they "lock" in place where you want them. Home Depot has little strips of velcro that would be perfect, about the same size and length of the side straps.
Just an idea,

'Blues

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:42 pm

That would be a good solution, yes.

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:00 am

Indiana Jess wrote:How difficult would it be to have the D-Rings or slide buckles changed to actual buckles on the side? I always thought that would be the best way to go on the side straps.

And if Lucas would be nice enough to digitally replace them in ALL of the IJ films with the next release then they'd even be screen accurate...

...hey, stop throwing stuff!