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Not every company involved in the film received a product greenlight like Herbert Johnson or Hamilton Watches. For various reasons some are still not allowed to disclose involvement or offer detail. Interestingly Frost River announced their participation along with the release of the artifact editio...

A few things to keep in mind and consider. A number of stuntmen and crew who worked on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull purchased personal whips from David Morgan, Western Stage Props and Joe Strain during filming and brought them to set. Some of these whips were later sold as having a connection to the...

The placement of the knot was never exact, it always moved a little from whip to whip, even among the film whips. Sometimes it would be a bit higher, sometimes lower. Some vintage Morgan’s also had them noticeably lower than the 8” mark, but it became more of a norm around 2001-02, that’s when David...

Sometimes leather whips will develop a whiteish, powdery coating on the surface and in between the plaiting. A lot of people worry, thinking its mold, fungus or mildew and that their whips are damaged, or ruined, its actually just leather bloom/spew that occurs when the soap, fats and tallows from t...

Thank you all for the kind words and condolences, they are very much appreciated.

Dan

You are all entitled to your opinions on who makes the best whips or who doesn’t, but keep things civil and on topic. Hollowpond and Michaelson laid it out as clear as day. Indygear reserves the right to edit and delete posts as necessary, several of you made it necessary. We would appreciate if you...

Thanks :TOH: The whip sold today for £20,000 ($32,000), A bit lower compared to other Indy film whips but still well above the estimated value. The Grail Diary went for £18,750 ($30,000) and the Grail for £11,875 ($19,000). Regarding the knots on the fall, A number of the original trilogy film whips...

Correct :) Realistically the only way to really determine if a whip was used on screen is to match it to a screen capture from the film(s). I’ve gone though a lot of source material but unfortunately was unable to get a positive screen match on the Christies whip. The Blu-ray release has been helpfu...

Early in 2012 this 6ft David Morgan bullwhip reportedly used in Indiana Jones films resurfaced on the movie memorabilia collectors market. Several months ago I was brought by its current owner and Christie's Auction house to help identify/authenticate and re-establish it’s provenance in preparation ...

I do know that, which is why I didn't make any claims that it might be a different whip or he heard wrong about which whip was his. Plus it's obvious the one on the left has the new fall on it... Wait a sec, it looks like the whip on the left has the wrist loop lined up differently than in the firs...

Dawg, I’ll see if I can get ahold of him though email and let him your trying to get in touch with him.

Dan

There is nothing odd about it if you're used to seeing, handling and photographing David Morgan bullwhips. Nick I know you’ve had a few Morgan’s pass though your hands over the years, Jeremy to the best of my knowledge you haven’t but you should both know by now that whips can look different dependi...

Daren, I remember having this conversation with Adam while he was sitting on my couch changing out worn crackers/poppers on several of his stockwhips. The consensus was that especially in two handed whip cracking, or even precision whip work like target cutting were you’re working just the very tip ...

Yeah, I noticed that too; it’s probably a plaiting error in the overlay. Though not common, it happens and having seen similar errors on other Morgan’s, its certainly not out of the question. Something like that doesn’t really affect the way the whip performs though, so it wouldn’t have been conside...

“See you can tell by the cross sections!” This particular whip has been up for sale several times over the past few years via a couple different auction companies including Bonhams and Profiles in History. It may be an authentic Morgan; but there are numerous specifics not right about it when compar...

WildWhips, if you are familiar with the changing planes volley routine called the arrowhead? The old style four corners is a version of the Arrowhead preformed in the overhead plane with a 4th crack added in, the reverse crack in the fast figure eight to finish it and get the whip cacking at all fou...

The 6-plait points Joe finishes his bullwhips with are under 6mm, moving closer to 5mm. Maybe Daren can give you the specifics for comparisons. I don’t have one of Joes stock whips handy to take measurements of, but from what I do remember the point was bit narrower then on his bullwhips. Photos and...

Shane thats good, A clean technique is important but it’s also alot of fun to play around and see how extreme you can make it.

Ok, yeah I know Paul hasn’t had that problem. Since your pretty much doing the same thing he is, what exactly is the climate like in your area? I suspect it’s more a curiosity then actual problem to be concerned with but there must be some x-factor in the mix that’s causing it to happen with such co...

Riku, I’ve had some pretty well respected, professional whip makers tell me straight forward that that’s one of the reason they prefer to finish their whips in an 8 strand point. That it allows them to taper it down to a much finer point. It’s also fairly common for said whip makers to take the stra...

Daren, I’ll back up what Chris said, the Tasmanian Cutback and a behind the back crack are essentially the same. There are just slight variations in the way different people do them based on how they learned it, or from whom they learned it from. The reason some lean slightly forward (aside from see...

Joe always does great work. :tup:. Daren, most experienced & knowledgeable whip makers will take an 8-plait thong all the way down to the point (especially with shorter whips and finer performance whips) That way they don’t have to drop strands, so not only does it make for a seamless/smooth ove...

Not sure Riku, I can't say i've ever heard of other whip makers having that problem and nor do I recall ever getting a new whip in that condition. I’d suspect it's something your doing differently that’s causing it. Could it be the plaiting soap formula you are using? An ingredient your using? How y...

From the sound of it, it’s probably leather spew/bloom. I’ve touched on this here in the past but sometimes leather, whips included will develop a white powdery coating on them (or just in select spots), it can look like heavy dust, snowflake patterns, or just develop between the plaiting and tends ...

Riku, check with Paul for exact measurements on the Henderson points. I don’t own the whips, so I’m not comfortable giving out those kind of specifics. For comparison though, the Mike Murphy whips I’m looking at now taper down to around 4.2 – 4.5 mm just below the fall hitch. That’s on both his stoc...

Thanks Aldo, glad you’re finding the conversation interesting. :TOH: Ben, I’ve seen the extra footage. It says a lot that Douglas Fairbanks took the time and effort to actually become proficient with the whip for his role. Fairbanks was trained by Rex “Snowy” Baker who was an interesting character i...

Ben, I’m probably setting a bad example as a moderator for letting this thread go so far off the original topic :lol: but I get carried away when talking whips. Especially with those who understand them in greater detail and who can appreciate the history behind them and workmanship involved in maki...

Ben, if I ever order a whip from you it would likely be an Australian model :TOH:. I’d agree, in my opinion a lighter whip; providing it has a good balance/action is a better suited, more comfortable choice for multiple cracking. I’ve been trying to track down the original Don Q stockwhips for years...

No problem, Paul and I have been comparing notes on Henderson & his whips for years, it’s a big part of how we first struck up a friendship. He and John documented and photographed this collection pretty extensively, but these were a couple of the candid shots taken with my camera. The one I’m h...

Congratulations on your new whip Nebraska. It looks like it turned out very well. I’m glad I was able to play a small part in helping kindle your interest in whips & whip cracking. Enjoy!

Best.

Dan

Looks good Ben, beautiful taper, very clean plaiting and I like the detailed work done on the handle. It’s been a few years since I’ve seen one of your whips in person, it was an Indy style; I liked it. Here’s a couple quick photos I think you’ll appreciate, http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4189/dsc...

Glad to be able to offer some additional insight. Tomek, the more closely you look at the Indy film whips or even just at Morgan whips in general (especially older ones) close up, you'll notice that they can sometimes be a lil bit weird. I don’t think its any secret that these whip were never meant ...

Ben, I’ve been fortunate to see several of the film used Indy whips in person and a number of others in confidential photos from owners & collectors, etc. that unfortunately I don’t have permission to repost. What I’ve found is that taper seen in the handle, has more to do with the way the indiv...

Another excellent example of Joes work, they look like they handle beautifully. Of course credit also goes to the person cracking them, Good work Todd!

Look forward to trying these out sometime.

Dan

Great video, especially liked the two handed combinations towards the end... For beginners who want to try this at home though I’d recommend a bit more protective covering for your own sake, not that I’m complaining

Dan

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Congratulations Paul & Lauren, I know how hard you two worked on this project and it really paid off. You guys did an incredible job, the episode was informative, enjoyable and the whips looked great! I’m especially partial to that 12-plait target bullwhip you where working on, the one featured ...

Joe Strain has been in contact with me regarding this situation. Before everyone jumps to vilify him, please keep in mind there are two sides of the story. While he prefers not to draw this dispute out in a public forum setting, he is sharing information with me, including his correspondence with Wa...

Wade, Thank you for bringing this to our attention on Club Obi-Wan. I sympathize with your situation. While copying of, or “re-casting” others original work is strictly frowned upon here, given that the design of this product plays directly off the film/screen used whip holster, (basically been leng...

Anthony’s techniques utilize the "natural flow / loop" of the whip. He just prefers the loop to form on top, early on as the whip extends out. He is still working the whip with in its natural bend, just that this technique offers more efficient control while working the tip of the whip and...

I've been watching this thread for awhile now and it is with deep regret that I see this type of thing seems to have happened again. In the past ten years this has occurred twice to my knowledge, the first time with Matt Welsby,I think you would remember him Dan, and the second time with a whip mak...

I’ve never had any problems with James. He’s been a member here in good standings since 2006 and I’ve known him off the forum for the last couple years. He’s been to my home on a numerous occasions to crack whips, discuss whip making and show me his work. I own one of his earlier nylon bullwhips; wh...

Daren, I'll do what I can on this end. If a whip maker is at that point that they feel they can sell whips and take orders & payment for work then not only should that work be of sufficient quality but they should also be able to keep up good business practices and get orders out in a reasonably...

That said, perhaps the moderators have some muscle they could exercise here? Dan? What can be done if this goes on much longer and more people with outstanding orders are left out to dry? Daren if you wish to submit an official complaint we can send him a warning. Realistically what we can do if he...

Adam, I enjoyed the new video. It looks like you had a good trip to India. I’m 5’7”, most of the time I’m working with 5.5ft stock whips. I tend to prefer them on the lighter side with just a slight spring to the handle. I’ve found 6ft thongs a tad longer then I like to use, at least for 2 handed ro...

Based on my experiences, I’d tend to agree with Adam's take on this. I’ve heard some of the Australian whip makers and competitors equate the best length for a stock whip thong in competition work and routines to be roughly equivalent to the height of the user. That seems to work fairly well with st...

Daren, Message sent.

Hi TRex, Welcome to Club Obi-Wan. It sounds like you’re in the right place :TOH: There are a number of whip cracking enthusiasts in L.A. and throughout Southern California in general; many are members here and will be attending the Queen Mary Summit in Long Beach next month. I know at least a few of...

The Annual Indy Gear: Queen Mary Summit in Long Beach California is quickly approaching (November 11-14). This year, many of the activities revolve heavily around whip cracking. As such, the organizers of the event would like to know if any of our whip vendors and/or whip makers would be interested ...

No apologies or quarter given but thanx for the note Dan. That’s your prerogative, but a non-tolerant, pretentious attitude does more harm to the betterment and legitimacy of whip cracking then any $75 jrzjoe prop whip ever will. Not only is your stance disappointing; it’s uncalled for and out of l...

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