Club Obi Wan

rjallen70

Yep...
me too.
I am always curious as to other's methods. I bought yours too Louie A+ BTW

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Steve's e-book is a great start...after you made a couple, I am sure he would advise you further going to the next level.
Ron

rjallen70

This could do the trick
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/6 ... erralID=NA

rjallen70

What I use
http://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/m ... thread-138

rjallen70

Here is the short list of experienced pros in the U.S. All can do Indy's fine. http://www.cowwhips.com http://www.neawhips.com http://www.21stcenturywhips.com http://www.nylonwhips.com http://www.classicbullwhips.com Indiana Hall (Chris Hall) makes a heck of a nylon Indy too...but no website. P.M. h...

rjallen70

Here are a pair of Chicago BULLSwhips by Rhett Kelley...
So you can see how the Blk/red looks together.

rjallen70

yep normal.
don't try to force it.
R

rjallen70

Demand for Australian leather has dropped to an all-time low as worldwide consumers cut back on luxury items.

Since mid-September, farmers have seen the price for a medium-weight hide fall from A$35 ($24.3) to a low of A$9.

rjallen70

pm sent.

rjallen70

Adam, I don't do that, but I do wet the handle/transition and knots and dry before sending them out. That way they start as stiff as they are ever going to be, and break in normally.
Ron

rjallen70

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=39813

rjallen70

Don't forget the waist wrap at the end of TOD.
Ron

rjallen70

Your only choices for the durability you seek is Latigo or redhide.
Oil tan, veg kip etc are less tough than roo.
Ron

rjallen70

http://www.halloweencostumes.com/acc-ac ... jones.html

rjallen70

Sounds like you need the whip basics series.
I couldn't teach my son to save my life...and I make whips.
Robby Amper had him doing all the basic cracks in about 2 hours (which is why I now sell them).
Available from midwestwhips.com
cowwhips.com
and from ME! http://www.nylonwhips.com

rjallen70

No mention of a plaited belly usually means there isn't one. Aussies refer to this type of whip as a toughy. Looks ok but is not tough on anything but the customer. No guts...no good. He does provide a phone #...so you could always ask (interrogate) him. Avoid catch phrases like "just as good&q...

rjallen70

The problem is there are very few cowhide whips that are constructed as well as roo whips. It really comes down to the maker more than material. Either material can be equal with equal construction practices. It is just rare to find an exceptionally made cowhide whip. There are dozens of roohide whi...

rjallen70

rjallen70, I am just basing hide prices off of what David sells them for. Right now, the cheapest hide is $123 and his most expensive one is $212.50. I realize that there is some profit in there as well, but just the supplies for the whip are there. Mike You can get 1st grade hides from Paul & ...

rjallen70

Nice Job...
The different color handle can be a bit tricky. You hid the join very well with a nice TH.
Ron

rjallen70

I thought the 10-footers had been at that price for a few years now. I remember after I got mine, there was an increase and I want to say it was in the $900 range. I still think it is funny to hear people comment on the cost of a whip, especially David's. Hides aren't cheap, there's a lot of time i...

rjallen70

While we are at it, here are a few of my favorite makers in no particular order
Russel Shultz
IND-8 8ft $475
IND-10 10ft $570

Bernie Wojcicki
8FT $410.00
10FT $480.00

rjallen70

I don't mean to speak out of turn, but it is probably the binding.

rjallen70

Supply and Demand.
Gotta love the Free Market Economy.
Ron

rjallen70

Stiffness depends on the tightness of the plaiting and the binding.
I am a binder, and my whips are very stiff for the first couple feet.

And Ryan,
when it comes to whips most things worth doing takes time.
Ron

rjallen70

bb's go into 550. One by one.

rjallen70

yep 16 plait. Anything 8 ft and up.
Ron

rjallen70

yes.
Make a 6 ft 12 plait whip and build your 8 fter on top of it.
Ron

rjallen70

leave one or 2 core strands in under the 4 plait..

rjallen70

Will...
Tell me more about the whip you are trying to build.
I just went back and re-read. For 12 plt end with a single strand core and 4 plait.
12 plt is only good to about 6-6.5 feet. You can stretch it to 7.
Ron

rjallen70

That is really a neat question, I have always wondered about keeping them in a glass tiered display case. Seems like it would keep the dust off the whips , but I guess not as much as a heavy duty zipper case such as Bernardo's or Robby's types. Crack On! :whip: Allen Dust never has time to get on m...

rjallen70

Dont take it all the way.
Stop it a few feet from the end, or your taper wont be right. Twist up the ends on your core and floppiness is gone.
Ron

rjallen70

No worries.

I have been fooling around with some cable lately on the 12 plaiters, but still shot load for the most part.
Ron

rjallen70

either one will work.
BB's use a single strand. Chain use 3.
Forget the vet wrap. It is too spongy and will not work to stiffen the the transition. Stick with e-tape or duct. Vetwrap is good for fleshing out a whip but will make the lil 12 plaiter too thick.

rjallen70

it is barely short...round up and you will be fine.
Ron

rjallen70

Yes...there is a difference. 550 is finer and thinner than 650...even though it is stronger. Ron The widths are close enough that your calcs wont change...but if you mix the 2 together it will show badly in your work. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/detachableankles/IMG_1244.jpg 550 left 650 ...

rjallen70

I agree with Lauren's assumption as to why there are curves in new and old whips...but if Terry Jacka says his come off the bench without a curve, I am inclined to believe him. There are quite a few Aussies that probably know a thing or 2 about whipmaking that has never been shared with the world.
R

rjallen70

Perhaps it is better to say that a perfectly made Terry Jacka whip will have no natural curve. :) I think any leather whip forced into a coil will develop this. But when made brand new, I can see a curve being considered a flaw by Mr. Jacka. Heck DeLongis uses those whips almost exclusively and he t...

rjallen70

I was watching that one myself...great deal on that beauty.
Also a 54 plait EM-Brand just recently closed at $622!

Ron

rjallen70

I'll second the recommendation on both of those books, but nothing is as good as Bernie's DVD. The techniques translate much better in video. Drop the $100...it'll save you a $1000 in trial and error.

Ron

rjallen70

Unless the leather whip was for example a Skip SanSoucie.

rjallen70

Buy his DVD.
Everything is covered.

rjallen70

That King buckskin does look pretty good...Does he still make those?
We have some of his nylons around here in the various tack shops (the guy must be some kind of a machine). I suspect that they are bought primarily by the tourists. As every cow town has there own go to guy(s).
Ron

rjallen70

Congrats!
Be careful though!...crack can be addictive.
Next thing you know you'll be selling plasma to fund a Jacka!
Ron

rjallen70

Buckskin...like this one? http://loxahatcheewhips.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/s43003502.jpg?w=470&h=352 http://loxahatcheewhips.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/s43003491.jpg?w=470&h=352 Performance is not even in the same ballpark. Not even the same sport. I love this whip...but modern nylon whi...

rjallen70

As a maker of nylon whips I agree with BWB. An equally made roo whip is slightly better performing whip than nylon. I would say that a well made nylon whip will out perform any leather whip in it's price range. I do disagree in one assessment though. "the majority of whip handlers ranging from ...

rjallen70

"I don't know if switching how I say it improved my whips at all."
LOL...sure it did!
BTW Ron Edwards says "Platt" too.
If ya ask me A "plate" is something you eat off of, and to "plate" something it must be metal.
Ron

rjallen70

search is your friend.
You will find they are pretty well received.
Ron

rjallen70

Thanks Bernardo... email sent
I am particularly fond of those woody bulls.
Ron

rjallen70

Nice bag!
Now...tell us about all those beautiful whips that are in it!
Ron

rjallen70

Whip basics Vol 1.
Covers all the cracks in the film in great detail.
Ron
http://www.nylonwhips.com/Accessories.html

rjallen70

I'm a Platt man.
Of course I am an unreconstructed Southerner.
Ron

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