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that_dog

Nice jacket, CRB.

that_dog

In my experience, the sleeves on a G&B are too short (including long sizes) and the shoulders are too wide. If you have long arms, the Expedition is probably not for you. (I wear an off-the-rack 40L in jackets and a 35" sleeve in dress shirts, and both of my Expo 40Ls had sleeves that were ...

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So is Riley closing up shop or no?

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I don't believe I've ever heard of the military issuing Schott jackets. Not saying it definitely didn't happen, but caveat emptor....

that_dog

I've owned a couple of G&Bs and in my experience they are wide in the shoulder and short in the sleeve by about an inch or so. (And this was in "tall" sizing.)

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The Navy never used any such jacket -- it's made up. Most frequently you see it advertised as a "G-8." USN jackets in the 30s were more likely to be the 37J1 (see one recently sold here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=130466361550&si=Qjbxh...

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I'll likely end up doing that. Can anyone here comment on quality comparisons -- in terms of durability of both the leather and how it's all put together -- among the various major jacket sources? Anyone had any particular problems with this or that type of leather or this or that jacket-maker's of...

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Buzz Rickson stuff is pretty good... I just got one of their 1950s USN chambray shirts and I love it to pieces. The prices on their leather jackets are OTT, though, especially when you can get a custom Good Wear with NOS hardware for about $500 less. (I paid $1200 for my custom GW Bronco in horsehid...

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Ever heard of these guys: http://www.noble-house.eu/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/29/products_id/50 Not liking what I see. The leather looks too thin. The knits are way off. Pockets are wrong shape and size (too big). They look like they may have handwarmers behind them -- a definite no-no for a v...

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Michaelson wrote:Is he still accepting orders?

Regards! Michaelson

And if so, is there a deadline by which they must be placed?

that_dog

To the best of my knowledge, no vendor has announced a closure while both inviting a last spate of orders and jacking up prices, only to change course a few weeks later. I don't know Riley and won't pretend to know his motives or thought process, but from a purely objective standpoint it looks odd, ...

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"I won't shut down when people are still buying jackets" is completely contrary to the announced closure of the business. Imagine Ford announcing that it will be closing its doors when people stop ordering cars. Or Boeing when people stop ordering airplanes. Or Microsoft when people stop o...

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Following up a bit... Of course, not everyone can afford a GW jacket. They are individually custom made by one guy out of top quality materials and are constructed with an eye toward detail and quality. That doesn't come cheap. If you want an A-2 but can't afford a GW, take into consideration the fo...

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Good Wear Leather in Seattle, hands down. John Chapman is the owner/operator, and he is turning out the most stunning A-2s you can find. He just introduced a repro of the very first A-2 contract by Security Aviation Togs... you will not find a better jacket, period.

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Thanks for taking the time to clear the air, and to have the auction pulled. Good name in man and woman, dear my lord, Is the immediate jewel of their souls: Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing; 'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands: But he that filches from me ...

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The plot thickens... Here is a question I sent the seller: Nice looking jacket. Can you please describe what you mean by "Tony's embroidery"? Is there anything stitched inside the jacket? Are there any photos of the inside pocket area and lining? Thanks. Here is the seller's response, word...

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That's just it... there's no way the jacket in the auction was worn in the photo shoot. It's a TN Raiders in shrunken lamb... such a jacket did not exist until well after KotCS came out in May of 2008. (The VF issue itself was published in January of 2008.) Edited to add: News of a TN Raiders clone ...

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This auction has fraud written all over it.... I seriously doubt any of the jackets HF wore had TNO labels sewn in at the neck. The reference in the listing to an "I.J.1" jacket and "Tony's embroidery" leads me to conclude that the jacket is numbered and/or personalized in the li...

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The best flight jacket forum I've seen is http://www.vintageleatherjackets.org/index.php . Also, on the A-2 front, John Chapman at Good Wear has just come out with a repro of the Holy Grail of A-2s... the very first A-2 contract by Security Aviation Togs. Until now the only available repro of this j...

that_dog

How about a young Michelle Pfeiffer in Ladyhawke?

that_dog

All of the emails Tony sent me were in ALLCAPS. He probably composed the posts himself and just emailed them to whoever was posting for him.

that_dog

Also I missed that this was a B-25 sqdn, my favorite plane! My goal is to find a period photo or jacket from a B-25 sqdn that matches the look I want, and then copy that. Check out the links here... photos of all of the Doolittle Raiders crews, in their A-2s. You can't find more iconic B-25 flyers ...

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On Weston's jackets, yes, maybe 1/8" difference. On other jackets the difference is much greater. Compare some of the USW shots to the G&B and TN jackets. Some of the USW stands are two to three times as wide! Edited to add: I just checked my TN Raiders... the collar stand is approx. 3/4&qu...

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I had long sizes, and the sleeves were still too short.

But the G&B lamb is very nice leather... looks good and drapes well. If it weren't for the sleeves being too short and draping funny (as discussed in an old thread) I certainly would have kept it.

that_dog

One of the reasons I got rid of my Expeditions is the short sleeves. They are just not cut for the long-armed among us.

that_dog

The G&B goat is near indestructible -- almost too much so for my taste. I owned one for a few years and it didn't look much different when I sold it from when I first bought it.

Were I to be dragged behind a truck while wearing an Indy jacket, the G&B goat is what I'd want, no question.

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Indiana Holt wrote:
that_dog wrote:Which collar stand, Holt? The USW or the A-2 I posted?

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the A-2.

Good to know, thanks. I think the narrow collar stand is clearly more "screen accurate" (if that phrase has any meaning anymore

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that_dog

Now let's examine hanger types... note the difference between the USW and TN LC/CS "loop" style and the G&B and TN Raiders "strap" style (as is typical for vintage A-2s). Which is "screen accurate"?

that_dog

Michaelson wrote:Weird. That's something I never paid a whole lot of attention to all these years.

Regards! Michaelson

If I can get the "knower of things" to take a fresh look at something I know I've made a small but indelible mark here at COW. I can retire from posting in peace.

that_dog

Yes... two different Wings offerings... both with the same collar stand construction. The point is, why is Wings making the collars like this? Look more closely at the first pic. The collar stand reaches the end of the storm flap. The US Wings standard design is more like the Last Crusade (and now,...

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Thanks Michaelson, food for thought. But I think it's pretty clear that for a true Raiders clone, a narrow collar stand is in order. Both offerings copied from actual Raiders jackets (TN and G&B) have the narrow stand. Anyway, sorry to derail the thread... I'm interested in some of the details o...

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Which collar stand, Holt? The USW or the A-2 I posted? Can anyone post a shot of a non-USW collar stand that is comparable in size to the USW version? Edited to add these shots... not the best for looking at the collar stands, but you get a sense of proportion. The TN and G&B both have narrow co...

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Here is a shot of a typical A-2 collar stand. (A new Good Wear Dubow 20960, in case anyone was wondering.) This is about the width of the collar stands on my prior Wested, G&Bs, and current Nowak. http://www.goodwearleather.com/photos/Dubow20960_09_sz46/collar_base1.jpg The USW are 2-3 times as ...

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I think they have always been like that. The first one I bought was in 04 or 05, and it has that stepped down collar stand. Why they've done it that way I have no idea, but it's been that way for a long time. This new offering is different, more like what your used to seeing from other vendors, or ...

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Indydawg wrote:Yeah, KB-THAT jacket "that-dog" has posted as pictured there is, in fact, the New Zealand lamb Hero pattern..good call!

Regards!
Indydawg

Yes... two different Wings offerings... both with the same collar stand construction. The point is, why is Wings making the collars like this?

that_dog

Anyone else struck by how wide the USW collar stands are? Not just here on the striated lamb, but on all the recent USW jackets I've seen posted. It's kind of strange design detail to me. I'll have to check the stand on my TN to see how it compares, but I'm pretty sure it's significantly narrower. J...

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Getting old *****... But it beats the alternative. Good luck with the surgery. I'd like to again express my condolences to the Nowak family for the passing of Tony and the closing of the business. I have a TN Raiders in 747 cowhide and it is easily the best Indy jacket I've owned. I'm sorry I won't...

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Hahaha, glad to be of "help." :twisted: I love the true vintage-looking A-2s and am always glad to help spread the sickness. _ and Derf, you will have to share photos of your jackets when you get them. _, if you want a NOS Talon, you should be able to get a 1939 or 1942 model through MASH:...

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_ wrote:I'm a big proponent of free!

Don't tell your clients!

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Shots of the jacket being worn taken this afternoon.... the fit is perfect. Again, John Chapman is an A-2 genius. http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/SuinBruin/Good%20Wear%20Bronco%202010/straightunzipped.jpg http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/SuinBruin/Good%20Wear%20Bronco%202010/akimbounzip...

that_dog

Slight correction: Bronco does not have a collar stand. Personally, I do not like collar stands. They cause the collar to sit higher up, which I find less comfortable. They also tend to spread out more; I think this is why some refer to the RW collar as a "clown" collar. It can look pretty...

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2 weeks on the Kamchatka peninsula in late September-early October 2011 should provide me an opportunity to see some of the world's largest brown bears... from a safe distance, I hope. :Plymouth: Seriously? Oh, man... That is a dream trip for me. I spent a few days there back in 1985. I love Alaska...

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2 weeks on the Kamchatka peninsula in late September-early October 2011 should provide me an opportunity to see some of the world's largest brown bears... from a safe distance, I hope.

that_dog

Congratulations, and my condolences to your wallet. :TOH: The Dubow and RW are both great patterns; I was set on a Dubow 27798 in seal horse before my love for the Bronco pattern kicked into overdrive and I decided to get a second one. The Dubow may very well be my next GW, in a couple of years.... ...

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Brits in A-2s, training stateside....

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_ wrote:Now if I could just locate an Urban Sombrero...

The horror... the horror....

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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mbCtanRrpLQ/SgCalzz2NMI/AAAAAAAACqI/Xu-3OgGK8L4/s400/peterman.jpg "Elaine, did I ever tell you about the time I spent the night on the summit of Kilimanjaro with nothing but a pack of chewing gum and my classic horseman's duster?" http://www.jpeterman.com/Mens-Ou...

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Here's an authentic wartime A-2 pic that I got from Dave Marshall. Talk about quality control. :Dietrich: http://images22.fotki.com/v821/photos/4/42201/3979075/A2badcollar-vi.jpg Most people know that during the war, A-2's were all over the place. This is a prime example of one that was at the &quo...

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It's here, and it's awesome. I'll try to get some pics up over the weekend.

John Chapman is a genius with the A-2. That's all I can say.

that_dog

I am extremely gratified by the response to the jacket, and very happy to spread the Good Wear gospel. John Chapman is a topnotch craftsman and a great guy, so I am glad to help him succeed in whatever small way I can. Of course, I'm probably upping the wait time for my next Good Wear order, and who...

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